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Inter-generational toxic masculinity and handmaid's role play.

51 replies

CreationNat1on · 19/09/2023 16:24

I m trying to unravel the ridiculously toxic environment that has developed in my family.

Since my father died several years ago, my mother's behaviour has become more and more passive aggressive and downright abusive. She grew up in a very impoverished part of rural Ireland, her family of origin were fundamentalist Catholics and extremely brainwashed by the patriarchal Catholic Church which strictly ruled their lives.

Due to family finances she was sent to work as a teenager and essentially flung out to get work and send money home. She was parentified and felt a very strong duty to support her mother and siblings financially. My maternal grandfather suffered poor mental health and as a result my grandmother carried a heavy burden to do much of the farmwork as well as rearing the children. My mother being the eldest was her ally.

My mother saw her role as provider, and when she met my father she was delighted, as his ability to provide alleviated her burden. She was a handmaid to him. Ironing his shirts, sowing his collars in for him. As a child I used to polish his shoes, he was the good natured king of his castle. She saw her place and all women's place to serve men.

Roll on to the next generation, me and my siblings. My father is now dead, and my mother is a little rudderless, she fawns to my two brothers in law and my brother. Never disagrees with them (to their faces at least). The problem is, one of my BILs suffered mental health problems himself, and while he has received endless familial support from both his own family and ours, he is bitterly competitive and insecure about anyone he sees as a rival. I think he feels threatened by me, as I don't see him as a replacement leader of our family. I challenge his bad behaviour. He passes judgment and tries to manipulate my mother's finances and all family events. He and my sister stir up family dramas at family funerals, weddings, and every other event in between.

As a separated women, I think I intimidate him, independent women are a threat to the patriarchy. He is threatened by a financially independent woman, and this seeps out through nasty remarks aimed at everything and anything that might seem emasculating to him. The problem I m figuring out is my mother, now elderly, just repeats all his insecure sneering remarks, it's like she is brainwashed to support his madness. To support his fragile, insecure ego. It's like she is programmed to repeat her early teenage behaviour of blindly supporting the fragile ego of her mentally unwell father (he had been abandoned as a child, and was traumatised as a result, and then the family were poor too, which brought other stresses).

At any rate my handmaid mother plays up to the jealous insecurities of my fragile BIL, and as a result slags off her other children and plays the game of putting them down, essentially she takes on the toxic persona of my BIL. To help build him up.

It's so sad, she recently passed some heartbreakingly cruel remarks about me and my children, these remarks originated from one person, BIL. Both her and my face fell in shock when she actually voiced such toxic comments (suggesting a car crash). This is the base level that my BIL frequently goes to, he tries to be dominant by pushing his comments too far.

It's heartbreaking, and then she denies her actions. My sister tries to laugh these comments off. I feel so betrayed by all of them. The BIL driving all of this base behaviour has suffered 2 mental breakdowns in the past, and has always been supported and quietly nursed out of it, privately through his family members bailing him out and ones with medical professions medicating him.

It's just so sad it's come to this, and it's mentally draining trying to figure it all out. JUST PUTTING IT ALL DOWN HERE

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Ohambassador · 19/09/2023 16:25

I m trying to unravel the ridiculously toxic environment that has developed in my family.

why bother?

sounds ghastly. I wouldn’t waste a moment navel gazing about them let alone have a relationship with them

Ohambassador · 19/09/2023 16:26

A nasty woman

and a number of rather limp lettuce adults

this woman would not be allowed near my children

Ohambassador · 19/09/2023 16:28

You’re creating a rather dramatic story akin to an ITV drama

when really it’s just a bunch of unpleasant people behaving badly

fiddlesticksandotherwords · 19/09/2023 16:29

If you think BIL is manipulating your mother financially, go to social services and report your BIL for elder abuse, and ask them to do a welfare check on your mother.

ShippingNews · 19/09/2023 16:30

Stop engaging with them. Live 9 your own life.

Nonplusultra · 19/09/2023 16:33

You can’t change other people. You can however change how you respond to them, and how much time you spend with them.

Hopelesslydevotedtoshrews · 19/09/2023 16:35

It's really sad OP, but they are all what they're choosing to be.
You have choices too, you can choose to allow them to have the power to hurt you or not. You can choose to check that your mother isn't being abused by your DS and BIL.

You can choose to safeguard yourself and your kids by backing away from it a bit. I know it's easier said than done but sometimes you're better off just trying to focus on putting down a healthier dynamic for the generations that follow you rather than living in the shadows of the ones that came before.

Pallisers · 19/09/2023 16:36

You will never change her. This behaviour is baked into her persona at this stage. I'm sorry. You won't figure it out - well you have figured it out. She was reared to be like this. Her marriage reinforced it. Her widowhood made her desperate to please any other males in her family. (although my guess is any actual care is expected from you and your sisters)

All you can do is protect yourself from her and the toxicity - and protect your children too. When she made that comment, the correct response is to say "I'm leaving now - I won't listen to that." and leave. or "please leave my home. noone who wishes harm to my children is welcome here"

You don't have to go no contact. You can minimise the big family events. Stick with cousins or friends or your own kids when you are attending. Pretend you are a documentary film maker observing the dynamic. You can ignore your BIL and stay well away from him. If you sister notices tell her "you married him, I didn't"

CreationNat1on · 19/09/2023 16:46

Thank you, yes I m very limited contact, and I have confronted him about the financial abuse. My mother plays into all that enmeshment, she actually encourages some of the inappropriate financial behaviour.

Yes after the really awful comment, I have walked away and backed off completely. It's just sad, and I can't fully explain it to others. I suppose I don't need to. I m essentially loosing my family of origin over all of this and by the way, when my mother is really in need, she turns to me.

I need to continue to build my own life, separate from them. It's simply sad. She puts on the handmaid granny persona in front of my sons, and then suggest horrible accidents to me when they are not in earshot, just to upset me. Yes, it's literally like a flipping daytime TV drama. I could use it all as fodder for a book.

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Ohambassador · 19/09/2023 18:11

and then suggest horrible accidents to me when they are not in earshot, just to upset me.

what do you mean?

Cheesedoffwitheverything · 19/09/2023 18:25

Just wanted to say I get it. You are the circuit breaker in this historical deference to the patriarchy. You won’t change her.

ByzantineEmpress · 19/09/2023 18:28

@CreationNat1on I understand the the culture you are talking about as I have parents from similar backgrounds. I’ve had my own reasons to step back from it. I liken it to those “keep sweet, pray and obey” type programmes on Netflix with the American fundamentalist Christians. Ireland really was a very toxic culture for a lot of people and it has created endless inter generational problems as you are experiencing. Look at poor Sinead O’Connor. I, like you, had to analyse my situation to the bitter end before I stepped away from it completely. It is much healthier to step back from it all as much as you can, ideally at least by separating emotionally.

CreationNat1on · 19/09/2023 20:51

There was a terrible accident recently in Ireland where 4 young people died, and my mother while collecting me from the airport and our 20 minute journey home, suggested that it was due to something that was relevant to me and my two teenage children. She essentially tried to project that tragedy onto me and my kids and say it could happen again to my family.

Completely horrible and unfair and designed to upset, and just using that tragedy as an opportunity to abuse her daughter. Horrible.

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ByzantineEmpress · 19/09/2023 22:37

CreationNat1on · 19/09/2023 20:51

There was a terrible accident recently in Ireland where 4 young people died, and my mother while collecting me from the airport and our 20 minute journey home, suggested that it was due to something that was relevant to me and my two teenage children. She essentially tried to project that tragedy onto me and my kids and say it could happen again to my family.

Completely horrible and unfair and designed to upset, and just using that tragedy as an opportunity to abuse her daughter. Horrible.

I know the accident you are speaking of.

Do you mean that while thing people do of surplanting themselves into other people’s tragedies? It is really not a nice thing.

Crunchingleaf · 19/09/2023 23:02

Some families have toxic dynamics that pass down through the generations.

You attributing her behaviour to Irish society or her family of origin is not helpful for you. The reason doesn’t matter here. What matters is the behaviour and you can’t change others. So you choice is accept it or keep your family at a distance.

mdinbc · 19/09/2023 23:28

I hate to suggest this, but since she values the importance of men's opinions over women's, why don't you get your brother involved? Can he talk some sense into her, and safeguard her finances from BIL?

Ohambassador · 20/09/2023 05:38

CreationNat1on · 19/09/2023 20:51

There was a terrible accident recently in Ireland where 4 young people died, and my mother while collecting me from the airport and our 20 minute journey home, suggested that it was due to something that was relevant to me and my two teenage children. She essentially tried to project that tragedy onto me and my kids and say it could happen again to my family.

Completely horrible and unfair and designed to upset, and just using that tragedy as an opportunity to abuse her daughter. Horrible.

She sounds vile

but don’t use her for any favours like picking you up from the airport!

she is ghastly as are other members of your family. So don’t socialise with themand don’t use them for any favours. Carve out an independent life which doesn’t involve interacting with them

ByzantineEmpress · 20/09/2023 07:19

Sorry wrong thread

Ohambassador · 20/09/2023 07:44

It's so sad, she recently passed some heartbreakingly cruel remarks about me and my children

and yet you either ask or accept her offer to pick you up from the airport. Op… get some distance!!

Missdemeanorz · 20/09/2023 07:47

Ohambassador · 19/09/2023 16:28

You’re creating a rather dramatic story akin to an ITV drama

when really it’s just a bunch of unpleasant people behaving badly

I agree, rather sophisticated dramatic story.

CreationNat1on · 20/09/2023 07:52

I ve been very low contact for over 3 years, she insisted on picking me up from the airport. I think her intention was to restore the relationship to the status quo, and when I didn't respond to her contrived, pre prepared conversation, the way she wanted me to, she got nasty.

I wasn't expecting it, I probable should have been. She had called me while I was away and the telephone conversation was normal.

It's just sad, and the only solution is to protect myself from her and some other people by grey rocking them.

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Ohambassador · 20/09/2023 07:55

she insisted on picking me up from the airport

why did you tell her you were going away? Why tell her your flight details and arrival time?

Ohambassador · 20/09/2023 07:59

It’s like you don’t want to just accept some members of your family simply aren’t nice people

instead there has to be a huge back story and drama and navel gazing

Ohambassador · 20/09/2023 08:00

Due to family finances she was sent to work as a teenager and essentially flung out to get work and send money home. She was parentified and felt a very strong duty to support her mother and siblings financially. My maternal grandfather suffered poor mental health and as a result my grandmother carried a heavy burden to do much of the farmwork as well as rearing the children. My mother being the eldest was her ally.

I can’t see how you think this is possibly relevant

CreationNat1on · 20/09/2023 08:13

I think it's relevant because she was brainwashed into being a support member for her family, financially supporting them and trying to prop up a father with mental health problems. She puts the mental wellbeing of men above women's mental health and sees female family roles as being "support" people for others, and having no right to agency and self respect.

So a mentally unwell male must be propped up in any way that soothes his ego, and if that means degrading an independent, self sufficient woman, because her agency threatens that dynamic, she will do it. Most of the nasty remarks that she conveys to me originate from my insecure mid 50s brother in law. This BIL sees himself as the alpha male in competition with everyone, and if he feels threatened or emasculated by someone he uses any opportunity to degrade them or upset them. My mother supports his fragile ego by repeating his words - conveying his digs.

Her role as a teenager was to prop up the fragile ego of her own father and to help with family finances - she is repeating this behaviour by propping up my BIL s ego (in unhealthy ways), and she encourages the enmeshment of her finances with him, turning him into an entitled asshole (in every way). If this behaviour is challenged, the challenger must be slapped down.

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