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it's another family at christmas one

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imaceleb2023 · 03/12/2023 19:20

This time of year makes me incredibly sad.
Name changed btw, as I don't like it when posters go back through your old posts and try to make them relevant to the current thread. Want to stay on topic.

It always makes me sad, but I never acknowledge it, or allow myself to realise how sad it feels. I always put on a pretence of having lovely family plans for Christmas when I don't. The last few years, I've tried to make good plans, but realistically, it's always been awful.
This year, I've decided not to try, and it will just be me and my young daughter.

Well, I did try a little bit and asked one of my brothers if he'd like to join us for Christmas but he's made his plans with his girlfriend's family in another country- as is usually the case. He got annoyed when I wouldn't agree to cook a meal for my entire family on another day, which he could come to, before he heads off for his big family Christmas with her family. He doesn't want to visit if it's only me and my daughter. I can't force my other family to make the journey to mine so everyone can be in one place. We're not worth the effort apparently. Apparently I'm the bad guy, for having some boundaries, but I think the fact I'm a single mum, with no help, goes over my relatives' heads sometimes. Everyone in my family is single, with no children or responsibilities. No-one works full time, and everyone has enough money and security to get by. It's only me, who has a child, money worries and is looking for a job alongside being a mum. Don't ask me how, but I'm one of the few who didn't fall on my feet or have anyone to help me out. I don't begrudge them anything, but I wish they'd acknowledge things aren't easy for me, and make the effort to visit, for more than a flying hour once a year.

DD has no other relatives in her life. Dad was way too abusive for me to let him anywhere near him. His relatives seem alright from what I've seen on social media, but none of them ever ask after her or send her presents ever.

She'll get all her presents from me and santa, but the rest of the presents show up sporadically throughout the rest of the year, when relatives happen to be passing by. They refuse to post anything. I don't know why. She's got a backlog of birthday presents we've been told to pick up at some point. I don't drive and it's a two hour journey away by public transport to get them.

It's kinda awkward when people ask me what I'm doing for Christmas and I have to say 'nothing'. I know a lot of my neighbours, but there's no one to invite me over for Christmas drinks or anything, in my area, and I don't even have a pub in walking distance.

It'll just be another day in front of the tv. Honestly, that practical side of things, I don't mind. It just makes me so sad when I think of all the family members I have in different places, and no-one wants to invite us, or make an effort for everyone to get together. I tried hosting a couple of times in the past, but the people I invited were nasty (not just to me but my daughter as well), so I can't invite them again. After last Christmas, I ended up on the stately homes thread.

I used to have a wonderful grandparent. She was on her own and we used to always have a special time together. She died before her time. She would have adored my little girl.

I know that I should be enough for my daughter, but things were normal for some of my childhood, with lots of parties, friends and people around us, and I feel sad that she'll never experience that.

Thanks for reading, I don't know how to navigate these feelings, so I just felt that venting might help.

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kayla12345 · 03/12/2023 19:30

OP I can completely relate to this. My situation has changed now but for several years it was just me and my daughter. Make the most of it and don't put too much pressure on yourself. One year we didn't even have Xmas dinner, I asked what she wanted and she said spag bol so that's what we had.
I'm sure your daughter will look back and cherish the memories just the two of you

imaceleb2023 · 03/12/2023 19:35

kayla12345 · 03/12/2023 19:30

OP I can completely relate to this. My situation has changed now but for several years it was just me and my daughter. Make the most of it and don't put too much pressure on yourself. One year we didn't even have Xmas dinner, I asked what she wanted and she said spag bol so that's what we had.
I'm sure your daughter will look back and cherish the memories just the two of you

thank you. I'm trying to also feel happy with what I've got, just me and her, but it is hard sometimes. I expected so much more by now from life. I always imagined life was supposed to get fuller with more people, parties and glittery, as you got older.

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Chouxpastryishard · 03/12/2023 19:42

Just remember all the people who are dreading big family gatherings! We are sold this wonderful story about togetherness and joy. Peace and goodwill. It isn’t the case for many. You and your daughter can have a lovely time together doing what suits you. You won’t wear yourself out cooking and cleaning or putting up with obnoxious people. There is much to be thankful for.

imaceleb2023 · 03/12/2023 19:47

Chouxpastryishard · 03/12/2023 19:42

Just remember all the people who are dreading big family gatherings! We are sold this wonderful story about togetherness and joy. Peace and goodwill. It isn’t the case for many. You and your daughter can have a lovely time together doing what suits you. You won’t wear yourself out cooking and cleaning or putting up with obnoxious people. There is much to be thankful for.

but i like being around people, i'm a sociable creature. we used to have big family gatherings when i was younger and i enjoyed them a lot. now, no-one cares anymore. everyone has changed. my day in day out life is just me and my daughter at home. it isn't something to enjoy because i don't find isolation enjoyable. i don't need to find satisfaction by looking at someone else's own personal trouble with their family.

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JassyRadlett · 03/12/2023 19:53

I grew up with sprawling family Christmases and ours are now very small (just our household) for various reasons, though I certainly get that just the two of you is tough when you would like something bigger.

I still get twinges of regret when I see others' big Christmases but try to reframe it for myself in terms of centring our day doing special things that wouldn't be possible if we were going to someone else's place or catering for a large number at ours - things that have over time become our traditions, even simple stuff like a new jigsaw.

How old is your daughter? What does she really love? What do you love?

JassyRadlett · 03/12/2023 19:56

One more - when I get as a very recent immigrant and didn't know many people in this country well, a very kind acquaintance invited me to their family Christmas and made me feel like I really belonged by welcoming me in and letting me share in their family's traditions. I've always been grateful for that and they became very dear friends. I've never forgotten that kindness or how much it alleviated my loneliness and sense of being an outsider.

Holly60 · 03/12/2023 20:07

Hmm. Kindly OP, some of this sounds like pure bad luck but some of it is actually within your power.

You say that your brother suggested alternative day for him and other family to come and visit you, but you turned him down as it wasn't actually on Christmas Day.

I think I would possibly have agreed with good grace. If you'd done it and all had a wonderful time, what's to say you couldn't have gotten in early next year and suggested Christmas Day, or even ended up with an invitation from him and his partner. Now you'll just be known as the difficult one who couldn't flex.

You talk about not landing on your feet but some luck is definitely self made.

I'm sorry that some of your situation does sound really difficult but maybe bear in mind that everyone has stuff going on and the best way is to try and get what you want whilst still accommodating other people.

I have adult children. I still want a big family Christmas at mine with all the trimmings, so some years I do it on a different day, not actually Christmas Day. That way I get what I want but other people are also considered and get what they need too.

imaceleb2023 · 03/12/2023 21:03

Holly60 · 03/12/2023 20:07

Hmm. Kindly OP, some of this sounds like pure bad luck but some of it is actually within your power.

You say that your brother suggested alternative day for him and other family to come and visit you, but you turned him down as it wasn't actually on Christmas Day.

I think I would possibly have agreed with good grace. If you'd done it and all had a wonderful time, what's to say you couldn't have gotten in early next year and suggested Christmas Day, or even ended up with an invitation from him and his partner. Now you'll just be known as the difficult one who couldn't flex.

You talk about not landing on your feet but some luck is definitely self made.

I'm sorry that some of your situation does sound really difficult but maybe bear in mind that everyone has stuff going on and the best way is to try and get what you want whilst still accommodating other people.

I have adult children. I still want a big family Christmas at mine with all the trimmings, so some years I do it on a different day, not actually Christmas Day. That way I get what I want but other people are also considered and get what they need too.

You read my post wrong. I told my brother I was happy to host, but I wasn't going to cook a dinner for a whole load of people, (who wouldn't come anyway, because it would involve leaving their houses). I'm a single mum, I have fibromyalgia, my daughter has ASD. Whenever he has come down before, in the past, he has refused to eat what I offered, cooked a meal from scratch with my food, and gone home and left me with all the washing up and a baby to take care of. Or he would buy himself take-away and eat it in front of me, whilst I had something quick and easy like toast. I don't even cook myself a proper meal each day, I'm too exhausted- let alone a Christmas dinner for six! They're aware I have fibromyalgia, but it goes in one ear, out the other.

He said he didn't want to cook in my house, and then because I wouldn't cook a slap up meal for six people, he didn't want to come down. I invited him to come to the panto with me and my daughter, as an alternative, and he said he just wanted to go someone's house and have a big dinner and have everyone meet him there. I've never been invited to his house for Christmas in my life, and he is never likely to invite me. I wasn't even allowed to stay over for a weekend when I wanted to go and visit him once before. He's also being unrealistic, expecting a big family dinner at mine, because the others won't travel to my house anyway. They don't like going anywhere.

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LongAndWindingRoads · 03/12/2023 21:17

Not all Christmases are the same , some busy, some quiet, l am a lone parent l just take them as they come. Personally l find the quieter ones easier and more relaxing. My sons prefer it quiet also. I never feel I'm missing out.

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