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Toxic mother

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ToothFairy2023 · 31/10/2023 18:12

My mother was the only girl in a family of brothers and her dad favoured the brothers over her particularly the older one who lived away and played them all off against one another. So you would think she would know better.

In my birth family I am the eldest of three. My mother has always seemed to favour my younger siblings over me and this has got worse in recent years. I have often had comments thrown up to me in the past if I ever say anything that they are more like her, so she finds it easier to get on with them, they are more down to earth like her, she doesn’t know why that is, I must be imagining things, its all in my mind, she thought something was bothering me and she doesn’t know why I am so jealous of them, I’ll be sorry when she is gone (she is early 80’s now but she has said this for decades) etc. She also treats my children like second class citizens but practically brought up my niece. My two hardly saw her and she never looked after them when they were little. She has always favoured my niece, always talking about her, spoiling her with money, time, attention, much more lavish gifts (my niece is my younger sisters child).

Anyway I am sick of her giving it this woe is me I can’t go out anywhere because I can’t drive, my balance is bad, my anxiety is bad etc etc. Yet she can summon a taxi quick sharp to go and visit my niece and her dogs (who lives about the same distance away as I do).

If I offer to take her out in the car she nearly always knocks me back saying she will not bother, will just leave it, she will let me know nearer the time she has a but of a funny tummy, we’ll do something another time etc. But if my sister or niece offer to take her out she is there like a rat up a drain pipe and goes on and on about it. My sister now has become her go to for everything. I’ll just leave it for her, she can do it, she says she is going to do it, no its ok I’ve already asked her, I will just ask her. Yet I am more intelligent and much more capable at most things. Amongst other things I am sure I/we my family have been cut out of the will as my sister and niece are visiting her umpteen times a week yet for her age she is in very good health.

Anyway today I offered to take her somewhere and got the no I’ll just leave it thank you. She texted me about something else later and said her mobile phone wasn’t working and she had phoned our landline. I phoned her back. I was perfectly ok with her. She asked if I enjoyed X I said I didn’t go I was only going to go to X with you. She said well I didn’t know that did I. I said well I am sick of offering and getting knocked back if X or Y had offered to take you, you would have gone like a shot. So I am not going to offer anymore, you know where I am if you want me and then she put the phone down on me.

What would you do?

If I don’t get in touch she will leave it as long as poss. Then quickly phone or send a very short text about something unrelated and would never dream of mentioning putting the phone down on me, apologising or referencing her bad behaviour.

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ToothFairy2023 · 31/10/2023 19:22

She has texted already. Normally, she waits for me to get in touch or she gets one of my siblings to text me because she has been unwell and feels bad because I am upset or she waits and texts about the weather and hope your ok or similar or quickly phones to ask if we were ok as she hasn’t heard from me in awhile.

Tonight’s text message says ‘sorry I shouldn’t have put the phone down on you but I sensed we would end up having words’.

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Oldthyme · 31/10/2023 19:31

Be gracious, be the bigger person just to get past this latest hurdle. Accept the apology.

However, going forward, just drop the batton and keep your distance. Stop putting your head over the parapet only to find yourself knocked back.

Whatever acknowledgement you get from her in future, see it as a bonus. Don’t go looking for it and get on with your own busy life.
Step back, switch off from what she does with others. See what happens.

ToothFairy2023 · 31/10/2023 19:44

Thanks shall I just reply and say ok, I’m sorry too and not what I would really like to say ‘I’m sorry for offering to take you out for the afternoon on my day off, when I nearly always get knocked back and you have shown me on many occasions that you never appreciate anything I do for you and always prefer X, Y and Z.

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Marshmalloween · 31/10/2023 20:12

Don’t apologise. You’ve got a right to feel slighted by her behaviour.

Just say thanks for apologising and leave it at that. As pp said, don’t initiate things in future, take a bit of time away from it and decide how you want to continue.

As sad as it seems, you will probably just have to accept that your relationship with her will never be fulfilling. That’s on her…

I have a family member like that too. I just gave up and lo and behold we never see each other. She plays the victim about it 🙄 but I’m past caring now so don’t rise to the bait.

Tinkerbyebye · 31/10/2023 20:18

Just go back and say thank you. Nothing more

then step back, stop offering to take her anywhere, if she wants something from you if you want to/can do it ok if not don’t just say sorry I can’t ask xxxx (your sister)

ToothFairy2023 · 31/10/2023 21:05

Thanks both. I could write a book about the hurtful comments, nastiness, lies, upset and insults from my mother over the years. I had already replied to her before seeing your update. I just said ‘ok xx’.

I have tried to go no contact in the past but I feel so guilty that it eats me up and I give in. My mother has repeatedly shown me her true colours and what she thinks of me over the years. I just keep trying to forget the past hurt and try to start a fresh and build a loving mother daughter relationship with her before its too late but clearly she doesn’t want the same and wants to always hold all of the cards using guilt or whatever. Even when I am doing something for her she makes it feel like she is the one doing me the favour by letting me (if she sees fit).

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WeeDove · 31/10/2023 21:18

My mother is very difficult too, but my dad always backs her up 😒

The next time you are talking to your mother, tell her, "I'm going to xxxxxxxx on my day off!"
Make it clear you have other stuff to do.
Find something better to do every second time you'd normally see her.
Going nc is a Statement, which she'll have a reaction to, and that will upset you more than her. So low contact, deny you are trying to make a point. Just prioritise yoga, book club, work, choir, washing your hair...

Mari9999 · 31/10/2023 21:50

@ToothFairy2023
Maybe things might go better between the 2 of you in terms of your feelings if you discussed her not letting you do things with or for her without mentioning your sister or your niece.

Your concern should be what does or does not happen between or with the 2 of you. Her relationship with your sister and niece should not be a part of that conversation. You are trying to navigate the relationship between the 2 of you.

Even when my children were very young ,we never entertained a "why did I get/do/have xyz when he or she got/have/did abc?" If they had questions related to something that happened or was going on with one of them that was a discussion that could always be brought to the table. There was never any room for a she or he got. We could always ask why did I not get, and discussions would flow. If we were to say " you gave him or her, then discussion would stop, and we would be advised to come back when we were ready to talk about the 2 of 3 of us. Perhaps, your mother feels the same way.

ToothFairy2023 · 31/10/2023 22:56

Because my mother has no hobbies or interests she reels off who has been to see her, what they did and how long they stayed for etc. I don’t ask. I try to not engage or I change the subject. But if she didn’t reel this off she would have absolutely nothing to say. I have cut down on visits and just let my sister get on with what my mother wants her to do if I offer and my mother knocks me back.

When my father died my mother phoned me up to let me know my niece had asked to do the reading at his funeral and she was just phoning me up to let me know and check I didn’t mind because really I was the oldest. I said I would like to do a reading. My poor dad had only been dead about 3 days. She said only one person could do one as it was lockdown and she thought I might get too upset to read, my niece had always wanted to do a reading at my dads funeral apparently and she had already started writing what she would like to say. So she couldn’t really do anything about it as niece was very close to my dad, very upset about him dying, looked on him like a father figure and she didn’t want to upset her as she had already said she could do it.

Another example was nieces 18th just before my sons 18th she asked what she could get him and made a point of saying I got niece a such and such designer watch that she wanted for her birthday. My son got £25 in the end. We said nothing.

When niece went off to Uni she went out for a meal with them, talked about what a good time she had for ages, put a photo of my brother, sister, her, my niece and her sister in her living room (we weren’t invited for the meal). Around the same time she moved all the photos of my two from her living room her excuse well they are old photos now so they have gone now.

Before my DS went off to Uni we invited her and my brother out for a meal with us. She said she would let us know nearer the time and just decide on the day. We were going somewhere to accommodate her rather than somewhere we or DS would enjoy. I asked her to let us know either way 24 hours beforehand so we could at least let the restaurant know numbers. She phoned almost exactly on 24 hours and said she was giving it a miss because her anxiety was too bad and she didn’t really like leaving the house etc etc. We said nothing accepted it and took DS round to visit her. I then found out a week later that she had been out for lunch to meet my nieces boyfriends mother for the first time the day after we had invited her out with DS. Her excuse and rationale was she didn’t realise she was going when she said no to us, my sister just phoned up and said she would pick her up in an hour so she had no choice, she couldn’t do anything about it but she wanted to meet my nieces boyfriend as she was serious about him. Her social anxiety hadn’t bothered her at all meeting a stranger for the first time who wasn’t actually family as my sister and my niece were with her.

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Quitelikeit · 31/10/2023 23:10

Why not tell her the favouritism has left you feeling hurt, rejected and angry.

It might not change things but at least you have told her and it is her burden to shoulder. As a mother I would want to know if I was making one of my children feel this way

I don’t think you have anything to lose to be honest

Cornishclio · 31/10/2023 23:31

I think I would be honest with her and say her blatant favouritism is upsetting you and you feel bad she favours your niece over your DS. Then step back. Life is too short to spend with those who make you feel bad even if they are related. Just disengage.

ToothFairy2023 · 01/11/2023 07:31

I have told her in the past about feeling upset by some of her actions and comments, feeling like the black sheep of the family, feeling left out (yet academically and in terms of marriage, house I have done far better than my mother and siblings and I also love my DH, my sis hates her partner but stays with him as they are both fickle and have too many debts etc etc etc).

Whenever, I have said anything in the past she denies, is sorry I felt like that, makes excuses or accuses me of imagining it or being jealous etc etc. Then she makes out she is the victim and she shouldn’t be made to feel like this or have to put up with this at her age with her heart and blood pressure. She has raised us and thought her job was done.

A couple of times I have even put down what she did or said and put my feelings down on paper. Once after I had children who she barely saw and she never saw them on their own or more than once a fortnight if I took them round yet she practically raised niece who was often their 7 days a week and she stayed over night etc etc.

She gets upset about it to other people but doesn’t mention it to me except perhaps to say she didn’t realise I would feel like that, she never meant anything by it, its just the way it is etc.

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ToothFairy2023 · 03/11/2023 15:04

Feel bad and guilty for not speaking or contacting my mother by text since the other day.

But I just can’t face anymore guilt trips, woe is me tales (lonely refuses to join any clubs participate in any activities and she has a community centre about 70 yards from her front door on a level path), can’t go anywhere can I (she can’t drive), moaning about her neighbours, constant need to talk about trying to keep herself going and keep busy finding things to do (while my brother who lives with her is out at work for 5 hours 4 days a week), misses my dad which I get (he died about 3 years ago and they did everything together but sometimes she refuses to talk about it and other times she goes over things and I listen but her and my brother both shoulder a lot of guilt as neither were very understanding or tolerant with him in his latter years), I suggested counselling and she spoke to someone on the phone twice (then decided she was fine), knock backs if I offer to take her anywhere to give her a change of scenery and alleviate the loneliness and spend time together, she complains about the price of a cup of tea and not being able to get a decent cup of tea anywhere, the price of a scone or slice of cake even though 80% of the time I pay. Says well where can we go what can we do - I say well I have until X time (a decent amount of time) so its entirely up to you I can take you wherever you want to go.

She often mentions wanting something doing around the house or wanting to buy something, needing something or wanting something fixing etc etc. I offer to help or to do it now for her and I repeatedly get told no its ok, she’ll do it, leave it for her to do, she said she was going to it, she’ll take me, I’ll have to wait and see her to see if she can do X or Y etc etc (sister or niece).

I am not a bad uncaring person and I would love to have a nice reciprocal loving relationship with my mother and have always felt like this and I want to spend time with her when I can while I can (I work part time) but it never quite works out like that. I wanted her to get to know my children but she showed little interest in them as she was always looking after or spending time with my niece or having a day off (on the rare occasions niece wasn’t there and my sister was actually looking after her).

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firstmummy2019 · 03/11/2023 15:25

In all honesty, you need to take a massive step back from her. Stop offering her help or lifts. She does not appreciate them. Turn ypur attention to those in your family who do appreciate you.

It hurts, I've been there. But now that I'm very low contact, I feel like I have gained my power back. This was after a period of a year no contact when my mother really overstepped the mark.

Your mother has shown you over and over again who she is.

Jamietoast · 03/11/2023 16:47

Why bother with someone who makes no effort and makes you feel like rubbish?

Why do you feel guilty? What does she bring to the table? Just more negativity from the sounds of it. A Sulking, grudging energy.

Re. “the Will” - she’s fit and healthy and could live for a long time and sounds like she’s gonna leave any £ left (which may not be much by then esp if she goes into care, who can say?) to your niece / sister.

So I’d leave them all to it!

Live your life unencumbered by these miserable, selfish people.

Jamietoast · 03/11/2023 16:49

You can only “have a relationship”. with someone who wants to have a relationship with you. Anything else is humiliating and wasted energy.

Marshmalloween · 03/11/2023 19:24

You need to distract yourself from this situation. When you find yourself thinking about it you need to snap out of it - every time. I think tinkerbyebye’s advice was spot on.

Don’t feed the drama, you’ve shown your cards before… she doesn’t care.

Don’t engage, don’t explain, just decline.

Tramadolly · 03/11/2023 19:37

This is taking up waaaay too much of your headspace
I actually found it all quite exhausting to read
You need to go NC and stick to it
I'm an only child of an 87 yr old Covert Narc, I've been NC for nearly a year
It's not as if your Mother doesn't have support, she does
Just carry on with your life, the more you pander to her the more she can emotionally and mentally abuse you

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