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What is the answer to dealing with men just not thinking

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Upsidedownlemons · 10/09/2023 20:59

So many men just seem to be unable to think properly about their partner/wife. What's the answer? I have several friends with similar issues and read about men and hobbies on here a lot. Mine is that DH has a creative hobby that is actually outing as it's pretty niche, but a good analogy is photography. Imagine he's a creative photographer who works on medium term projects with various models to create unusual and artistic portfolios of work. So he has to spend time with the (usually younger and female, for what it's worth) model where they plan and carry out the shoots. But then when she goes home there is then lots of additional time arranging, planning and editing the photographs. It's very consuming and easy to get sucked in for hours. He does not earn money, it's a passion.

If he has a shoot 10am - 3pm on a weekend, I will take the kids (5 and 7) out and generally entertain them and put in what feels like an extra shift (I work but also do all school runs, pick ups and mental load as my work is more flexible). When the model leaves he can then easily spend a few more hours happily editing away. In his shoes I would think OK, he's been solo with the kids basically all day, I'll have to come back to this another time. DH does not appear to think this. He will happily, without a fuss or any kind of whining, stop if asked. If not asked he can just go on and on. And it drives me mad because I already feel like the boring mum who has to get rid of the kids so the glamorous creatives can work on their art. How hard would it be to just stop for my benefit without me asking and cementing my role as funkiller boring cow?

I feel like he can't quite hold me in mind enough to stop doing what he wants to do if that makes sense? But what's maddening is he genuinely feels bad and doesn't want to make me feel this way. Today he had a 'shoot' and I'd said look let's just communicate better so I said how I wanted things to look (an hour to myself when he first finished and then after that when he'd gone to edit after my break, for him to stop when dinner was ready and not go back up to 'quickly finish one bit' which always turns to hours and ends with me starting bedtime). This went fine and he did as I asked but now I feel even more infuriated which is so silly. But it's because I feel I shouldn't have to ask, it's so obvious that by 3pm I might have had enough on top of all the other stuff I do, plus I don't want to tell an adult what to do. It makes me feel controlling. And he hasn't at any point in all our discussions apologised and said shit, I didn't realise how selfish I've been. It's all how we've not communicated well enough and we can work this out and of course he doesn't want me to feel unappreciated but it doesn't feel like there's OWNERSHIP or recognition that maybe he has previously not handled things brilliantly. It's like a mysterious thing has befallen us due to our combined inaction and inattention.

Aaaargh

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PussInBin20 · 10/09/2023 21:03

I think you should tell him all this and say when you become parents, you don’t get to do everything you want anymore. They are the priority, not your bloody hobby. And that means BOTH Parents have to change their life, not just the Mother!

HelenFisksBrownSuit · 10/09/2023 21:06

The answer is lesbianism.

Loopytiles · 10/09/2023 21:09

So he’s regularly spending a working day’s worth of time on a hobby?

He doesn’t feel bad: he is obviously happy for you to feel bad and do way more than your fair share because his free time for his hobby is a higher priority for him.

frozendaisy · 10/09/2023 22:15

PussInBin20 · 10/09/2023 21:03

I think you should tell him all this and say when you become parents, you don’t get to do everything you want anymore. They are the priority, not your bloody hobby. And that means BOTH Parents have to change their life, not just the Mother!

This with bells on.

ManicMum2023 · 10/09/2023 22:26

He needs a reality check! When was the last time you got to do something for yourself!!

He gets to do it everyday!

It's easy to go to work or work on a hobby than looking after kids.

Parenthood for men is not just providing the sperm... it's all the work raising a child!

Start delegating and telling him you are going out so he has no choice but to deal with the kids. They are his kids as well!!

It should be 50:50

I have had struggles with my husband because I was doing almost everything as well as taking on the mental load. I got post natal depression and I have him ultimatums and even kicked him out.

He has taken on a lot and helps a lot now but his attitude sucks sometimes which needs working on. He has anger issues which he needs to work on.

Make sure you schedule a few nights off and let him sort the dinner and bedtime routine out!!!

Have a shared calendar or put up a weekly planner on the wall for each week for the next four weeks so you both know each other's schedules so you can plan more stuff for yourself!!!

So if he has no meetings or appointments then he can help with the children and do the editing after when children are in bed.

Share the responsibilities around the house!

He cannot sit in front of a computer or camera all the time and think that's acceptable!

Loubelle70 · 10/09/2023 22:32

PussInBin20 · 10/09/2023 21:03

I think you should tell him all this and say when you become parents, you don’t get to do everything you want anymore. They are the priority, not your bloody hobby. And that means BOTH Parents have to change their life, not just the Mother!

This^>
Yes its his hobby, but its not paid, he can do editing when all house stuff, kids sorted, time with you sorted, then go back to it. It feels like he itches to get back at it but placates you a little while until he can rush off after hes done an hour or so with you. How demoralizing for you. I wouldn't have it

LightSpeeds · 10/09/2023 22:38

In his head, you are the 'manager' and he is the 'assistant'. As such, he's not going to show much or any initiative to take control of a not-very-attractive job.

He's going to wait for you to provide instruction, and if you don't, he won't do anything much without you kicking his arse.

If he doesn't work weekends, tell him he's in charge for the WHOLE next weekend while you swan around doing whatever you want, and if he wants any help you'll think about it!

Loubelle70 · 10/09/2023 22:45

Tell him to look after kids whilst you go to life drawing lessons , make sure you mention the life drawing subjects are fit guys 🤣. See how he feels.

ManicMum2023 · 10/09/2023 22:57

Yes you definitely have to start arranging some hobbies and catch up with friends. Put them in the diary and give yourself some time off every weekend!!

Leave the kids to him.

Enjoy yourself!

Isheabastard · 10/09/2023 22:59

I think many men are just more selfish.

If they can get away with it they will.

They’ll be thinking “if she needs me she’ll tell me”.

They just don’t get it that they should be preemptively taking up the slack. I don’t know what the solution is, my ex was like this.

HarrietJet · 10/09/2023 23:01

HelenFisksBrownSuit · 10/09/2023 21:06

The answer is lesbianism.

Not necessarily. Plenty of men aren't self absorbed arseholes.

AuntieStella · 10/09/2023 23:04

For every weekend hour when you have sole responsibility for the DC (not counting necessary family admin eg if he was going to the supermarket or taking stuff to the tip, but definitely counting hobby time), you get back an equal number of hours to just go and do your thing.

It sounds to me like you're owed several weekends away. And once you start insisting on parity of child-free weekend hours, he might start taking notice

Floralgrump · 10/09/2023 23:05

My DH is like this. They do it because they want to get away with as much as possible. They will stop if asked but it’s never voluntary. It’s annoying and selfish but basically they will be a dick unless you call them out on it. I love my husband but have come to the conclusion that he is naturally quite a selfish person. I would feel guilty if I acted the same but men don’t seem to care so much about how others feel.

ManicMum2023 · 10/09/2023 23:05

A counselor once said to me..men have two drawers- the things to do drawer and the nothing to do drawer whereas women have multiple drawers and doing stuff and thinking about other stuff.

Men just coast along most of the timr and I have no idea how some of them hold down a job!

Yes men will never think out of the box. I have had the same problem with my hubby so now I don't do everything and when he asks me for answers how to do certain stuff or what he should do I just started saying make a decision and follow it through. He used to what me to do everything as well as the thinking!! It was exhausting! So I stepped back a hundred steps and let him take some of the slack without me directing him because I have three children already and don't need 4! I want a man who can think and do things and follow through with his decisions and not be told what to do in his 40s!! Some men just need to bloody grow up basically and smell the coffee.

IvanTheDragon · 10/09/2023 23:12

Both parents should have an equal expectation of time to themselves to pursue their individual interests - it sounds like he is taking whatever he can get to pursue his, but not acknowledging that he needs to facilitate yours. Even if what interests you isn't a particular hobby or pursuit, just time to yourself!

Upsidedownlemons · 11/09/2023 15:01

Loubelle70 · 10/09/2023 22:32

This^>
Yes its his hobby, but its not paid, he can do editing when all house stuff, kids sorted, time with you sorted, then go back to it. It feels like he itches to get back at it but placates you a little while until he can rush off after hes done an hour or so with you. How demoralizing for you. I wouldn't have it

This is exactly how it feels sometimes, like he puts in some time/effort in order to unlock the right to engage in what he really wants to be doing.

I also find it difficult the sense that this is something incredibly important to his wellbeing and needs to be facilitated in a way that respects the importance of it. I think that's true, to an extent, but it's the fact it necessarily comes at cost to me that makes it difficult to stomach and actually doesn't benefit anyone else, and I'm also not wholly sure whether it's the creative part or the social part that he is after.

I do see my friends and go out, and he is very supportive of me pursuing hobbies, if I announced I wanted to start doing something regularly I know he would help me make it happen, I think because he places so much value on his own hobby. I do have something that due to cost is sporadic but he always supports it. And perhaps that's the answer, to have more of my own thing more regularly, there's plenty I'd like to do.

But it feels like a big part of the problem is the sense that he doesn't think shit, she must be tired having taken them swimming and to the park, I'll finish ASAP. It's much more as a PP said, she'll let me know if she needs me. Whereas I hold him in mind. When I did my (newly developing) interest for a weekend, I felt I owed him time. I don't think he feels he owes me anything, when I feel like I've really given him something when I make space for his hobby.

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