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I have invalidated my DS's lived experience by having a different opinion on things...

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afishcalledbreanda · 11/09/2023 12:02

That's it, really. There's been a death in the extended family and my sister and I were reminiscing about our parents (dead a while now) and various aunts and uncles. I lived in the same region as several of my mum's family and kept in touch and visited them (often with my DM) and got to know them quite well when I was in my 20s and 30s. My DS went abroad to study at 18 and was gone for six years, married on her return to the UK and lived 250 miles away from the main core of the elderly family members, so only saw them at weddings and funerals.

She says that these older aunts and uncles cut her out of their lives and now says she feels angry and hurt by their behaviour. I can't remember her mentioning them for years at a time. If she'd wanted to send them a Christmas card or visit them I'd have happily put her in touch. I said to her pretty much what I've said here — that they never really got to know her because she wasn't around, that they always asked about her and her DH and DC, I kept them up to date with the basics of what was going on in her life and I didn't see any ill will or cutting out. I was polite and not argumentative.

She's responded with an angry message saying that I am 'invalidating her lived experience' and that it's not for me to deny her truth. I'm not denying that she feels what she feels and I certainly haven't told her she's wrong. All I've said is that I see it differently and explained why.

She has fairly recently started counselling/ therapy after falling out very badly with her daughter, who's gone NC, and now she's started using what I think of as 'therapy speak'. Ideas, please, for a cheery response that acknowledges that's how she feels but that I'm allowed to see things differently. I can't quite find the words without sounding insincere or without an eye-roll showing.

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autienotnaughty · 17/12/2023 05:42

Does she have a partner or kids? I have a difficult sister who has taken her emotions out on me as I'm her closest relative . I keep her at a bit of a distance now. She also did therapy and I heard a lot of 'this is my truth' when she wanted to say something hurtful but weirdly she was less accepting of the truth when it was directed at her.

afishcalledbreanda · 17/12/2023 11:17

GarlicMaybeNot · 17/12/2023 02:31

It looks to me like you 100% agree with each other on the facts here. The experience is what it is ("lived" or otherwise - narrated, perhaps?!) You differ in your interpretations of the third parties' motives. And that's okay. You may need to actually say "And that's okay".

Everyone in the world has an individual perspective on everything. Those can differ just a little or massively, but it's a given that they will differ a fair bit when third parties' feelings come into the picture - especially if those parties are dead, so can't be asked for their perspective.

In some things, it's worth arguing until we reach a shared view. Mostly it's not. We have to respect one another's right to our own minds. It's almost certainly not worth arguing over something as futile as a deceased person's perspective since, unless they left copious diaries, their individual perspective went to the grave with them.

Good to hear DD's doing therapy. Wishing her well with it.

I think you have the wrong end of the stick. I don't have a DD. Perhaps you would like to go back and read all my responses? I understand that two people can have very different takes on the same situation and I've said so several times.

@Nanaof1 thanks for your kind thoughts. I'm an okay sort of person, I hope, nothing more than that. This has made me realise that I was lucky to come from the kind of extended family where people showed tolerance and were polite and found a way through things even when they disagreed without swearing or being rude to each other. Which is why my sister's behaviour is so difficult to understand. She must be having a very hard time.

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SunnieShine · 17/12/2023 11:21

Pixilicious1 · 11/09/2023 12:22

If someone used the phrase ‘invalidating my lived experience’ I don’t think I could be bothered talking to them. She sounds like a self centred twat

Absolutely this. 👍 Total wank talk.

PaulaPocket · 17/12/2023 11:21

Pixilicious1 · 11/09/2023 12:22

If someone used the phrase ‘invalidating my lived experience’ I don’t think I could be bothered talking to them. She sounds like a self centred twat

I'd be saying 'How much did you pay your therapist for that concept'?

afishcalledbreanda · 17/12/2023 11:28

autienotnaughty · 17/12/2023 05:42

Does she have a partner or kids? I have a difficult sister who has taken her emotions out on me as I'm her closest relative . I keep her at a bit of a distance now. She also did therapy and I heard a lot of 'this is my truth' when she wanted to say something hurtful but weirdly she was less accepting of the truth when it was directed at her.

She has a son who lives abroad and who I'm in touch with a few times a year. He's in his late 20s, has a busy life and we occasionally message each other with funny things, but I'm not going to ask him what's going on. He may come and visit or stay with me next year because of something going on in my area, so there may be a chance to talk about this then, though I do think this is something between his mum and me and best kept to ourselves. DS has a daughter who's gone non-contact with her at some point over the last year. DS divorced about 8 years ago. There is a new man around — or there was. I met him briefly a couple of times. He was very quiet and I couldn't say I knew him at all. Previously I would have felt able to ask how things were going with him, what they were up to, how she was — all the things one would hope to be able to talk and laugh about in a relationship between sisters. But obviously now that's v difficult.

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yogasaurus · 17/12/2023 11:43

If the drama always surrounds one person… it’s usually that person.

Thighdentitycrisis · 17/12/2023 13:19

I am agreeing with @Mix56
she is not taking personal responsibility for the outcome of her decisions as an adult. But agree with other PP who noted she probably identifies as a child in that relationship as she was only 18 when she left

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