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Relationship advice: husband trying to support wife

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Toulouse20 · 17/12/2023 16:19

I'd be interested to see what the users of Mumsnet think of our families situation.

My wife and I have been married for just over a year now. We have a 2 and half year old child. Our relationships started around 3 years ago and, as you can see, progressed very quickly.
We are both sensible, responsible people (at least at face value). We have respectable jobs that demand responsibility. We are university educated and come from seemingly decent families in many respects.
We met at work and quickly fell for each other. I asked her out for a date and mutual interest in one another followed quickly.
It came to light that my wife's mother was terminally ill and passed away a few months after we met. Despite this my wife spoke very openly about wanting a husband and family as soon as possible. I've always wanted similar and loved the idea of settling with someone. I decided to allow myself to go with my heart rather than my head.
Our relationship rapidly escalated and resulted in an unexpected pregnancy very early on in our partnership. This was related to the fact that my wife was unwilling to use contraception due to her religious beliefs.
Our first year with our child proved challenging and involved us finding a place to live together, juggling work responsibilities, financial pressures, lack of family support (especially as wife's family mostly abroad), childcare logisitics. We survived it and managed to organise a wedding as well - we were under some pressure to do so given wife's religious beliefs.
We've subsequently worked hard to gain some stability. Both our careers have progressed allowing a better work-life balance, we have plans to buy our first place and have managed to protect our daughter from most of the turmoil (good nursery, play groups, toddler friends, family trips etc.). This has been the main driving force for me.

The darker side to all of this is that truthfully we are in an abusive relationship. All of the above has been peppered with terrible fights that range from verbal abuse through to being physical. At my worst I lashed out at her with an open hand (after being shouted at, locked in the house and pushed and slapped for a couple of hours). It scared me and it's caused a lot of confusion. I feel ashamed and it troubles me that I'm now a man who is physical with women. We are in couples counselling trying to work through these problems. In my opinion, the arguments mostly come from my wife, I've played my part but rarely initiate fights. She is prone to angry outbursts and verbal abuse. It's transpired that her father was very similar whilst she was growing up. She has told me about episodes of physical and verbal abuse. Whilst she has acknowledged that this does not excuse her behaviour it's still very difficult to be in a relationship with someone like this. I find myself 'walking on eggshells' a lot, and trying to fix her. I often feel that I am responsible for her emotions and blame myself for when she's in a crisis. She has no friends, is very mistrustful of others, often suspects people are conspiring against her (often my family and friends - who have been nothing but tolerant and supportive). I find it very hard not to get drawn into arguments with her, there is a feeling of inevitability that things will end badly when we fight. At worst she goads me until I fight with her. I find it soul-destroying going through this repetitive, destructive cycle that causes chaos in my families life.

I realise I'm not perfect and I'm trying to look at myself honestly and improve (individual counselling, organising couples counselling for us, looking after my general health - exercise, minimal alcohol etc.) I'm a fairly resilient person having been through a few things in life (my father's suicide in my early teens, my line of work etc.). I'm motivated and consider myself to be a mostly decent person (although this period in my life has made me question that).

I genuinely have been trying to help and support her. I know that she is vulnerable and has had a tough relationship with her father. It's hard to keep that perspective on her when being treated so poorly myself. At my lowest moments I feel a fool and that she is taking advantage of my efforts and persistence. I wonder if our situation is salvageable and even if it is, what will be left? I don't know what's best for my daughter and whether to continue to support my wife.

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DidiAskYouThough · 17/12/2023 16:30

Disgraceful of you both to be inflicting this abusive home-and therefore child abuse- on your kid. Never get counselling with an abuser-you both should have separate therapy and obviously you owe it to your kid to divorce.
You’re failing the kid if you drag out this utter farce any longer.

(Were you using contraception? If not it was an entirely expected, planned pregnancy)

Hatty65 · 17/12/2023 16:43

It's not salvageable. Move out and file for divorce. You will both be happier - and so will your child, which is far more important.

Rania78 · 17/12/2023 18:35

Sorry that you are going through this.

I think a relationship that has reached the point of verbal and physical abuse should end. Main issue is that your relationship moved too quickly to a pregnancy without you really knowing your wife.

I believe that you owe it to your child to divorce. She can’t be living in this environment. It will be difficult but it’s for her own good.

Mosa369 · 17/12/2023 22:14

I'm sorry to hear that you both are going through this. I don't think it has anything to do with how quickly your relationship progressed. Some people move quickly and some don't some get it right first time and some don't. Violence in a marriage/relationship can happen and anytime in the course of its life. Point is you both should get help and support separately.

I was in a very similar situation as yours both me and my husband were together for three years, married then fell pregnant a year later.

We both come from really violent backgrounds both our parents were in abusive marriages. We often spoke about how we both felt as children and how it impacted us in adulthood.

While I was pregnant I became increasingly aggressive towards my husband. We both would argue and throw things in and around the house. We both then went to our GP's with concerns of our unborn child and the environment they would be exposed to. Our GP contacted SS our unborn baby was put on CPS. Best thing that ever happened to us we had so much support from our Social Worker my husband attends counselling and group sessions with other men. I attend DBT therapy and groups with my baby.

It wasn't easy a lot was done by us as a couple I would say 70% of the work came from us working through our difficulties and the rest was support from local authorities as we both don't have a supportive network of friends and family. We had to unlearn what we were taught was acceptable behaviour through what we experienced as children.

We separated for a few weeks which helped a lot. Since our baby has been born we haven't had any violence we still get heated with each other though we separate ourselves either I go out or my husband does. Most of our heated conversations now fizzle out and we talk sometimes we put a pin in it and come back to it another time. We continue to work on us and have support from local authorities, we are both committed at making our home a safe home.

I would seek help from your GP let them know you are struggling to cope with your wife's outbursts. The worst thing is to not be proactive in changing the situation.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 17/12/2023 22:23

You should end this. My relationship became toxic during my pregnancy and ex walked out on me - wish he hadn't ended it like that and just before baby was born, but a year on I totally see that we shouldn't have been together and things are working out as ok as they can be - we're definitley both happier now and baby is so so so happy

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 17/12/2023 22:24

End it very very kindly and respectfully though

Ps why does her not using contraception stop you using it out of interest? Or does she not believe in condoms/pulling out/fertility awareness?

Opentooffers · 17/12/2023 22:44

You might be good as co-parents living separately. I wonder at a religion that's anti-contraception, and yet pro sex before marriage without contraception. I suspect the answer is that she has cherry-picked bits of her religion to suit her own ends.
Was she a virgin when you met, or always gone through life running the gauntlet of unprotected sex? Would she of taken issue with you using contraception rather than her - you should of refused sex without it.
Time apart, co-parent, see how it goes. See how her religion likes the idea of divorce?
Just goes to show, whatever class you are born into on the face of it, underneath it all, there can still be history of abusive childhoods that mess people up in adulthood. Don't let history repeat itself, protect your child. If you can't live amicably with each other, it's best not to.

fulawitt · 17/12/2023 23:00

you should have separate counseling. You should also separate until you have sorted yourself out individually.

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