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I just don't know how to do this for the next 6 months

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Therollinghills · 20/12/2023 12:26

This is very long so thank you if you read all of it!
Partner and I are separating, we have one DD who is 3. We own our house jointly. A few years ago we moved 200 miles away from our families because the area we're from is very expensive.
I now only have my mum in the UK, she is planning to move to live near me next year though.
I am waiting for probate from an inheritance to be able to buy my own place. We have agreed that at least initially I will have custody of DD but she will see her dad lots I hope. I had thought it would be nice if he popped round, we went out all together etc but I am living an absolute pipe dream thinking things will be any better once we're apart.
My ex has always been emotionally abusive, he cannot tolerate any form of request on him or perceived criticism and becomes aggressive, shouting and calling me names if I don't immediately back off. I cannot discuss anything with him, he just won't engage and will walk off or resort to shouting. This can be simple things like asking him to turn the lights off after himself, or reminding him to brush DD hair. He has a shocking memory so I feel like I have to remind him of things because I never know what he's managed to retain. He takes almost zero of the mental load. If I try to point out how much I'm doing he sneers at me that booking a dentist appointment isn't fucking difficult, for example. He refuses to try to understand how I'm feeling. He does a reasonable amount of housework but will only do tasks that have been allocated to him or that I ask him to do, he won't do anything extra whatsoever which means anything else falls to me.
For years I have tried to make things work between us because he's always told me that how he behaves is my fault, I don't approach things with him correctly but no matter how I try it always ends the same. He will never apologise for anything and won't discuss things after an argument so I have a lot of built up resentment towards him because Im not allowed to voice when he's hurt me or say how I feel and be heard. Over the years I have come to realise that how he behaves is not my fault and he has been gaslighting me for years. He will make me feel guilty for example if I'm ill and he needs to miss his hobby, sometimes he will decide I'm not ill enough for him to stay home and tear into me about how I'm making it up because I'm horrible. I feel like no matter what I say he will manipulate things so that he gets what he wants, then he will shout at me that I'm the one that always gets my own way. Whatever I accuse him of doing, he will say he feels the exact same way about me. If I ask for examples, he will shout at me and create a row to avoid the topic or say there are too many to pick one.
I'm really pleased I've finally managed to decide on separation but living with him is absolute hell. He is starting to behave quite nastily towards DD, he will do things that upset her then refuse to apologise because reasons, he is unkind to her at bedtime, raising his voice and saying things like 'SHUT YOUR EYES.STOP TALKING.PUT YOUR TOY DOWN. LIE STILL.' this is immediately after putting her down, he expects her to switch off immediately with no wind down time, he doesn't want to read to her and is totally incapable of being soothing or calming. Every night she asks for him and every night I sit on the sofa incredibly anxious because I know it's going to end in shouting. Usually he will take DD soft toys away and throw them on the landing as punishment for not settling down, she gets distraught and calls for me, he shouts at her, I go up and he shouts at me to go away, he's dealing with it etc. he then strops off shouting that it's my fault for coming upstairs and I'm left to comfort DD who will often tell me daddy is mean. I know this may sound like he is being firm and putting in boundaries but because I know what he's like, I worry that it will escalate and he will treat her like he treats me when I don't behave how he wants. I don't feel like he treats her like a toddler, he uses words like 'comply' and 'appropriate behaviour ' which she isn't going to understand.
Last night I tried to broach this with him. I asked him if we could talk about how we manage bedtime as I don't feel what he is doing is working and it's actually making things worse. He has told me several times before he can't cope with DD at bedtime. This resulted in him shouting at me that I'm a fucking horrible cunt and I'm not perfect myself, and he's not discussing it with me any further, it doesn't need to be talked about.
I just don't know what to do. I try really hard to start a rational calm conversation with him but he never responds in the same way. I feel really desperate for a way out away from him because he makes me feel so shit and scared but we have to sell the house first and I don't have anywhere else to go other than back to my mum's but I don't want to uproot poor DD yet again, I have a job here etc. I don't know what to do for the best, and when things are really bad I honestly feel like the only way out is to kill myself although I would never want to leave DD.
I've tried grey rocking him but it's a horrible atmosphere and ultimately with a DD and living together we have to talk about issues. How the hell am I going to co parent with him when he won't discuss anything without being abusive. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through the next few months? I don't have any support in real life other than a couple of friends.

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TheFlis · 20/12/2023 12:36

Can you rent for 6 months? That’s a vile, abusive environment for your poor daughter.

Therollinghills · 20/12/2023 12:39

@TheFlis I know, it's horrible and I feel so guilty about it. She loves her dad but generally prefers me, and I know she'll be heartbroken when we don't all live together anymore. But how he behaves just isn't right. I can't afford to rent, house prices are pretty low here but rent quite high, higher than I could manage. I have asked ex to leave but he flatly refuses.

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dreamingbohemian · 20/12/2023 12:50

He is abusing your daughter. You need to set aside that 'she loves him', she's 3 and doesn't understand. You can't just watch her be abused daily for 6 months so I would go live with your mum, yes it is a big upheaval but she is so young that doesn't matter. Start looking for a new job for yourself.

I would also get in touch with Women's Aid or some organisation that can advise you on legal aspects as he may try to keep you from moving far away but hopefully there is some way to counter this on the grounds of his abuse.

Therollinghills · 20/12/2023 12:56

Thanks @dreamingbohemian I know that deep down and I hate it, but he's so adamant that he's doing nothing wrong it's really hard not to doubt myself and then when I see her happy with him it gets harder. I have spoken to women's aid before about him and went to have an appointment but as I'm a home owner and not at imminent risk they just advised I separate as soon as possible. The way he's started to be with DD is what has finally made my decision to leave.

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dreamingbohemian · 20/12/2023 13:03

If it helps, my parents split when I was that age and I don't remember any of it, I don't remember living with my dad or whether I was sad when we left, so however upset your daughter might be right now, it will probably not have a lasting impact. Compared to his abuse, which will definitely harm her. So you are doing the right thing! I would talk to women's aid again about any potential issues with moving away from your current town, whether he could stop you.

Therollinghills · 20/12/2023 13:12

Thank you, the worst thing is thinking of my poor DD and how I wish we didn't have to be in this situation but I don't want her to grow up thinking this is normal which it seems she already does. My dad died when I was 1 which despite not remembering , has really affected me my whole life so I feel really strongly about the effect on DD of all of this, perhaps overly so.
I don't think he would stop me moving, he doesn't want to care for DD any more than he does now and certainly not full time. I'd move back once my finances were sorted and house sold too.

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Bluela18 · 20/12/2023 16:03

Such a hard situation to be in . You sound a really lovely wife and mummy , such a shame he has to be this way. I know you see your child happy then you feel guilty but you don't know what this toxic environment is doing to her. She will be picking up your unhappiness, the unhappiness between both of you and the general aggressive environment. Of course he will put it on you and make out he's not in the wrong. He sounds like very narcissistic and you and your daughter are in an abusive and toxic environment. If you can somehow safely leave without waiting 6 months. Also , I'd try get a record of such abusive?? If he starts having arrangements in place to see her, will this be safe?

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