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Do I need to worry?

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Partyintheusa2012 · 17/10/2023 14:33

I can't work out whether I'm just being incredibly paranoid, or whether my husband is showing all the signs of having an affair.

I'll preface this by saying he has always been very vocal about people who cheat, and until I few months ago, I honestly would not have even considered it as a possibility.

So a few months ago I unlocked his iPhone because he asked me to take a photo (I didn't have my phone handy). It opened immediately to WhatsApp, and it asked for Face ID. Obviously I swiped out of it and took the photo, but afterwards I asked him why he'd locked WhatsApp.

He just shrugged and said he hadn't realised he'd done it.... yet it's still locked several months later.

He's clearly forgotten but I added my face to his Face ID a month or so before, and told him I was going to do it. I was wearing sunglasses at the time, so it wouldn't have opened.

He regularly doesn't save numbers to his contacts, so his WhatsApp is full of work contacts messaging him (despite him having a work phone and carrying it constantly) with no names on them.

I haven't yet gone through his WhatsApp - but it's something I'm thinking of doing because of everything else.

We've always known each other's phone code, and obviously I can get into WhatsApp with the passcode anyway - but I wonder if he's locked it so that the messages don't show up on his phone's lock screen.

Then he started at a new gym about 6 months ago. Recently he's been going to the gym for a 6pm class. He leaves 45 minutes before, for a class that is a 15 minute drive (I don't know what the parking is like). Then he doesn't get back until 45 minutes after the class.

He says that the class never starts on time, but this has been going on for weeks! There are classes before and after so I'm sure if they were late all the time there would be complaints. I've checked the schedule and the classes are listed to start when he says they are.

He's been having a stressful time at work - and then suddenly in July he decided on a Tuesday, that he needed to get away and so took himself off to a fitness retreat in another country, about a 3 hour flight away. He stayed two nights and then came back. It was very last minute and it was a bit out of character.

He has had to travel for work a lot since September. Initially he was away for two weeks and was sending photo messages to the kids iPads for those two weeks, plus texting me occasionally.

We don't text or call a lot when he's away, we never have, in over 20 years of being together. He's not a big phone talker and I am not a fan of lengthy text conversations. So that's not unusual.

He was away over the weekend of the 2 weeks as it was too far to come home and then go back again, and we got a few photos of him at the pool etc.

We don't live in the UK at the moment, but have a house there. Which we are currently clearing so we can rent it out. I was due to go to the UK to sort out the removals etc, but it had to be cancelled last minute as the tenants needed to delay.

The next week he was off to London and then on to Italy. So I suggested that he could go to the house at the weekend and the removals could come in then. He was not pleased at the suggestion.

He then said he had to go to Italy on the Thursday, and then all the following week, so he wouldn't be in the UK at the weekend. This was news to me and felt a little like a convenient excuse.

A day later he says he can fly into London early, and go to the house before he's due in London - which didn't make any sense. Things got pushed back again so it never became an issue.

His dad lives in Italy, alone and he is pretty old now. His health and mobility is deteriorating and all the family live in the UK. We've been talking about him going over for a weekend to see him and assess the situation.

So I asked him if he'd pop in to see his dad for the weekend while he's in country. It would be easy to do, based on where he was supposed to be. He pulled a face and just said he didn't think he'd be able to.....

Once he's in London (confirmed by photos he sent to the family chat) he then says that he's not sure he's going to Italy on the Thursday, might have to go elsewhere, and the meeting hasn't been confirmed.

Then, and only when I asked, he tells me he's in France. Apparently an unexpected meeting came up so he went. But he doesn't say Paris - he says France.

The whole thing just doesn't sit right. No photos were sent to the family chat over the weekend, despite him not working and being in a major city, which would usually spark a lot of photos.

All our photos upload automatically to the cloud, and I had a peek this morning, the photographs stop on Thursday and restart on Monday when he got to Rome.

Also, I asked his PA to send me his flight details when he is due to travel (as he's often told me the dates, but not included the travel time, which is often a day either side because of how far he travels - and it's mucked up our plans).

I have her number legitimately because we are often in contact about documents etc that need to be sent to the house/office while he is away.

She mentioned it to him and he was not impressed. Said I shouldn't bother her, and he would send me the dates, even when I pointed out he'd not sent me the full details the last couple of times.

Obviously sex is very limited given he's barely been here but it's been months since he's instigated it, and he often takes himself off to bed early as he gets up really early for work - so we barely see each other.

I feel like I should be starting to worry, something just feels off. Am I wrong?

Honesty please! Even if it's not good news, I'd rather get opinions from someone who doesn't know us.

OP posts:
MsDogLady · 22/10/2023 22:48

So the 45 extra minutes before and after the gym were key after all. Do you think she’s been traveling with him?

@Partyintheusa2012, I admire your fortitude and the way you’re handling his betrayal of you and the children.

Are you giving him the option to end the affair and rebuild your trust?

Brocollimatilda · 22/10/2023 22:48

Oh dear OP, I’m really so sorry.

Rania78 · 23/10/2023 01:54

Partyintheusa2012 · 22/10/2023 22:15

The messages themselves aren't obvious, but when you put everything together, it's the only thing that makes sense. Even if he denies it, I wouldn't believe him.

Yep we have kids, we also live abroad... oh the joys.

He is finding out tomorrow. I've printed all the screen shots I've taken, written him a letter and I'm going to leave it on his bedside table before I go out. I'm not going to argue the toss, he needs to have a serious think about logistics going forward.

All of which I've thought about, being the vulnerable one, but things I'm sure have never crossed his mind while he was out having fun. Reality is always going to be a bummer after the high of getting away with an affair.

I don't know her, she goes to his gym.

Next move is he needs to come up with a plan that works. He can decide which sacrifices our children have to make because of his decisions. I've set it out in black and white, and he needs to work through the options.

I'm expecting the mums net special of him turning out to be a more useless father than I ever would have thought, that way I won't be even more disappointed.

I'm not sure she's really signed up for a divorcee with 4 kids, so we'll see how long the interest lasts.

So sorry OP. Another super stupid man. He will be shocked when he sees your letter.
And what a vile woman to get involved with a married man with 4 children.

MsDogLady · 23/10/2023 03:52

Yes, he’s about to have to face the music. This pretender who denounces infidelity has been secretly playing fast and loose with the well-being of his Wife and children.

He’s been arrogantly confident in his subterfuge, so he will be stunned when he reads the letter.

Partyintheusa2012 · 23/10/2023 04:01

I don't think he was going to the gym nearly as often as he made out.

I think it was a convenient excuse to be out with her. A three hour time slot gives you plenty of time to do whatever you fancy.

I don't know as yet whether he will even want to earn my trust back; but I'm not sure that's possible.

I don't want to spend my life worrying about whether my husband is trustworthy. We had full access to each other's phones and I never went snooping, I didn't need to. He legitimately travels for work, and I don't really want to worry every time he leaves.

The idea of checking his phone and being paranoid doesn't really appeal to me.

When I initially realised what was probably going on, I was paralysed with fear because it's going to require such big changes, and I didn't want to have to move the kids to a different home, and possibly a different country. They are in a great place right now.

We are expats and move regularly, so it's a wrench to have to move them again, when they are now happily settled in schools and with great friends.

The stupid thing is, I would probably have been up for an open marriage - but then that would be for both of us. Right now he gets to shag about and I get to be the good wifey at home.

I think the marriage has run its course. I have several chronic diseases and he's never been great when I'm sick. We were probably drifting in different directions for a while anyway, so even if we get past this, what is left in the marriage?

I've been coming to the realisation for a while that perhaps marriage (whilst a very important legal contract if you are going to have kids) isn't really as sustainable when you can live to 100. That's a long time to be with someone, and to still work.

Financially I'll be fine. All our assets are in joint names and I have access to all of it. Today's job is to email statements of everything to myself before he finds out.

I have an open freelance job for whenever we move back home, so I could slot right back into a job if needs be. As for staying here, unless he wants to take over the running of the house and all the food shopping, he's going to have to leave me with financial access. Trust me, he's not going to want to do that. He has a very important job, don't you know rolling my eyes. Worst case scenario, I have plenty of friends who can lend me some money in the meantime (so I can leave the country and get home), and would be more than happy to given what's happened.

We are more than financially comfortable, and even half of our assets will be more than enough to set me up in a house and able to live happily.

I really don't need an enormous house or flashy car, the more money he's earned, the more I realise that I'm happy with simple. I can spend money, but I can also rein it in if needs be.

Having this outlet has been so helpful, thank you for the support, if anyone has any advice, please let me have it!

OP posts:
Pinkbonbon · 23/10/2023 05:47

You might be wise to get your share out of joint accounts into your own incase he drains them. It's been known in these situations for the bastards to entirely drain the accounts, leaving their blindsided partner with nothing. And especially considering he may want to stop you leaving or taking the kids out of the country.

I'd get your own bank account and transfer money in. You may in the divorce have to give some back but at least he can't leave you potless out of the blue.

I know you probably won't think he'd do that but last month you probably never thought he'd cheat either.

MsDogLady · 23/10/2023 06:03

@Partyintheusa2012, as a friend of mine says when she admires someone’s gumption, ‘You’ve got it going on!’

In the face of this blow, you’ve been able to move from paralysis to a position of strength, and have carefully analyzed the whole situation, options and ramifications.

It’s mind-boggling that he has repaid your huge efforts as his supportive partner in the expat world with adultery.

I know it would be the end of the line for me if my H ever perpetrated such faithless duplicity and disloyalty. It would be impossible to restore any semblance of trust, and I’d never place myself in a constant state of worry every time he left the house.

Whatever he throws at you after reading your letter, I know you’ll be ready for him.

Stupidliefromfriend · 23/10/2023 07:32

Well done OP. I'm so sorry and I've nothing really to offer except a handhold.

Rania78 · 23/10/2023 08:07

The stupid thing is, I would probably have been up for an open marriage - but then that would be for both of us. Right now he gets to shag about and I get to be the good wifey at home.

That’s the thing with cheaters. They want to cheat but being cheated. They deprive their partner from doing the same.

I've been coming to the realisation for a while that perhaps marriage (whilst a very important legal contract if you are going to have kids) isn't really as sustainable when you can live to 100. That's a long time to be with someone, and to still work.

I couldn’t agree more.

mynamechangemyrules · 23/10/2023 09:54

@Partyintheusa2012 I divorced while an expat (3 kids, all settled and I had the job there). I was sure we'd stay and tick along as co parents abroad.

Marital assets were all cleared out of the banks by him within 30mins of me telling him- I was driving along with all these bank notifications popping up! Divorce law in our country of residence, whilst based on UK law, had not modernised and meant the share was 27% to me (despite me always contributing- but my salary proportionately lower so lower contributions- and always doing 100% of any childcare).

There was a great group for people divorcing as expats in that country and it saved my sanity.

Am now back in the UK and skint but pleased to have family and old friends around. Miss my other country lifestyle but wouldn't have been able to maintain it without his subsidising and he's a massive twat so he could just hold it over us the whole time. Here I have universal credit on my side and family for all the times he fails to turn up.

Sorry for the lengthy post- the main message was meant to be:

Don't think he'll do anything supportive at all and prepare to fight to get what you want. I thought I didn't care too much about the money but that was because I had some 😂 Now I have no money and no buffer/ no savings/ no pension... I wish I'd fought for the money!

Partyintheusa2012 · 23/10/2023 21:54

I went out with a friend tonight, left all the evidence and a letter from me, for him to find.

His reply:

"I know you don't want to talk tonight Let me know when you are ready and where and I will be there".

I got home and he's sleeping in with our son. I knew deep down there was no working thought this, but to have him accept it so easily is horrible.

Divorce is so bloody messy.

OP posts:
TrishyLou1111 · 23/10/2023 22:13

Partyintheusa2012 · 23/10/2023 21:54

I went out with a friend tonight, left all the evidence and a letter from me, for him to find.

His reply:

"I know you don't want to talk tonight Let me know when you are ready and where and I will be there".

I got home and he's sleeping in with our son. I knew deep down there was no working thought this, but to have him accept it so easily is horrible.

Divorce is so bloody messy.

I feel gutted for you.

Hope you're okay x

MsDogLady · 24/10/2023 03:47

Oh, Party, his limp, detached response must hurt so much.

This faithless, unjust man unilaterally changed the parameters of your marriage to sneakily chase thrills while you were going above and beyond for him and the children. You’ve been the family’s backbone and champion during and after the repeated moves, enabling his success and helping your 4 children settle and soar time and again.

He chose the unethical path when other honest options were available, and his current lukewarm response when you are crushed is one more example of his cowardice and deficient moral compass.

I know you’ve had some time to start coming to terms with this huge life change, but his indifference stings nonetheless. I hope you will be able to practice self-care and find some peace in the midst of this upheaval. You’ve mentioned friends who will rally, and the friend you went out with certainly sounds ace.

I’m so sorry that he has let you and the children down so spectacularly.

Littlemisslonley · 24/10/2023 08:50

I have been following and I'm so sorry.

Withdraw as much as you can without taking the piss from the joint account if you can so if he turns nasty you have some money behind you. I'm sorry op....

I am going to follow this and support you when you need it I'm sorry x

SparklyStone · 24/10/2023 09:10

I’m so sorry 💐, I’ve been through this (though not in a foreign country). At points it’s so hard, but ultimately you’ll get there and it will be alright in the end. X

Pollyannamex · 25/10/2023 11:47

Sorry you are going through this OP.

Olika · 25/10/2023 12:21

I am so sorry you have to go through this. Stay strong and focused. Flowers

StopStartStop · 25/10/2023 12:41

I couldn't read all of the opening post - I was blinded by the field of red flags already flying. Your update is very sad. But - don't let him talk you round. 'Cold anger' is a good attitude and 'shark mode' is best. Can you line up legal help? Don't agree to anything he suggests, it will be in his best interest not in yours.

MsDogLady · 25/10/2023 17:14

How are you, @Partyintheusa2012?

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