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Is this ok or a big red flag?

46 replies

Hei253 · 06/10/2023 00:08

So I'm posting about my best friend (m40) as he's constantly doing things that make me cringe, which I do tell him, but he thinks it's perfectly reasonable behaviour. Hence why I'm posting on here to see what everyone else thinks.
So basically my friend is single and has been on dating sites for ages (there's nothing wrong with him, just not stunning looking so often gets overlooked). He matched with this woman and they started chatting and were arranging to meet for a first date. Now my friend lives in one county and works shifts in another county 90 miles away ( 4 days on, 4 days off pattern) and he rents a room in a friend's house whilst he's over there for work. This woman who he was chatting to lived closer to where he works and she has kids who live with her during the week and see their dad at the weekend apparently.
Due to his shift pattern and her childcare commitments they had arranged to meet one Saturday evening but this was right in the middle of his days off so he would be doing 180 mile round trip just for this date.
He had been open and honest with this woman from the start about his situation and she seemed to understand this, however he had apparently asked this woman if he could stay at her house for the evening after their date to save him traveling back 2 hours the same night.
Now my friend can be an absolute gent and there's no way he was expecting sex from this woman on a first date unless she felt comfortable doing so and if she were to initiate anything. No, instead my friend actually suggested he bring his airbed and he could sleep downstairs! Needless to say, the date never went ahead and she ended up blocking him.
Now obviously this woman could've changed her mind about the date for any number of reasons but me being a single female too pointed out to my friend that if a guy suggested that to me that would be a huge red flag and I wouldn't go on the date either. I mean it's fine if the date goes really well and as two consenting adults you decide to spend the night together. But what if it doesn't go well and then instead of being able to say ' It's been nice meeting you but I don't think we'll be having a second date' you're awkwardly having to take them back to your house and accommodate them for the evening. The thought of that would put any woman off surely. Not to mention thinking of her own safety having not met my friend before, she wouldn't know if he was a serial killer or not ( he's not btw).
My friend's attitude was that it was a perfectly reasonable request having explained his situation to her, and that this is something he'd done in the past a couple of times with other women he'd met for dates when he was younger!!!!
I mean the fact he suggested it once is bad enough, let alone more than once. I despair! I told him that as it wasn't possible to stay at his usual digs then he should've rearranged the date for a day that was more convenient for both of them, or he could've booked into a hotel or Airbnb instead if he didn't want to drive back the same night.
Was he being unreasonable in his request to this woman or do you think this is ok? I'm dying to know

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Hei253 · 06/10/2023 09:40

Hersecretserviceyourmaj · 06/10/2023 03:13

😂

Love it

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Hei253 · 06/10/2023 09:41

IslandAngle · 06/10/2023 00:52

He was being totally unreasonable, for all the reasons you mention.
God, I had dates where I knew after 10 mins it was a no. Imagine if I’d have made that kind of arrangement.

Exactly

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SamW98 · 06/10/2023 09:45

I’m on OLD and had a few men ask to stay at mine or me stay at theirs before we’ve even met - I always say no and if they push it then delete.

In his head it’s innocent but surely he must understand how a woman would see it?

TibetanTerrah · 06/10/2023 09:52

He's either an idiot or not as much of a 'gent' as you think.

He had so many other options. Arrange the date for when he's at work and nearby? Book a travelodge?

Instead he came across as pushy and disrespectful. She has kids living with her ffs. What type of mother would agree to this?

Hei253 · 06/10/2023 09:58

Naunet · 06/10/2023 08:21

And by the way, I highly doubt him not being ‘stunning’ is the reason he doesn’t get many dates. The vast, vast majority of men with partners aren’t stunning either.

I agree that the majority of men with partners aren't stunning either but I do get that in a world of swiping left or right based purely on the first picture (let's face it how many people actually read the bios and look at the other pics too) it's very easy to get overlooked when you're just an ordinary guy or girl.
I have the same problem with dating sites too. It doesn't matter how picky or open minded I am with who I swipe right to, the vast vast majority don't swipe right for me either and when they do they rarely engage in any conversation. I would say I'm average looking but I certainly don't conform to the whole pouting selfies with tons of make up and fake eyelashes kind of look that a lot of men go for. Of course I would rather meet a normal guy who likes me for being normal too but that's so hard to find when dating sites are set up to be so superficial.

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Stressfordays · 06/10/2023 09:58

Id have blocked him too tbh. I get this suggestion a lot and always just block as it puts pressure on you. Even if they're not expecting sex (they usually are), it completely takes away that safety aspect that if the date isn't what you expect, you can end it quickly and escape.

Hei253 · 06/10/2023 10:02

Shodan · 06/10/2023 08:33

Interesting that the idea of booking a Premier Inn or something didn't occur to him!

I would have refused the date and blocked him. Cheeky bastard.

It probably did, but knowing he can be a bit tight with money sometimes he probably thought that asking to bring his airbed and stay at hers was the better option than to cancel or rearrange the date!

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Hei253 · 06/10/2023 10:18

SamW98 · 06/10/2023 09:45

I’m on OLD and had a few men ask to stay at mine or me stay at theirs before we’ve even met - I always say no and if they push it then delete.

In his head it’s innocent but surely he must understand how a woman would see it?

Yeah I believe he did see it as totally innocent and he would never push this on anyone. He really isn't that type of guy.
Apparently she had said that it would be ok and she'd let him know where she had chosen for their date (meal in a restaurant, drinks at a bar, etc) at the weekend which was a day or so after him asking to stay over. But the weekend came and she never replied back to him about that date.
I told him that his request would've put me off totally and that's probably why she ended up not going on the date and blocking him. And her saying it would be ok was probably just being polite at the time but knowing full well that it was a huge red flag and that she wouldn't be meeting him after all.
I mean, she could've just said 'no I wouldn't feel comfortable with that' and he would've respected that, but really he shouldn't have even asked in the first place. Sometimes he's just a bit of an idiot when it comes to what's reasonable and what's not and if no one has ever actually challenged him before then how would he know?

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bevm72yellow · 06/10/2023 10:22

He does not see the woman's safety point of view at all. No self awareness. Needs a course in self awareness. Omg..😂

Hei253 · 06/10/2023 10:23

TibetanTerrah · 06/10/2023 09:52

He's either an idiot or not as much of a 'gent' as you think.

He had so many other options. Arrange the date for when he's at work and nearby? Book a travelodge?

Instead he came across as pushy and disrespectful. She has kids living with her ffs. What type of mother would agree to this?

It was over the weekend so her kids would have been at their dad's but I totally get your point.

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Hei253 · 06/10/2023 22:15

Loubelle70 · 06/10/2023 00:41

Pmsl though....her "Would you like to come in for coffee?".
Him "i will get the airbed" 😂

Love it 🤣

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Seaoftroubles · 06/10/2023 22:38

No wonder he's single; Clueless, lacking common sense and awareness and totally unable to see her point of view re safety as he could have been a dodgy old perve for all she knew. I'm afraid he got exactly what he deserved!

CheekyHobson · 07/10/2023 00:10

It probably did, but knowing he can be a bit tight with money sometimes he probably thought that asking to bring his airbed and stay at hers was the better option than to cancel or rearrange the date!

Tight enough with money to think asking a woman to stay at her house on a first date is a good idea would be two red flags for me, I'm afraid.

Dotcheck · 07/10/2023 00:17

Hersecretserviceyourmaj · 06/10/2023 03:13

😂

’Give me a minute while I…. pump it up…’

Hersecretserviceyourmaj · 07/10/2023 00:50

Dotcheck · 07/10/2023 00:17

’Give me a minute while I…. pump it up…’

Too funny 😁

harerunner · 07/10/2023 03:40

He may be a "gent" who wouldn't try to push or pressurise, but his would-be date wouldn't know that, especially if they've never met before!

The fact he can't see this from her perspective indicates he's not nearly as emphatic as you say he is. If he's not displaying basic empathy with this, you can be sure he's not showing it in other subtle ways too, and women will tend to pick up on this!

JMSA · 07/10/2023 03:48

He definitely shows poor judgment, not only with the overnight thing, but also choosing someone in an impractical location.

strawberrysea · 07/10/2023 06:42

He was hoping that she would want to have sex with him and mentioned the air bed so that when he ghosted her/never saw her again he could insist that he was 'planning on sleeping downstairs' and so the blame is all on her.

He's not the 'gent' you think he is.

So creepy. He would be blocked by me.

Rockingchai · 07/10/2023 08:24

Loubelle70 · 06/10/2023 00:41

Pmsl though....her "Would you like to come in for coffee?".
Him "i will get the airbed" 😂

So funny

Catsafterme · 07/10/2023 11:32

Yeah, that's odd, I doubt anyone would see that as a good idea. He may be okay but they don't know each other, that's risky for her. Is he like this in other aspects, like lack of understanding or consideration for others elsewhere?

I've known guys who struggle to find dates, right and they feel like it's harder for them, women are interested in all these other guys, never them but actually a lot of times it's their own behavior or ways that really don't do them any favours. It's like any date they do actually get is dead in the water because they just cannot see how they put women off.

Also, you said for yourself about not being pouty or superficial on OLD like others, that would to me at least be a positive and there will be others who think the same.

Hei253 · 08/10/2023 01:52

Thank you for your comments 💜

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