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awful H, want to split - but how?

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theansweris42 · 10/10/2023 22:11

hi I am posting for support really, as I know my marriage is over. I think (!)

I have posted before etc. I haven't name chnaged, nothing to hide. I'm just a damaged person. I have held no boundaries etc I await therapy - I have done CBT and counselling - I need something deeper and have been assessed etc. I guess the wait will be long.

H and I married nearly 8 years together for 10. He was my first love age 16 to 19 (am now 50).

During the 25 years in between I was with my DS's (13 and 14) father who was and is financially, emotionally, psychologically abusive. Escalated when pregnant and thereafter. Left with my DC and suitcases. We weren't married so I started from nothing again.

H and I got together again, he was tender, loving, supportive and attractive.
Since we got married we have had a tumultuous time, he is a drinker and it has sometimes been way too much. Other times less, or sober.

We both had awful childhoods and prone to anxiety and low mood but support each other and have a lot of laughs.

DS1 has OCD and low mood. He has lost a lot of weight and it is heartbreaking. We have CAMHS at the side but he can't engage with any therapy at the moment.
DS2 awaits autism assessment. He is clearly PDA and needs intense support from me and will accept only me.

3 months ago they both decided to not be in touch with their father as he is awful to them. They have just had enough. Ex is furious keeps messaging me to "arrange for them to speak to him" .

Last few years been v difficult. 2020-21 H had 1.5 years off work with back pain.

I worked in NHS through covid but for last 2.5 years been bullied by my manager; my mental health is gone. I have needed some flexibility and work have paid lipservice but not been supprtive. Manager bullied me before but having fibromyalgia and 2 needy kids has given him even more power over me. I have given notice (finish end Dec). No job secured but I will get a job and if not I can do nursing shlfts.

2022 I had a few weeks off diagnosed with Fibromyalgia. This summer I had another month off with anxiety about manager and as I say, am holding on by a thread it feels like. Am back at work.

January 2023 FIL died. H grieving and took about 5 months off work so again at home all the time. Drinking in the evenings. On occasion becomes argumentative, bordering on abusive. He loves film and TV but us either at work or in the living room. The DC feel like they can't use it. H just says "yes come in you pick the TV" but then huffs and sighs when they want to watch young people stuff. And may also be drunk and crappy. They are both sensitive and can't be bothered with this.

H inherited a tidy non life changing sum. He took us on a holiday of his choice which was extremely hard on me because of looking after the DC. But we sort of had a good time. He spent some on himself, gave me a small amount as a gift, paid of all his debt bar mortgage (which is joint).
The rest he has made arrangments to max his pension with and as a result feels a bit poorer month to month but has a nest egg and a bigger pension pot. He did not discuss this with me and I only know because I asked.

For the first 6 years I earned more even though I had (and have) unsecured debt as a result of ex- behaviour and then having to start with nothing. Because I earned more I covered food and household things but we split the bills. He didn't have much spare money (after alcohol supplies purchased). I paid for days out and modest holidays.

H has been contributing to food, 25% of the month's cost (less really, given the price rises and top up shops) for a few months.

He has now decided this is too much as he "doesn't eat much". Also the food he likes is not always in the fridge. Also when I make dinner after work and trying to care for DC it gets late and he is hungry so he'd rather sort himself out.
He also said he has been going to work hungry on an afternoon shift and that's not OK. I know, I know.

SInce he made this decision he's still asked if he can share meals I have cooked, taken food as usual from the kitchen etc. I have said that's not what he set out as the new arrangement and that I do not want to be the food police or live like students. He just shrugs. Eats DC ice cream.

This evening I had made chicken for me and DS2. DS1 doesn't always eat which is such a big worry. I had no idea when or when H had or would eat. H went out and got chinese. So, not money saving. And this is one thing we can always tempt DS1 with, and H just fucked off out, got himself Chinese and a second bottle of wine. Sat in the living room watching TV with his wine and his takeaway. I went in (to my own living room!) and soon came out, because he is so self righteous/drunk/unpleasant. He told me he was annoyed I had made chicken and "left him out" even though that is exactly what he said he wanted.

I have told him any number of times that the drunken verbal abuse is not acceptable and warned him that it will be a deal breaker. I have tried to be understanding about his bereavement and that the DSs significant and different needs are very difficult and would impact any marriage. But now, the deal is broken.

We barely have sex (his choice - he says not his "choice" - that he just doesn't always (ever) think about it and/or the kids are always here. But prior to the last few weeks they were at their father's regularly and it was the same. We have talked about it many many times. He says he'll make more effort and doesn't. I accept that this is how he wants it to be.

He lacks motivation - I have to chase up DIY type jobs he has planned. He promised to build a shed to allow the garage he monopolises to be a second sitting space but just hasn't. He won't, I know that now.

Financially we both earn OK - he now has no debt payments and has savings. I am still servicing debt and trying to overpay it and get rid of it. No surplus cash month to month. No savings. And after new year, no job! We have no family backup really. He can expect another inheritance, I cannot.

I paid deposit and legal fees on this house purchase. We have both spent money on improvements.

So how do I get him to go? He will make a fuss and say it is half his house and he has nowhere to go. He phsyically will not leave and be here with his drunk negative presence and be angry if I ask him to move rooms or whatever. Also snores - unbelievably loud and drunken moving in his sleep. I asked him to trial a CPAP and then he missed the return date for the rental period and so bought it and now is angry with me for "wasting money".

HOW DO WOMEN GET THIS SORTED??
I can't buy him out of the house.
I can't remove him.
I can't afford this house alone.
I have looked at rentals and the prices!
I could move with DC to some remote place and tell no-one where we live....

ah! it is illuminating to type this all out. I would be so grateful if anyone can help me see a way out. It's the finances really. Also his drunk presence is unacceptable for me and the DC especially and I am feeling increasingly anxious (and angry).

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Mmhmmn · 11/10/2023 00:35

On the plus side OP
,you’ve realised and decided you want out. That’s progress.

You will soon finish a job in which you’re being bullied and you can escape your manager and do something else. Hallelujah.

Your boys have made their minds up that they don’t want to see their father. So why do you need to be in touch with him at all? Surely if they say they don’t want to see him no one can make them?

Can you cast the net a bit wider for other, more reasonably priced places to live?

I don’t know anything of the legalities of getting spouse to halve the house but someone hopefully will be along soon who does…

Mmhmmn · 11/10/2023 00:37

DS1 and his eating might benefit a lot from not having to live with “D”H…

Acornsoup · 11/10/2023 00:50

Could he buy you out OP and you and DC could have a fresh start somewhere new?

Everything will be easier once you are out OP. Meal times, home work, relaxing, stability try and focus on those things to keep you going Flowers

theansweris42 · 11/10/2023 00:50

Thank you mmhmmn for your reply.
I believe DS1 mental ill health relates to his father's treatment of him but I agree not having H here will likely help him.
They will be sad as they do all get on but they'll recover.
With their farher DS2 never wants to see him again, DS1 thinks he will do when he's better.

Yes I'll have to keep looking at rentals. There's probably a bit of equity in this house I'll book a valuation.

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theansweris42 · 11/10/2023 00:55

Thank you acorn
You are so RIGHT, all those things are made more difficult by him being here. I'd lost sight of that...even mealtimes he is making difficulties...

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ThisWormHasTurned · 11/10/2023 01:05

If you go on entitledto.com you’ll be able to get an estimate of how much you’d get in terms of benefits. You’d probably be entitled to legal aid too, get booked in with a solicitor for your first free 30 minute slot to see what they advise. You might be able to claim PIP as well with Fibro although be warned, it’s a tough service to go through. You will need to be strong enough to fight for it. Do you get maintenance from your ex?
You might be able to force the sale of the house. Ask a solicitor. Don’t make any big declarations now. Start doing your homework. Look for other jobs. Most places are crying out for nurses. I actually left my miserable H (now XH) and got promoted with office hours! Not easy financially but it can be done. Good luck OP. You and your kids deserve better.

Tbry · 11/10/2023 01:06

Sorry to hear about your dilemma, are you in an expensive part of the country? A move to a cheaper area would probably be for the best all around for you and your Ds’s. Away from the dreadful behaviour of their father and Step father.

Also has your CBT not helped with boundaries? I had similar therapy 18 months ago and still struggling as I have never known hoe to set boundaries before as I people please due to trauma (if you are like me it’s how we end up in these dire situations) 💐

theansweris42 · 11/10/2023 01:14

Yes Tbry exactly that, trauma/people pleasing.

Its so good to read all the words of support, thank you

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AbbeyGailsParty · 11/10/2023 02:22

I could move with DC to some remote place and tell no-one where we live....

I did exactly that. Best thing I ever did. BUT the house was in my name. You have to find a way of getting your money from the house. See if Women’s Aid can advise.
Your dc mental health will improve from not living with a belligerent drunk.
You never have to see him again.

Check all the benefits you’ll be entitled to. Claim pip if possible, I know fibro varies but claim on your worst day.
If you’re a hcp there is always work wherever you go.

Life with a drunk is a downward spiral I found.

theansweris42 · 11/10/2023 06:32

ThisWormHasTurned thank you.

I am being as strong as I can, am typing this sitting outside bathroom as DS tries to get out of the shower. He's crying bcos his skin is so sore.

I will do another job search today.
You are right I will focus on the practical.
There must be and end to all this.

AbbeyGailsParty things are complicare work because I can't leave DS2 more than 5 hours.

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theansweris42 · 11/10/2023 06:34

AbbeyGailsParty
Clicked too soon...thank you for your support . Moving away just quietly is very tempting.
He is a belligerent drunk. Ugh.

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Pockettopic · 11/10/2023 07:01

I think in your situation I would contact a solicitor. Start to make a plan. Look on entitled to as well. Due to his alcohol issues I wouldn’t mention to dh until you’re ready to move if that is the plan.

Cadenza12 · 11/10/2023 07:06

I would say that you need a plan. Firstly legal advice to work out what you need to do, how you stand financially. Have you seen HR? They may be able to help you change your location. If you leave you could claim constructive dismissal and they will want to avoid that possibility. I'd make efforts to keep your children away from DH as much as possible. You need to be calm and in control for their sake. Take one day at a time.

payaklw · 11/10/2023 08:10

Do you have any joint money? If so, I would use some of it to pay off your own debts. If H has only contributed 25% of the food costs, then you're owed some money

JJ8765 · 11/10/2023 08:24

You can claim UC and help with rent if you leave while the divorce / house is sorted. You can’t get this forever if you own capital but an adjustment period is allowed. Could you claim carers allowance for looking after your dc? Do the benefits calculator and see if you could afford to get by if you left. Are dc getting dla? Jobs etc can wait - if you are nhs I assume you can work in any location. There’s always care work or working in Sen school etc. My friend left and rented it took 2 years to get money out house but she got the same she would if she had stayed and avoided all the abuse and control and got UC in meantime. She did get an PT job after she moved. Obviously being on mortgage is an issue but there are mortgage holidays etc if he won’t pay the mortgage. See what benefits you can claim and where you can afford to rent with UC. If you are entitled to carers allowance you won’t face the same work requirements under UC.

theansweris42 · 11/10/2023 10:29

Thank you so much.

I'm a nurse by background currently working in...HR! Sigh. I've never known such a toxic HR dept. I'm seriously considering an Employment Tribunal but - the headspace/stress/poss effect on career. Sigh.

Am also starting EHCP application for DS2 so it's hard.

I've just requested DLA claim forms for them both. I will look into Carers Allowance thank you.

We don't have shared money, we have a joint account for all the bills. It has a small surplus month to month. We've never had extra money or savings; now that he does it's very clear that it's all his. Which I get (I would defo have used it as joint money tho), it's the just not talking about it with me rankles.

I've paid 75% of groceries bcos it is me and DSs. I felt I should cover them.

I am NHS and yes can move around but have to wait for suitable vacancies and I can't afford a gap in income. Also my Mum is 10 mins away and is frail, heart failure so may basically die anytime.

I will have look at all the benefits options now. And book a house valuation. And look at solicitors.

I am furious with self because I left their abusive father and brought the kids back from Australia (with permission but he was angry etc) and went on the breadline and started again. And now I might have put myself back there again! I think I want to avoid that at all costs.

I won't say anything to H until more info/have a plan. Kids and I are fine as a 3.

I really appreciate your time and input.

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theansweris42 · 15/10/2023 10:59

Putting this here as a record for me.

During the following days, we're trying to be civil and are sort of speaking.

On Friday DS was in the shower for 10 hours. It is heartbreaking.

H still holding onto trying to use behavioural methods. With both. DS2 is autistic, it is not right for either. H not being massively authoritarian (he holds it back) but doesn't get it. I've sent websites, links to videos, bought (and read) books, he's read a little bit of it, at most.

I have undx ADHD and am always busy. Sometimes things take a few days to complete (not massive, maybe a small pile of clothes in the bedroom or couple of cupboards untidy). H doesn't say anything at the time about being annoyed, I think nothing of it. It comes out in a drunken rant at some point, with judgement and derision.

He says that I am always against him; if he expresses an opinion (about anything) and I have a different one, if I voice it, this is going against him.

If he proposes a strategy for a behaviour of DS2 and I say let's try something else (because i have done the hard yards of learning and experimenting) it is going against him.

He says I ask him questions with the express intention of disagreeing with the answer, whatever it may be. This isn't true.

If he is snappy and I am snappy back, later on I will hear about "the way I speak to him". He doesn't accept that we were both snappy and stressed - seems to downplay his comment and overemphasise mine. Gets annoyed. On Friday I asked how he'd manage being drunkenly berated in an evening and said that I have been (overly) tolerant about that. He looked a bit sheepish.

Friday afternoon he mentioned his getting us all a takeaway from our favourite place. Boys like it but they prefer to go there to eat and H knows this. In the afternoon I said as we dont know when DS1 wil be ready, if ever and DS2 won't want the takeaway, I think no.

Later on I was making food (not for H as he has arranged) he said " I have offered a takeaway and now you are cooking for you 3" I told him I'd said not today and as it transpired DS1 was still in the shower. He went out again muttering "but I have offered a takeaway" as if he couldn't fathom why this offer wasn't gratefully accepted.

I feel he had an idea of 'me' from years ago, which he could adjust to the 'me' of when we reconnected but not the 'me' of now with my poor health and 2 DS with high needs. He resents the time DS2 in particular, requires.

He can be contemptuous and dismissive. We've always had ups and downs which have generally been good high ups for a short time and then longer, flat or disconnected periods. His drinking is a big problem.
Things have changed since he received this inheritance - I'm just realising that now which shows how useful it is to post.

Also things have changed since the DSs have decided not to see their father. No DS free days. And both off school. No DS free time at all.

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