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Could I have complex PTSD from my marriage?

29 replies

Curtainscurtains · 02/12/2023 13:33

I will preface this by asking posters to please be sensitive as I'm writing from a psychiatric unit and genuinely trying to find answers.

I married a man who is a self diagnosed narcissist 15 years ago. His father had previously led a cult that collapsed in a scandal. The cult involved two shepherds and the rest of the congregation were the sheep. They were told how to behave with their money, weight, relationships - very controlling. My FIL has always been disappointed that the cult ended. He's a very wealthy, powerful business man and my ex husband works with him in the family business. Although my ex endured horrific beatings as a child (with the buckle end of a belt for poor reports when FIL knew he had dyslexia), he was hopelessly enmeshed with his dad and they did everything together. When I met my husband (online) I was quite vulnerable because I'd been recently depressed, but I was doing really well and practicing my profession in another country on placement. I was love bombed in style and before I knew it I was engaged. My FIL wanted a quick wedding and we were married within four months.

Once we were married I realised the trap that I was in. Everything I did was wrong and my husband hated me. The disapproval was intense and impossible to escape. The expectations were many and impossible to meet. My husband would go to work and come home telling me what my FIL had told him to say (eg. "Your behaviour is dampening my romantic ardour for you"). The family was convinced I was trying to take their son away from them. I didn't know it but my ex had been filled with doubts pre wedding and my FIL had been coaching him on what to say to me, using the mantra 'high conviction' which is what they say when they're doing business deals.

My ex would say that he only made 'simple requests' of me but I knew that if I didn't try to please him, there would be further withdrawal and disapproval.

I had to have sex every night because that's what my FIL did. I can remember drinking two glasses of wine (trying to keep up with my husband) on our honeymoon and then being physically woken up and forced to walk round and round the kitchen until I was awake enough to have sex. It didn't matter that I didn't want to. I prayed wrong. I brushed my teeth at the wrong time. I wore the wrong deodorant. I bought the wrong things at the supermarket - I was just buying chicken and vegetables but they weren't cheap enough. (He had 100k in his bank account). He bought expensive desserts which was different because they were 'his treats'. He wanted me to only eat sweet things on a Friday because that was 'sweetie day'. I had given up my career to be with him so I had no income and had to ask him for money each time I needed it. My family lived 50 miles away. A few weeks into the marriage I went back on two consecutive weeks because an old lady I loved had died. He used that opportunity to request that I go back no more than twice a month. When he complained about our spiritual relationship, I suggested that we go to the book store and buy a book to help us. He responded that we shouldn't be using the car for unnecessary journeys. I couldn't win. When I suggested that he spend his birthday watching a match with his dad (I knew it would be his preference) he said he felt controlled and apparently the whole time was spent with his mother in tears, discussing my failings. My MIL had caused havoc at the wedding by rearranging the seating plan at the reception and organising an after party that we hadn't known about so I wanted a little bit of space from her demands. When I finally had them for lunch and did my very best to be lovely (about six weeks into the marriage) my husband was angry because I hadn't apologised to her for all the hurt I'd caused her. I can remember feeling an awful sense of entrapment when he said that.

Because of our strict faith, it never occurred to me I could leave. I didn't know that my husband and FIL were working on a document that was basically a character assassination, accusing me of misrepresenting myself before the marriage and being 'not as advertised'. I had definitely changed since the marriage. I had become plagued with migraines, was experiencing panic attacks and suicidal thoughts. When I tried to share these I was accused of making threats. My FIL fabricated some accusations out of thin air, accusing me of believing my husband was in a sexual relationship with his mother. He circulated this and other documents. Our marriage counsellors knew my FIL from the christian counselling circuit and church work. They warned me that he was a narcissist with terrible attitudes to women. I realised he was instructing my husband not to lose control of his wife as he apparently had done. He then said the marriage should be annulled because I had hidden my mental illness (I hadn't).

During this time I became increasingly distraught, angry and desperate. I must have been difficult to be around. I swung between desperately trying to elicit approval and being furious that I was in this position. My husband had been in the habit of ending relationships at the first sign of a 'bad mood' (as his dad had done while dating) and he was completely out of his depth. I tried to deal with this well but he would ignore me until I flipped. Then he would call his parents and say he was frightened for his life (I had only left the room - I was not physically threatening).

As time went on, we had children. My husband stopped making demands but still did not seem to love me. He told me he couldn't say he liked me because then I might think I didn't need to change. My mental health deteriorated. Our child had autism and only wanted her dad. I was disabled for some years following her birth. I felt elbowed out of the family and it was terrifying. My husband showed signs of being gay and confessed that he had once tried to take advantage of a drunk friend in the past. He didn't care what that revelation might do to our relationship but he was feeling a crisis of conscience about it. I tried to support him. During this time I was still desperately trying to keep it together but was also terrified. It felt like every day was a car crash and I could never draw breath. Every day I was on edge wondering what my husband's mood would be - if I would be expected to stay out of the way or if he wanted to be married that day. On the rare occasions he wanted sex, it was like crumbs that I clung to. It didn't occur to me if I wanted sex - everything was about trying to elicit warn feelings. Yet I was also having outbursts of anger where I would rage about how trapped I felt and how unfair the set up was. I didn't recognize myself at the times and I still don't.

When he eventually told me he was a narcissist and had never loved me, my focus turned completely onto the children and getting them through each day. As the years went on, I started to feel dead inside. Nothing brought me joy and a terrible agitation began to take over my life. I became very suicidal. I to mood stabilizers that didn't work and would religiously avoid my husband to avoid feeling that despair and disapproval. I felt that he would prefer I was dead and I came to wish that I was. I felt unworthy of life, utterly hopeless, a basket case and longed for death.

Crucially, during some of my outbursts, I lashed out at my husband with my fists. I don't remember this clearly but I feel deeply, deeply ashamed and it contributed to my suicidal feelings. I wrote him awful messages. He became a victim of what I understand is called reactive abuse and I own this completely. A member of his family became aware and contacted social services. My children are now on a safety plan and I can't see them. I have gone from being a loving mother who did everything for my children to them being cared for entirely by my soon to be ex husband. He rang the psychiatric unit the other day to tell them I had been physically abusive to him and was not fit to care for children.

Only a few weeks ago he would have said I was a wonderful mother - everyone I know says this - and would have spoken highly of me to other people.

I am trying to understand my own behaviour and I take full responsibility for it. For the purposes of getting better, it would be helpful to understand why I reacted as I did. I can't across a check list for complex pstd and realized that every symptom applies to me. But I haven't been trafficked and I'm not a war veteran. I was taken as a prize from God and treated like a commodity but could this be enough to trigger the condition? I have not been violent before and have been a dedicated mother.

I wondered what others thought.

I know violence is completely unacceptable. It would just help me to understand and get the right help if I had a handle on why I've reacted this way. Thank you.

OP posts:
BurrosTail · 02/12/2023 13:42

Well PTSD or C-PTSD aren’t reserved for war veterans or people in car crashes, abusive relationships can definitely cause it, too.

category12 · 02/12/2023 13:55

I'd be surprised if you didn't have PTSD after all that.

CandyLeBonBon · 02/12/2023 14:06

You absolutely have ptsd

Curtainscurtains · 02/12/2023 15:10

Thanks for your input. Where do I go from here?

Bump

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CandyLeBonBon · 02/12/2023 15:36

You need your speak to your gp, tell him/her what you've said here and ask for a referral to the assessment and treatment service so you can access specialist support for trauma.

EveryKneeShallBow · 02/12/2023 16:29

I’m so sorry for what you have been through. I have a friend diagnosed with CPTSD due to her toxic ex husband. You need help, and you deserve help. Virtual hugs for you.

Rainydays777 · 02/12/2023 19:15

Complex PTSD is actually very common in situations where you have been trapped and abused. What you have been through is horrific and I am so sorry. I can relate as my exH was abusive and I was also diagnosed with C-PTSD.

reactive abuse is also a normal and understandable reaction. They will push you into being and behaving like someone you are not.

alongside more traditional routes (GP, therapy) I also found Yin yoga helped me immensely. It helps to release the trauma trapped in the body. I also recommend reading ‘the body keeps the score’ and watching Dr Ramani’s videos on you tube about narcissists.

Curtainscurtains · 02/12/2023 20:00

Thank you for these responses.

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category12 · 02/12/2023 20:08

EMDR is supposed to be good with PTSD.

letmeeatcrisps · 02/12/2023 23:30

Call women’s aid - or your local women’s refuge. Ask how you can get an IDVA (independent domestic violence advocate). I am so sorry they did this to you
i know the feeling that the family is colluding against you. It’s very scary. Try to stay calm. PM if you want to chat?

ncnov · 02/12/2023 23:35

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ComeOnDieYoung · 03/12/2023 01:40

I can very much relate to how you are feeling.

My ex husband wasn't abusive during the relationship, but as soon as the divorce came through he became utterly evil towards me. I've lost count of how many times he's dragged me to court for custody. He's made up lie after lie about me. The accusations about what I've supposedly done to my child are vile to the point they make me feel physically ill. Everything I have ever done has been twisted. If it snowed, it was my fault. If my car got a flat tyre, it was my fault. He dragged up things from my childhood. He dragged up an abortion I had as a teenager, which he was well aware I was devastated about.

It's hard to explain, but perhaps you can understand the absolute devastation it causes to your sense of self worth to read documents making you out to be a monster.

Worst of all, the more he took me to court, the more mentally ill it made me, the more cruel the judges would be towards me. It was utterly hellish having them believe what he had said and then talk to me and look at me like a piece of shit.

Eventually for my own sanity, I've had to stop contact with my child. I know people may judge that, but I really think I was heading for suicide if his abuse of me had continued. I had obviously developed CPTSD as a result of it and I spent years unable to sleep, drive, take a shower, go for a walk etc without the whole thing repeating over and over in my head until I felt like I was going insane.

So very different circumstances but similar with the character assassination. It is absolutely no wonder you have CPTSD as a result.

I'm so sorry you've been through this. I wish I could do something to make things better for you. It makes me cry to think of someone else having this condition and the cruelty that has led to it. None of this is your fault. Please believe me.

Please, please look after yourself 🌺🌺🌺

Curtainscurtains · 03/12/2023 08:09

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Hi all - we're afraid that we don't believe the OP is genuine. We've removed their threads and posts.

Unfortunately yes it's completely real.

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TropDrôle · 03/12/2023 08:12

OP I have C-PTSD from my narcissistic mother.

Trauma is personal and contextual. Small traumas repeated over and over so you never stop being in fight or flight for very long periods.

Newnamehiwhodis · 03/12/2023 08:16

Yes, it sounds like you do.
I have it from a relationship very much like yours, though your experience sounds even worse than mine. So yes, it’s quite possible.
gp can put you on meds and I hope you have some kind of access to therapy- a therapist who specializes in trauma has been extremely helpful to me in healing.

just know this: you CAN heal. It does get better. It really does. Just be patient with yourself and kind to yourself. I hope you can truly get away from him.

EveryKneeShallBow · 03/12/2023 08:30

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BuffaloCauliflower · 03/12/2023 08:34

You’ve had an absolutely terrible time, and yes it does sound like PTSD/C-PTSD and justifiably so. As a fellow Christian, you’ve also be subject to awful spiritual abuse alongside the emotional, psychological and sexual abuse. I’m so sorry you’ve been through this. No wonder you lashed out after so many years. Please be kind to yourself.

You say you’re currently in a psychiatric ward, are you being well supported? Have you relayed this history to them there? The suggestion of getting an independent domestic violence advocate as well is a good one.

scoobysnaxx · 03/12/2023 08:39

Psychotherapist here. I am so sorry for everything you've been through. C-PTSD develops after enduring years and years of complex abuse. This often comes from long term childhood abuse/neglect or severe long term domestic abuse relationships. It is definitely possible you would meet criteria for C-PTSD but would need complete assessment.

If you are currently on a psychiatric ward, your consultant psychiatrist will be responsible for your care and discharge plan when the time comes, not your GP.

If they feel you would benefit from care under a community mental health team after being discharged, they will refer you to them. Community teams have psychologists in them or work closely alongside a Psychology team. You would be able to access assessment and therapy here.

You should have a diagnosis listed on the system but unless you have told your consultant all the above it probably won't say C-PTSD yet. (Above is relevant to UK only).

Talk to your care team.

I wish you all the healing in the world.

JAVALAVA · 03/12/2023 08:55

Are you in the UK?

I would say you have c-ptsd. I was also in an abusive relationship and behaved as you describe. I similarly ended up in a psyc unit at one point. Please speak with your team. Tell them why and what has happened. I don't know anyone that wouldn't snap in the situations your husband has put you through. And I bet you've only just scratched the surface here. Keep all texts, emails, correspondence with your husband as you may need to use them at a later date. Hopefully the psyc ward your in will signpost you to a domestic abuse charity who can get you help.

What I will say is that you can get better, you've been better before and will again.

determinedtomakethiswork · 03/12/2023 09:03

If you are in a psychiatric unit anyway, can't you talk to a member of staff about this? It sounds horrendous.

Curtainscurtains · 03/12/2023 09:19

I'm in Northern Ireland where there are very few psychologists on psychiatric wards - no one comes in and the waiting list is years long.

I have spoken to the nurses but they aren't in a position to do much except suggest I raise it with the consultant. I can't do that until I see him and wanted to see if the idea was a stupid one. According to social services, I am a domestic abuser so it's hard for me to see a different narrative or imagine anyone believing it.

The faith aspect is hard. I realised one day that I couldn't imagine a god who wasn't like my father in law. That was the day I realised I didn't believe.

I am so sorry that others have been through awful experiences. It's very hard to bear and I wish you all well.

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ComeOnDieYoung · 03/12/2023 11:06

I don't believe that you're a domestic abuser. I don't think any of this has been your fault.

Curtainscurtains · 03/12/2023 11:29

I certainly never meant to cause pain or destroy anyone. It feels like I've been submerged and disorientated for so long that I can't see which way is up. I feel broken and worthless but I do know I've been a good mother. I wish I had realised my limits and known that I couldn't keep the family together in the way I was trying to. It feels like my husband is everywhere and this is his world, not mine. It's felt like that from the beginning of the marriage but now I've handed him everything he needs to create a credible narrative that will eradicate me completely from the children's lives. And it has been awful for him. But his family is so powerful and convincing that what they will say will be believed.

I veer between half agreeing with him that I'm too damaged to take up space in the world, and thinking that I need to do whatever work is necessary to be there for the children. It doesn't feel like he will ever feel like I've done enough work, though.

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SunRainStorm · 03/12/2023 11:39

You're so strong OP. You've been through so much.

Focus on your health now, be kind to yourself.

You sound like a wonderful mother who has carried her children through a terrible storm for a very long time. You've understandably collapsed and need time to heal.

ComeOnDieYoung · 03/12/2023 12:00

I know you want to see your children and have a meaningful role in their lives. Believe me, I know that very well.

I do too. But I've learnt to see having my own space away from XH and his opinions is absolutely a blessing.

It's taken a while to unpick myself from his view of me and all the people he's persuaded that I'm evil. I still have the occasional period where I can't quite believe someone would treat me like this unless I genuinely had done something wrong.

I think it will take you a while too. But whatever he thinks about you is genuinely irrelevant. It's not the truth.

You sound like a good person and yes, a good mum, who should never have ever been put in this position.

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