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Self sabotage or not right for me??? Need advice!

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Oliviaaaaaaaa · 29/11/2023 00:17

Hi all.
Will try explain as brief as I can - desperate for some advice/opinions.
Nov 2022 my 8 year relationship ended with my babies father. I started a new job and met a guy there who I started talking too in December 2022, no intentions at all but he seemed interesting and I liked his ora.. fast forward 2 months and things got so so full on. I was trying to take it slow but he was borderline obsessed and it became very apparent that he didn’t know who he was and all his focus was going on me and it became unhealthy. I called it off and said we must focus on ourselves - I needed space as I had not long come out a long relationship and even though this new guy and I had a strong connection it wasn’t right and he needed to work on himself.. he had hidden himself away from reality, from socialising, normality for years and needed to find out who he was and gain confidence in himself. I said if anything were to happen again, it would be natural but it wasn’t right for either of us at that time.
it took him a good few months to understand this. He spend months really low, angry towards me, didn’t understand how I was able to ‘carry on’ with life.. I encouraged him to go out dating which he did. After maybe 5/6 months we started getting on better at work again, he seemed much more confident, sure in himself, easy to be around and the flirting began, it felt harmless but I was aware not to let things get out of hand. I had an honest conversation with him about how he felt. He felt happier in himself, dating was going okay but admitted no one came close to me.. a few weeks go by, we become closer and closer and something just felt right about it. We were laughing, happy, intimacy was good, I felt safe, secure, the balance was great.. we decided to try give things ago again and said we would be going into this as final try. Anyway since we started talking again, the first like month was great as mentioned. Then all of a sudden I’m seeing a repeat again and he’s made me aware that when I ended it the first time he felt suicidal and spent most days crying, broken not knowing what to do.. the reason for the swift change in confidence and like he was focusing on himself and in a better place was only cos he had a feeling of ‘f**k it I’m done hurting’ and faked feeling okay again.. but to me, it seemed like he was doing good..
this has concerned me massively. Then I started noticing him losing himself more.. stopping going to the gym, stopping seeing his friends, saying things which he thought I’d want to hear whether it be how he feels about things or his likes or dislikes and I can see right through it. Talking about moving in, marriage, kids, saying I love you etc.. it’s all too much.
I had a honest conversation with him about this and said it’s starting to feel a little consuming, please focus on yourself still and don’t lose yourself and be proud of who you are.. he agreed this was the case and said he will try to carry on as normal.

but now I just can’t see past it. I can’t help but feel the balance is so off.. I’m finding his company draining, I’m not wanting to be affectionate with him. We aren’t laughing like we were, I don’t feel sexually or romantically attracted to him.. his ways about him are now bothering me just his way of thinking and how long he takes to do anything.. he’s so in his own head?! I’m very proactive and a get up and go person.. he’s not.. I’m now basically noticing all these negatives? But why didn’t I notice these before? Why is it now that I’m feeling the way I do? He genuinely is a very caring person and can’t do enough for me and has good morals. Have I self sabotaged this? Or are we just not right for each other?

if I end it now, it really will be for good. Will I regret it? I’m also scared to end it.. we work together for god sake.. why did I think this would be okay?! And I’m scared after he said he felt suicidal.. I’d like to be friends as I feel as friends we would get on so well and I genuinely do care about him and want the best for him but I know that’s probably not going to be possible..
he also said that when we started talking again his family were very sceptical and didn’t want him talking to me and it’s going to take a lot for me to ‘prove to them’ that I’m genuine? Which really hurt me cos I ended it the first time from both of our best interests not just mine.. but his family resented me so I feel like it’s going to hit me really hard.
im not a nasty person, I genuinely do care but am I being gaslighted here?!

we haven’t even shared a hug or a kiss in about a week and he’s still making comments like me and my little boy are his family and mean everything to him.. I can tell he’s miserable and wants to be intimate and he knows things are off but he’s avoiding having a conversation about it. - I did bring it up like I say but nothing has changed other than him going to the gym again and ‘finding himself’ again.. but I can’t help but just feel something is majorly off?! How can it go from one extreme to the other??

please help!! I don’t want him being completely heart broken and I don’t want to fuck something up if I’m self sabotaging it?! But I can’t carry on how I am…

Sorry for the long post

OP posts:
TheHawkisHowling · 29/11/2023 02:03

He doesn't sound right for you.

It's not a good idea to go into any relationship thinking that they'll change into the person you want them to be. People don't often change and they change even less often because someone else wants them to.

Pinkbonbon · 29/11/2023 02:26

"But how didn't I notice this before?'

Well considering you've failed to notice he's a total lunatic I'm not surprised.

He's batshit op.

The only self sabotaging you are doing is dating a total fruit loop.

The suicide remarks alone are indicative that he's an abuser trying to guilt trip you. As for his family...have you even met them? Is it possible he is just TELLING you they hate you?

I mean either way the guy has more red flags than a communist parade.

You dump him. You tell hr before you dump him that you are worried for his mental health and he may cause issues. That way they can maybe move one of you or at least be prepared if he causes trouble.

I mean op...you have a kid ffs...how did you get involved with this melt?

And why are you from the very start pandering to him about this 'losing himself' crap as if you're thus guys mummy or his therapist or something. It sounds like there never was a 'himself'. It was all an act to draw you in and suck you dry. Thars why he drops it all once he's reeled you in.

Get rid.

GarlicMaybeNot · 29/11/2023 02:29

God, no!! It's only 12 months since your long-term relationship ended. Through all of the time since, you've been embroiled in another man's identity crisis and here you are, making excuses for his deeply unhealthy fixation on you - as a substitute personality, no less - and wondering if this is the best you can get.

You are not his personality, reason for living, saviour or life coach. The man's an emotional H-bomb. Leave him to his own devices, but call the police if he clings. He's not your responsibility. You are, and your child is.

Many of us have tumbled into unhealthy rebound relationships, but yours takes the biscuit. You haven't even been single! Get rid of the weirdo and put some effort into the kind of life you want to create for your child and yourself. Create it. Much later, if any bloke proves himself worthy of inclusion in your happy & successful little family, give it some thought. But not until then!

flowerchild2000 · 29/11/2023 02:37

Towards the beginning when you told him he needed to work on himself first, he was angry towards you. I knew then he wasn't healthy. He still isn't. He probably won't be. To be honest I've known a few men who sound like him, one was a neighbor, another a good friend, and a guy I briefly dated. And they turned into stalkers. I won't go into details because my post would be longer than yours, but there's no making your situation work. From where I'm standing it can get a lot worse. One of those guys I mentioned still stalks me just online thankfully, but it's been nearly 10 years and he's still sending me dick pics, and really creepy messages. I have to block and report all the time. Don't give that man your energy anymore. You sound really intelligent and insightful, you deserve someone on your level. Don't settle for less or you might have a nightmare on your hands.

Oliviaaaaaaaa · 29/11/2023 09:24

@TheHawkisHowling Thank you for your reply. You are absolutely right! Wow.. thank you.
I suppose at the start I wasn’t in the best place and the things he was telling me of what he wanted etc is what I also wanted but actions speak louder than words. So I thought it would be a case that he just needed to work on himself but as other comments have said as soon as he has reeled me in he drops the act.. what a situation I’m in!! ☹️

I also just want everyone to know I’ve been very slow/sceptical about involving him with my child. He’s only been around him a couple of times recently.. I’ve kept this very separate whilst I figured this out but I know what I need to do.. it’s how I go about it and when 😬 part of me feels I need to change jobs which I don’t think I want to do.. I’m such an idiot!

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Oliviaaaaaaaa · 29/11/2023 09:30

@Pinkbonbon thank you for your reply. You are soooo absolutely right.
as for his his family I have met them only a few times. Once we started talking a second time I did have his sister message me asking to meet up for a chat as she wants to know I’m serious about him* and I really hurt his feelings before.. we never met for a chat but I said to her neither of us were in the right place the first time and I never meant to hurt his feelings. Apparently his family don’t even know how low and suicidal he got? God for bid they knew that.. maybe they are all crazy!

great advice about HR. Gives me a bit of light at the end of the tunnel that there is a way to go about this that won’t cause a huge uproar.. hopefully.

in terms of how I got involved with him as I have a child.. honestly, I think when my ex left me I was absolutely broken. This guy seemed safe, calm, caring.. I had no intention of meeting anyone it just happened then before I know it, it was 10000 miles an hour.. I have barely involved him with my child thankfully. But I hold my hands up I’m stupid!

you are so right, as soon as he’s reeled me in the act gets dropped.. there never has been this ‘put together, confident, sure in himself version’ it’s all been an act and then when he has me he drops the act and goes back to the way he was before. His communication is absolutely shocking as well.. i just can’t go it anymore ☹️ I hate the fact I will hurt his feelings and I genuinely don’t know if he’s aware how manipulative his behaviour is.. what a mess ☹️

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Oliviaaaaaaaa · 29/11/2023 09:34

@GarlicMaybeNot I have no words… thank you so much! This is really the reality check I needed to hear. I’m extremely grateful. You hit the nail on the head completely…

hes not my responsibility at all. Only me and my child are! And that’s all I honestly truly care about. He’s his own responsibility and I need to focus on building a life for me and my little boy. Which I feel I have been trying to do still. My little boy always comes first. I guess I got caught up in this mess when my little boy is with his dad.. and it’s just gotten out of hand! I need to be single. I need to focus on myself and my little boy and like you say if someone then is worthy of entering our life, then let them.

honestly thank you so much!!

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Oliviaaaaaaaa · 29/11/2023 09:36

@flowerchild2000 thank you for your reply and sorry to hear you’ve had some horrible experiences yourself! That are still ongoing to this day. But you are so right.. this has the potential to be a serious mess.. I’ve got to call it off.. I just don’t know how or where to start to cause the least uproar possible. If that’s even possible.. oh gosh ☹️

thank you for your kind words. Hopefully I meet someone on my level one day. Until then I definitely need to focus on myself and my little boy.
thank you so much!

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samestyle · 29/11/2023 10:21

You're not enjoying being with him, don't stay just to please him, I don't think there will be any regrets, as it seems he's more into you than you are him.
It's not you sabotaging it, he's being too full on and manipulating you into a relationship you don't want.

TheCatterall · 29/11/2023 14:21

End it and don’t aim for a friendship either. He isn’t able to have a true relationship at any level with you. And don’t introduce anyone yo your child if you’ve been together less than 3 months would be my recommendation.

TheHawkisHowling · 29/11/2023 14:26

Oliviaaaaaaaa · 29/11/2023 09:24

@TheHawkisHowling Thank you for your reply. You are absolutely right! Wow.. thank you.
I suppose at the start I wasn’t in the best place and the things he was telling me of what he wanted etc is what I also wanted but actions speak louder than words. So I thought it would be a case that he just needed to work on himself but as other comments have said as soon as he has reeled me in he drops the act.. what a situation I’m in!! ☹️

I also just want everyone to know I’ve been very slow/sceptical about involving him with my child. He’s only been around him a couple of times recently.. I’ve kept this very separate whilst I figured this out but I know what I need to do.. it’s how I go about it and when 😬 part of me feels I need to change jobs which I don’t think I want to do.. I’m such an idiot!

You're not an idiot. Please don't tell yourself that!

You've identified all the issues. It's just a case of extricating yourself now.

Sending you good luck 🌺

TheShellBeach · 29/11/2023 14:26

................ he had hidden himself away from reality, from socialising, normality for years and needed to find out who he was and gain confidence in himself

And he still hasn't by the sound of things.

He isn't a project for you to fix, OP. You can bow out of this very easily and stop concerning yourself with his problems.

You have a child to consider, after all - not to mention yourself.

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