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Maybe I’m too harsh but I can’t help but think she’s entitled

23 replies

Bel0ved · 29/10/2023 14:28

Not really sure why I’m posting- probably more for a vent but I’m getting so tired of this broken record.

I have a good friend I met through work. We also have a couple of mutual friends from outside work. She’s had a tough year, and about 18 months ago her long term boyfriend (no children) left her for another woman. She was obviously completely devastated. They had a house together that they only bought about two years before, which from my understanding is jointly owned, but he had put a large deposit into from an inheritance he received.

So when he left they agreed to put the house on the market and until it sold he would continue to pay half of the mortgage and bills etc. From what I heard through mutual friends, he agreed to this because he wanted the house sold as soon as possible and was worried she would try to delay.

Flash forward almost a year and sure enough, she’d done everything in her power to stall the house sale as he’d anticipated- from refusing (sorry “forgetting”) to sign paperwork, to not letting viewers round when she’s not there and conveniently not being there when someone wants to come to view. She’s also rejected very reasonable offers. When I’ve spoken to her she’s taken the view that it’s his fault that he cheated and it’s only right he pays his own rent and bills, and half her mortgage and household bills indefinitely.

The financial pressure must’ve got too much for him as he finally told her he wouldn’t be paying her bills anymore, and she now has to front all the costs for the house until it sells. The mortgage is very affordable, especially for the area, and fixed on a very low rate from before the world started going crazy. She works full time, no kids and can afford it, but at every opportunity she gets she complains about how unfair it all is that he’s no longer paying for her to live there.

A couple of weekends ago I went to a birthday party of mutual friends where her ex and his new gf (the OW) were. OW is expecting, and out of loyalty to my friend I really wanted to not like her. The trouble is she’s actually a very funny, charismatic person you can’t help but like, and her and the ex looked undeniably happy, and everyone says how much happier he has been since leaving my friend.

Anyway, this week my friend has (once again) been laying into her ex. The boiler has broken down and she asked him to pay to fix it as officially it’s his house too, and he has in no uncertain terms told her no, he can’t afford to. My friend is livid and will not stop going on about the injustice.

Now, don’t get me wrong I do not condone cheating. But that said, it’s been a year and half, my friend says she’s over him and would never want him back even if OW wasn’t pregnant, they were also never married and never had children. I can’t understand why my friend has no pride at this point and keeps trying to leech off of her ex who has clearly moved on and has no legal responsibility to her. It’s getting very hard to have sympathy for her situation when there are so many people out there struggling through worse hardships through no fault of their own. My own mother was left destitute when my ex-step dad left her out of the blue. He certainly didn’t continue to pay for her to live in the marital home for a year (and they were married!) It was hard, but it’s the reality of relationship breakdowns.

She continually keeps delaying everything with the sale and will probably be in for a shock as friends have told me he is taking legal action to force a sale of the house. She naively keeps saying he couldn’t afford to do that, but I don’t think she realises that the costs could come out of the sale of the house, or her ordered to pay his legal fees for her stalling.

It’s just getting very difficult because she’s my friend and I want to be on her side. I was disgusted when I found out about his cheating, but I’m also getting incredibly disgusted by her attitude this far down the line. I even pointed out that the only person really going to suffer by her delaying the sale and demanding money at every turn is the baby (the only innocent person in all this mess), but she literally says she doesn’t care.

As much as I don’t condone cheating (and I feel like the worst person for saying this), I 100% see why he left her and I’m supposedly one of her best friends! I’ve pointed out that selling the house (or buying him out) would be good for her mentally and emotionally to get closure, but she just continues in this bitter pursuit of “getting even”. I’m really starting to question whether I can continue to be friends with someone so blinded by hate, and I’m so tired of hearing it now if I’m completely honest.

Maybe I’m being too harsh? It can’t have been easy what she went through, and maybe she isn’t actually as over him as she says. Maybe I need to take a step back from her to preserve our friendship?

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Tiredbehyondbelief · 29/10/2023 14:32

I would take a step back

4naansjeremy · 29/10/2023 14:33

Two steps

AutumnFroglets · 29/10/2023 14:35

That is an awfully long post to say your friend isn't over her ex and is punishing him by refusing to sell the house. Or did I miss something?

Maybe I need to take a step back from her to preserve our friendship?
Yes. Or tell her you can no longer emotionally support her where the ex, ow or house/bills is involved. Then keep changing the subject. It will either work or she will end your relationship but at least you tried to compromise.

MajorBarbara · 29/10/2023 14:39

Are you really the bloke? Or the OW? Or both?

BananaHamster · 29/10/2023 14:39

I wouldn't be friends with someone like that. What a leech.

Bel0ved · 29/10/2023 14:47

Actually, @AutumnFroglets I think you nailed it.
I want to believe she’s over him because of all the time that’s passed and some days she seems like she is and says she is, but actions speak louder than words don’t they.
I’ll try to find a way to divert the conversation to stop her going full flow. Or stop making plans with her outside of work for the foreseeable if that works.
I just needed a big old vent to see if it’s really just me after a 3 hour FaceTime with her earlier. Time I’ll never get back even with a clock change.

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Bel0ved · 29/10/2023 14:49

🤣 @MajorBarbara plot twist!! Nah, I’m just the sad sap with poor boundaries who gets sucked into other people’s drama.

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AutumnFroglets · 29/10/2023 14:57

I just needed a big old vent to see if it’s really just me after a 3 hour FaceTime with her earlier. Time I’ll never get back even with a clock change.
Yikes!!! 😱

Glad to be of service Grin I think you need (somehow) to tell her this before she starts again. Or take the wimps (mine) way out and have a list of good distraction subjects by your phone and as soon as she takes a deep breath go "oh did you hear about...?. Look at the weather board about the storm for this Wednesday for one distraction talk 😉

MajorBarbara · 29/10/2023 14:59

Bel0ved · 29/10/2023 14:49

🤣 @MajorBarbara plot twist!! Nah, I’m just the sad sap with poor boundaries who gets sucked into other people’s drama.

I can see that what she's doing is kind of unhelpful and obstructive, but I can also understand it perfectly. I think you're on a hiding to nothing if you try to intervene or to affect the course of events.

Bel0ved · 29/10/2023 15:13

@AutumnFroglets what would we ever small talk about without the weather. Thank goodness it’s a bad week!
Good advice, thank you so much x

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Bel0ved · 29/10/2023 15:23

@MajorBarbara that’s exactly right. I understand her behaviour to a point, but I just don’t think it’s healthy at all or going to help her move on. But sometimes people can’t or won’t hear it and there is nothing you can do. I just have to do as PP said and keep the conversation light. It just makes me sad because we’ve been friends for a number of years and thought we’d got quite close, but I’m just watching her turn into the worst version of herself and not helping herself at all. But no, I can’t change the course she’s on and just have to let it play out. From a safe distance.

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BagelsForBreakfast · 29/10/2023 15:24

I'd start moonwalking...really quickly

Dorkyduck · 29/10/2023 15:25

It sounds to me like she isn't over him. By delaying the sale of the house she still has some power/connection to him. What she needs is to get the house sold and cut all ties, start again. Some people just find it hard to let go. Hopefully in her own time she will find a way to let go and move on. Rather than just resenting him and his new partner. I don't condone the cheating in any way and she will be hurt. But she needs to accept what he's done and realise she deserves better.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 29/10/2023 15:44

Maybe I need to take a step back from her to preserve our friendship?

yes 1000%
you will
be better for it

Bel0ved · 29/10/2023 15:53

That’s exactly right and what I’ve told her time and time again, that she deserves so much more. I understand her self esteem took a big hit, which is why I think I’ve listened to all of this for so long, but she needs to believe it herself and no one seems to be able to convince her. I know I’ve not painted her in a great light in my post but when she isn’t on the warpath she’s currently on she can be so sweet and has so much to offer the right person. It just wasn’t him. The sooner all ties are cut the sooner that can happen. But it’s a brick wall currently.

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PierceMorgansChin · 29/10/2023 16:34

You sound like a shitty friend

MajorBarbara · 29/10/2023 16:59

PierceMorgansChin · 29/10/2023 16:34

You sound like a shitty friend

I don't think so. Don't be mean.

PierceMorgansChin · 29/10/2023 17:22

MajorBarbara · 29/10/2023 16:59

I don't think so. Don't be mean.

I don't care much about what you think

AnneLovesGilbert · 29/10/2023 17:32

You sound like a good friend who’s tolerated more than many would and has got to the end of her rope. Fair enough!

You’ve tried to reason with her, if she’s stuck where she is just step back as others have said. People have to help themselves.

Did she want to marry him and have children?

DustyRhodesYell · 29/10/2023 17:36

I also think you sound like a good friend. I have no time for people not moving on/ holding a grudge. She needs to hear the truth, it's been a while, she needs to move on with her life. What does punishing her ex really achieve?

catsnore · 29/10/2023 17:53

I think you'll have to start shutting her down whenever the subject starts up. Say something like - 'I'm really sorry but can we talk about something else?' If you do it enough times she'll have to get the message 😂

Lili132 · 29/10/2023 18:53

I think she's unreasonable but also cheating can really mess with someone's head. It can be extremely traumatic and life changing experience and if he wasn't happy he could have left.

Stomacharmeleon · 29/10/2023 20:35

@PierceMorgansChin being a good friend means calling your fronds out when they are being Twats. She is clearly being a twat and her friend has emotional fatigue. It happens. So she either calls her out (might do her good) or walk away.
I would call her out.

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