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DM drunken rants - what would you do

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Sludgey · 20/09/2023 09:24

So not to drip feed, DM (70) has always been a heavy drinker and a bad drunk. Not a daily drinker but the kind that maybe around once a week would always get incredibly drunk - think not making sense, stumbling, refusing to get out of taxis and very often angry.

She’s a complex person - kind in so many ways, hard working but difficult and I suppose after a difficult marriage, has always felt hard done by (in many ways she was)
She’s the kind dichotomy whereby she will cook wholesome meals for her families health but heavily smoke around her frequently hospitalised asthmatic children.

She raised us alone, had a home secure but had to work hard for anything beyond the basics.

I think we (I probably more than brothers) are reasonably good to her. Lots of mini breaks, brought on holiday lots of times etc.

However her behaviour with alcohol has become intolerable. Every family meal is ruined with her complaining that we keep interrupting her ( we don’t it’s just a normal conversation flow) and she gets incredibly drunk and starts acting aggressively.

It was the same this summer on holiday (which I paid for) when I suggested that after 2 days of her heavy drinking she might go to bed rather than sit up drinking heavily and listening to music again.

I know she feels lonely and the sad thing is that we are all spending less time with her as she gets more difficult - she sees nothing as her fault. Her own siblings and her friends are also keeping their distance.
The end result is even more loneliness.

Has anyone dealt with this and do you have any suggestions ?

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/09/2023 14:52

"Shes a binge drinker so yes I do think she is sober most of the week".

How do you know she is infact sober most of the week?. Short answer is that you do not. You are not present when she is at home drinking so you have no idea of how much she is drinking. My guess is that your mother is badly underestimating how much is she drinking anyway. Her thoughts centre around drink and where the next drink is going to come from. She was drunk for at least two days on a recent holiday you kindly paid for. She's taken your kindness and thrown it right back at you.

You can choose to cut her out because she is an alcoholic but for your own reasons (codependency amongst others perhaps like some fear of yours of she being "all alone" - again not of your doing) you do not want to. What would be a "good enough" reason for you then?. Such assertions re no contact not being an option really do not stand up to scrutiny.

Her best towards you all as siblings was not good enough. You may have had material things but emotionally towards you all she was hard and therefore fell well short. It was not your fault yet she seems to blame you all for her hardship and poor life choices that she herself made. You do not have to try and manage her either; that's a poor choice you are yourself making if you do that.

You have a choice re your mother and your children do not. Stop with subjecting them to her and receive support from the likes of Al-anon.

BMW6 · 21/09/2023 15:04

Oh OP I'm sorry but i think you are in denial yourself over your Mum's drinking.

There's no way she's only getting pissed as a newt once a week and coincidentally when family are around. No way.

Watchkeys · 21/09/2023 16:34

I don’t believe in cutting people out without good reason - Ive done it before with other people but it wouldn’t me my first port of call (abuse is a different case

But you've said she's abusive, so surely this is one of those cases? If not, why not?

Rockingchai · 21/09/2023 20:01

My mother is similar. Years ago I stopped staying overnight with her because she was always drunk and angry after about 7 or 8pm. So now I go home at 7 latest. Any weekends away with her - I leave to go to my own hotel room at 8pm. It works. Luke your mum - it is impossible to broach the subject of her drinking and she would never consider stopping. I have to work around it.

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2023 11:37

Watchkeys · 20/09/2023 12:05

MrsSkylerWhite · 20/09/2023 11:50

Can you film her and play it back when she’s sober?

That's not a good idea. She behaves this way because she feels bad. Making her feel foolish and embarrassed isn't going to help.
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OP, just tell her that you won't see her if she's drinking. Let her make the choice between you and alcohol.

Respectfully, I disagree. It set a member of our family on the path to recovery. Though of course everyone is different.

Sludgey · 22/09/2023 15:17

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2023 11:37

Watchkeys · 20/09/2023 12:05

MrsSkylerWhite · 20/09/2023 11:50

Can you film her and play it back when she’s sober?

That's not a good idea. She behaves this way because she feels bad. Making her feel foolish and embarrassed isn't going to help.
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OP, just tell her that you won't see her if she's drinking. Let her make the choice between you and alcohol.

Respectfully, I disagree. It set a member of our family on the path to recovery. Though of course everyone is different.

If she were younger I would probably try this but I remember as kids we were so ashamed as she was filmed at a neighbourhood party, drunk incoherent and falling out of her top. We told her, showed her and she didn’t change so I think there’s probably no point

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Lavenderosa · 22/09/2023 16:10

This must be awful for you. I think it's entirely reasonable to set boundaries for her when around your children. No evening events, just daytime, not at her house and no alcohol permitted. If she sneaks a drink from her bag or turns up already steaming, you can tell her she's flouted the boundaries and put her in a taxi home. Tell her she gets another chance in a month and not before. If she ignores your boundaries next time, make it two months before she can come again. You say her own siblings and friends are keeping their distance so you shouldn't feel guilty about protecting your children from drunken behaviour.

Justcallmebebes · 22/09/2023 16:14

MrsSkylerWhite · 20/09/2023 11:50

Can you film her and play it back when she’s sober?

Terrible idea. Please don't do this

Watchkeys · 22/09/2023 16:16

@MrsSkylerWhite

Respectfully, I crossed the road yesterday without looking both ways, and it worked great for me. Do you think it makes it wise to advise others to do the same?

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/09/2023 12:28

Watchkeys · Yesterday 16:16

@MrsSkylerWhite

Respectfully, I crossed the road yesterday without looking both ways, and it worked great for me. Do you think it makes it wise to advise others to do the same?”

Hence my addendum that of course everyone is different. OP has dismissed the idea as not being likely to help in her mother’s case. She knows her best, so that’s that.

Sludgey · 24/09/2023 00:02

So DM came over tonight to watch strictly and have a take away. Bottle of wine opened , I had a glass. She proceeds to drink rest of it and then a 2nd bottle she had brought. Then starts challenging me about how myself and DH should just accept her as she is ‘she’s been so good to us etc’ I told her I wasn’t engaging and just called a cab. She’s heading on a month long holiday tomorrow and I’m just relieved to be honest. It’s such hard work which is sad, sitting watching strictly was really nice but the night just spirals into unpleasant very quickly.

incidentally she explained her issue with drink as that ‘I don’t get the warnings other people get after a couple of drinks. I just go immediately to drunk. Other people drink the same but I just get drunker quicker ‘ DM issue is that DH just cannot deal with her at all when drunk and completely blanks her, she feels he should be ‘kinder’ and indulge her more

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