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My daughter's friend

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NettleTea · 26/09/2023 10:18

Just after a bit of advice for my daughter, about a situation that has come up with one of her friends, which has upset her.

Im not actively involved, I dont meddle in her stuff, but I said I would ask here, because the ladies on here have good solid advice, and because as a family we have high levels of ADHD / ASD which sometimes confuses the boundaries and the normalness, and where we should comment or where we should back off.

My daughter has a friend, probably one of a small core group of 'best friends' - two girls, 2 boys, who have been really close for about 7-8 years, from around age 15 to now. They are in early 20s, kept in touch and maintained the close friendship bond through uni / lifes ups and downs at that age / different partners coming and going, etc. Speak regularly and meet up regularly too - either on one to ones or part of a smaller or wider group. Theyve generally got on OK with each others partners, and none of them have ever had a relationship with each other. Definately some ASD traits across the group, which may explain the ease of male/female relationships. Iver the years each of them have stayed here a ton of times, and are a group of really nice kids.

Its coming up to my daughter's birthday, and she traditionally would organise a group to get together - this year its a meal at a restaurant, but quite early in the evening. She hasnt been well so she cant do late nights at the moment, and she really isnt into the clubbing scene now (they did that in the past) so its not a wild time. There is a group of about 8 of them, the majority are not bringing partners, just because its not a big thing, and my daughter just wants her closest group.

The other girl in her tight group now has a new boyfriend of 2 months. And he is 'not letting' her come because one of the group coming is a boy that once, a long time ago, they almost slept together, but it felt wrong, so they didnt. This was way before she got with this guy, and Im not sure how he knows. He is of the belief that men and women cannot be friends, because men only want to sleep with women - that is the only way that they can interact. He has made my daughter's friend block this guy, even though he is part of the wider friendship group. He also didnt let her meet up with one of the closest group members, because despite their friendship spanning nearly a decade, 'it was wierd'.

He has told her that she can go to the meal if this boy doesnt come (who incidentally is head over heels with someone else) or she can not go to the meal if he does go, and that this is a problem for her and my daughter to sort out. And the problem is her own fault for almost getting with this guy in the first place. And there has been threats to dump her if she doesnt do what he says.

She seems to be hankering for the boyfriend to be invited, but firstly, that still doesnt seem as if the boy in question will be 'allowed' to be there, and secondly my daughter feels WTF is this bloke dictating who she can invite, and she doesnt trust him not to either ruin the tone or kick off. The friend has asked whether just the two of them could meet, to which my daughter said 'of course' but thats a seperate issue to the meal problem.

So its quite obvious to everyone (apart from the girl) that there are red flags a flying with this guy. That this level of control is really wrong. He also seems to have a very heavy coke problem, and there have been worrying SM posts about babies. This is a bright girl though, in a Russel group uni doing a very prestigious medical degree. But with increasingly dodgy boyfriends.

So advice for my daughter in how to handle this. What she should say. Whether she should advise her friend. The wider group are worried about her, and where it might lead.

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Lindy2 · 26/09/2023 10:31

The boyfriend is very controlling. Hopefully the young woman will realise this sooner rather than later.

To be honest I'd advise your daughter to say that the boyfriend trying to dictate who comes to the meal and not trusting her to meet her group of friends, is awful controlling behaviour and she'll have no part in it.

ArseMenagerie · 26/09/2023 10:33

I’d say if she can show the friend good boundaries now it might help. Your daughter says something along the lines of how wrong that is and she won’t be party to coercive control but makes it very very clear that she is here for her friend

Iloveacurry · 26/09/2023 10:51

She can be there for her friend. Obviously the relationship is wrong on so many levels! But on this occasion I think the friend and boyfriend shouldn’t come to her birthday dinner. Her male friend should be able to attend.

Opentooffers · 26/09/2023 11:10

It's up to her friend to make a stand, and if she is not willing or able to, so be it.

strawberry2017 · 26/09/2023 11:13

Well he's showing red flags all over the place!

KaySararSarar · 26/09/2023 11:22

in controlling relationships the controller often gets their way as they convince their partner what they’re saying is right or normal in relationships. Your DD doesn’t need to be mean or fall out with her friend, but she does need to tell her that this is not a normal response from her partner and is actually showing coercive and controlling traits > sad thing is he will likely now black list your daughter as a negative person trying to ruin their relationship…so she should get ahead of that by telling her that’s what he will say…

HerAvatar · 26/09/2023 11:31

ArseMenagerie · 26/09/2023 10:33

I’d say if she can show the friend good boundaries now it might help. Your daughter says something along the lines of how wrong that is and she won’t be party to coercive control but makes it very very clear that she is here for her friend

This, it's the only way to handle it imo, anything else allows friends bf to call the shots and that's to be avoided. You can't help someone in an abusive or controlling relationship unless they want to be helped and your daughter allowing her boundaries to be trampled is not the way to support her friend. Showing her how wrong her bf's behaviour and expectations are and how to stand up to him is far more useful, it's down to her then whether she listens.

Lastchancechica · 26/09/2023 11:42

Your dd must not invite him. This would be giving the message that this is okay behaviour. It isn’t.

Dd should send a message that she is worried about her friends new relationship, and that she hopes the friend will join the rest of the group, she is free for a chat or coffee any time.

Coercive relationships survive because everyone is expected to be polite and walk on eggshells.

NettleTea · 26/09/2023 11:55

Thank you, you are all reinforcing what I felt and have said, aprt from the naming of the coercive behaviour.
The girl is lovely, and she recognised this kind of behaviour with her previous boyfriend, who she left not that long ago. But he was more insecure and needy. This one seems really unpleasant.
There's background as to why she may not see this as unhealthy, but Id like to grab her from there and send her to the freedom programme. trouble is, at that age, you probably dont realise quite how unhealthy it all is. Its really sad, as she is so clever, and so smart, and has the whole world ahead of her, but loses it all over some lovebombing twat as her self belief is through the floor

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Irridescantshimmmer · 26/09/2023 12:02

I think the possessiveness of your DD friends bf is concerning and he has off the scale paranoia which goes hand in hand for dug use.

The dynamic of the friend group may change because of his demands and as the meal is to celebrate your daughters' birthday, it would not be quite the celebration it could be if there is a member of the friend group missing. The dynamics would shift if the young man was replaced with this induvidual who is trying to bulldoze his way into the friendship group. ......in an attempt to cause a massive pile up.

This is not only unfair on the group, its very unfair on your daughter so, the choice is for your daughters' friend to either drop this induvidual like a lead balloon or attend the meal without their friend and for the group of friends to hope the young man who would be uninvited to the meal has the maturity to not let the decision to uninvite him cause upset and break the link or bond which held them together for such a long time.

Or your daughters friend could end the relationship with the possessive induvidual and the group of friends could all enjoy celebrating your daughters birthday without interferance.

I hope this helps OP

NettleTea · 18/10/2023 21:16

just to update - my daughter's friend has finally dumped the arsehole. And she will be coming to the group meal with all her friends

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Luna42 · 18/10/2023 21:24

Wow! Amazing, I was just reading and your wonderful update popped up. Hope she's ok and he isn't causing her any issues after being dumped, maybe some advice about where to get help if he does.

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