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Stagnant. Pointless. Fed up.

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Spinkey · 10/09/2023 01:28

DH and I never go out together because we don’t have any family childcare nor anyone else who is trustworthy. He’s out at work 12 hours a day and when he comes home he just wants to watch tv - and not even stuff that I want to watch too. At weekends he finds DIY jobs to do. He did our kitchen, then the bathroom, then the patio, then his mum’s kitchen, then his sister’s bathroom, then adapted my dad’s bathroom into a wet room, then did our living room and en suite, it never ends. Then he washes the cars and does the garden. All of these things are absolutely essential and I’m selfish if I ask him to spend time with me instead of doing them. He shouts at me and says he has to get this stuff done and he doesn’t have time to waste with me. Then he goes to his orchestra practice.

He doesn’t take his holidays because he says he’s too busy at work and there’s too much to do. He gets paid for giving up his holidays. If he does take time off work it’s to do his mum’s kitchen or something, not to spend time with me. He refuses to do any drop offs or pick ups for DC, or any sick days, because he has to put in stupid hours at work. He can’t possibly take a step back from his career to give me an equal chance to work too. He calls me selfish if I suggest it, and says I’m trying to ruin his career, and stamps his foot and says he won’t reduce his hours and that’s the end of it.

I said let’s do a podcast together, it’ll be fun? He said no, his employer would class it as a conflict of interest because he has a media related role, and he’ll get in trouble. He won’t even post on Instagram in case he gets in trouble. I said let’s write a little magazine, do some paintings and sell posters, a fun creative project together? He said no, his contract says his employer owns all of his creative output so they would own anything he starts independently, and he’d get in trouble. I said let’s write a song and record it? He said no, he doesn’t have time and anyway his employer would own any song we wrote. I said quit your job and we’ll start a business like we always planned? He said no, he would have FOMO if he left his job where he’s become quite senior. On bad days he’ll accuse me of trying to take away his career if I bring this up. He’ll say I’m jealous of his job and I’m trying to make him quit it.

I’m increasingly frustrated. He won’t do anything with me. He literally goes to work and gives them everything, then comes home and either watches tv or does DIY. He won’t do any of the stuff we used to do together in case he gets told off at work.

I married him because we used to create together, but he won’t any more. I feel like I’ve lost my collaborator, and frankly if we aren’t creating together any more then what use is he to me? He’s just a boring blob that creates more laundry. I’m angry that he’s just ditched me and all of our plans. He even said “start a business on your own”. What he fails to realise is that if I start a business on my own there’s no reason for me to stay with him any more.

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Safxxx · 10/09/2023 02:18

I think you should start a business or project of your own, it will do you good and keep you sane.. something to look forward to and a distraction...he seems to be full on with his job and DIY...
You do your own thing, once you succeed in it you can decide what to do stay or leave...
Things do change, the dreams you both shared together didn't go as planned but that doesn't mean the end of all things...
But I do believe he should take time out for you as it keeps the bond strong...many men don't understand this unfortunately.

coffy11 · 10/09/2023 02:26

He calls you selfish cause you want to work? You're not the selfish one here and would have a much better life without him, he adds nothing to your life.

RantyAnty · 10/09/2023 04:43

What's the point of him?

rainbowstardrops · 10/09/2023 05:20

I think you need to re-read the last sentence of your post. And then act on it.

Spinkey · 10/09/2023 09:28

We used to be really close. We wrote a stage act and took it to the Fringe. We did dance performances together. We designed theatre sets and programmes, and made props. We did posters and joint artworks, and one time we did a 20ft mural. We sang and wrote music. We refurbished old furniture. We designed and made stuff, and sold it. I felt enthusiastic and supported and creative. I felt like we were actually doing stuff.

Now he spends all of his time at work. Doing creative stuff with his colleagues in the marketing department, not with me. Whenever I suggest doing something, he says according to his contract they basically own him and his entire creative output, he isn’t allowed to do anything outside of work. It’s so frustrating. I get angry and jealous when he tells me about projects he’s doing at work, because he won’t do anything with me any more. I’m not saying he can’t work - I’m just saying I would still like to do bits of stuff together on a weekend. Not be told that we can’t because he isn’t allowed. Several times I’ve suggested “let do this” and he says he isn’t allowed, but then he takes the suggestion to work and does it with his colleagues.

So then I tell him they’re restricting him, and by extension they’re restricting me, and it’s not fair. I tell him he should be allowed to have hobbies and personal projects at the weekend, and if he isn’t going to do anything with me then he can fuck off and I’ll find someone else to do stuff with. I don’t want a husband who brings in money but has no other value to me. I want to achieve stuff together, otherwise I don’t want to be with him.

He says I’m being ridiculous, why don’t I just do creative stuff by myself, we can still be married even if we aren’t doing stuff together? But I don’t think we can. If we aren’t sharing and collaborating and creating together any more, we have nothing of value between us, and I don’t know what we are or why we’re together. And I’m angry that he still does creative stuff but just won’t do it with me. I feel dumped.

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Spinkey · 10/09/2023 10:06

This morning he’s going to fix my Dad’s lawnmower and tidy his garden. I said he doesn’t have time for me any more. He’s called me selfish and ridiculous, because he’s obviously helping my Dad FOR ME. Apparently he doesn’t understand that’s not the same as actually having time for me.

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EarthSight · 10/09/2023 10:46

I’m increasingly frustrated. He won’t do anything with me

It's because he doesn't enjoy spending time with you In fact I think it's worse than that. Rather than being a neutral thing where he's not really bothered, it sounds like he doesn't like you very much and is trying to fill his time as much as possible with things to do, so he has excuses not to spend any time with you.

Sorry OP, but to me, the emotional part of this marriage is truly dead, at least on his part. He seems to be with you because it's more convenient, and because he doesn't want a major life change (sounds like you would cope better with that than he would).

Spinkey · 10/09/2023 11:01

Yes I don’t think he enjoys spending time with me any more. Because I always want to do something fun and creative like we used to, and he says he can’t because his employer doesn’t allow him to do anything outside of work, because it’s a conflict of interest. I get angry and say they’ve taken my partner away and he prioritises them above me. He gets angry and says I’m being selfish.

We don’t even talk any more. If I tell him what I’m thinking about or what ideas I have, he says “great, you should do that by yourself”. If he tells me about his ideas, I say what’s the fucking point because we won’t be allowed to do it. Or you’ll do it with your buddies at work and I won’t be involved, you just want to use me as a sounding board for your ideas.

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Loubelle70 · 10/09/2023 11:15

I used to do all the diy in the house with my ex..it was too much on top of everything else i did..which was everything. Have you thought of learning some of the diy, just small jobs, to help out and to spend time with OH? theres loads of youtube videos xxx

Watchkeys · 10/09/2023 11:33

He’s just a boring blob that creates more laundry

This really made me laugh, but honestly, OP, anybody who feels this way about their partner needs to get out of the relationship, for the sake of both parties. You're clearly not happy, and it can't be good for him to be in a relationship where he's viewed this way.

Do both of you a favour.

Spinkey · 10/09/2023 11:36

Loubelle70 · 10/09/2023 11:15

I used to do all the diy in the house with my ex..it was too much on top of everything else i did..which was everything. Have you thought of learning some of the diy, just small jobs, to help out and to spend time with OH? theres loads of youtube videos xxx

He won’t let me. It wouldn’t be good enough if I did it.

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Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 10/09/2023 11:39

You don't marry someone to create with them...you marry for love 🤔
Tbh you both sound like you have different goals and priorities so I think you should divorce and co parent.

Spinkey · 10/09/2023 11:40

Watchkeys · 10/09/2023 11:33

He’s just a boring blob that creates more laundry

This really made me laugh, but honestly, OP, anybody who feels this way about their partner needs to get out of the relationship, for the sake of both parties. You're clearly not happy, and it can't be good for him to be in a relationship where he's viewed this way.

Do both of you a favour.

It’s as if he’s become someone who looks like my husband, but minus all of the creativity and the things we used to enjoy doing and sharing together, minus all of the future plans we had made together. It’s like living with a twin. A twin who now does all of the stuff we used to do together with his work colleagues instead.

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Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 10/09/2023 11:41

Like reading your posts there is absolutely nothing about love in there. Only about what kind of creative projects you can do with him. Bit weird

Loubelle70 · 10/09/2023 11:46

Spinkey · 10/09/2023 11:36

He won’t let me. It wouldn’t be good enough if I did it.

I think youre at an impasse then OP sadly.
Its probably come to the point of 'THE conversation'. stay together or not if things dont improve. If he's unwilling to listen or bend a little, theres your answer x

ISeeARedDoorAndIWantToBreakIn · 10/09/2023 11:48

I’m sorry I’m no help at all, but I just love the phrase He’s just a boring blob that creates more laundry.
i shall definitely be stealing that phrase to use to describe my exP.

however, I agree with @Hungrycaterpillarsmummy .

Changes17 · 10/09/2023 11:52

I think his contract is more likely to say his employer owns the copyright/intellectual property rights in work created in the course of his employment - not the stuff he does at weekends. (Maybe he should give it another read if this is really what he thinks.)

jeaux90 · 10/09/2023 11:52

OP honestly it's time to have a conversation with him about changing or splitting.

"This isn't working for me anymore"

At least if you split and co-parent well you'd have time to explore all those things you want to do, your own ambitions.

A friend of mine used to do similar things to your DH and it was because she wanted to avoid spending time with her DH as the marriage was over but neither of them would pull the trigger on separating.

They are now happily divorced and co-parent really well.

Spinkey · 10/09/2023 11:54

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 10/09/2023 11:39

You don't marry someone to create with them...you marry for love 🤔
Tbh you both sound like you have different goals and priorities so I think you should divorce and co parent.

I did marry him for love. He was smart and talented, we liked the same things, we liked doing stuff together. We spent all of our spare time together doing whatever had caught our interest. We bounced off each other and did some fairly successful things together.

We don’t do stuff together any more because he says he isn’t allowed. We don’t even talk about stuff any more because I already know he won’t be allowed to do it. If I tell him about an idea I’ve had, he might be enthusiastic, but he’ll take my idea and do it with his work colleagues. I won’t talk to him about what he’s interested in either, because he’s just pumping me for ideas to take back to his job. He doesn’t want to do anything with me any more. He says it’s not because he doesn’t want to - he simply isn’t allowed. But the end result is the same.

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Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 10/09/2023 12:05

So I think you need to stop suggesting stuff. Start doing your own thing and I have a feeling he may take an interest again. It's that age old thing of being chased, isn't it? Stop chasing, the person suddenly wants you.

I think he's taking the whole "work own anything I do" a bit too seriously and maybe he should speak to HR to outline exactly what it means.

If doesn't sound like he's a boring blob though, it sound alike he's run off his feet.

Spinkey · 10/09/2023 12:13

Changes17 · 10/09/2023 11:52

I think his contract is more likely to say his employer owns the copyright/intellectual property rights in work created in the course of his employment - not the stuff he does at weekends. (Maybe he should give it another read if this is really what he thinks.)

It says they own 100% of his creative output, with no time restrictions because he’s salaried. If they catch him doing something at the weekend he’ll get in trouble because he’s not giving them 100%. Because if he’s giving 1% to a personal project then the company is only getting 99%.

About two years ago we exhibited some drawings at a local art gallery and we made some home-made merch for the gift shop, in aid of a local cancer charity. His employer found out from Instagram and asked for 50% of the money plus his share of the copyright. They said he could not donate his drawings to the charity because they were not his property. Not because they wanted or needed it - just to make a point. This wasn’t the first time they’ve done stuff like this. Previous employees have left because they felt so restricted and suppressed. But DH won’t leave, and it’s been years. I’m sick of it.

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Spinkey · 10/09/2023 12:17

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 10/09/2023 12:05

So I think you need to stop suggesting stuff. Start doing your own thing and I have a feeling he may take an interest again. It's that age old thing of being chased, isn't it? Stop chasing, the person suddenly wants you.

I think he's taking the whole "work own anything I do" a bit too seriously and maybe he should speak to HR to outline exactly what it means.

If doesn't sound like he's a boring blob though, it sound alike he's run off his feet.

Yeah I don’t want to play stupid games of getting him to chase me. If we never do anything together there’s no point in being together.

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RantyAnty · 10/09/2023 12:53

Spinkey · 10/09/2023 12:13

It says they own 100% of his creative output, with no time restrictions because he’s salaried. If they catch him doing something at the weekend he’ll get in trouble because he’s not giving them 100%. Because if he’s giving 1% to a personal project then the company is only getting 99%.

About two years ago we exhibited some drawings at a local art gallery and we made some home-made merch for the gift shop, in aid of a local cancer charity. His employer found out from Instagram and asked for 50% of the money plus his share of the copyright. They said he could not donate his drawings to the charity because they were not his property. Not because they wanted or needed it - just to make a point. This wasn’t the first time they’ve done stuff like this. Previous employees have left because they felt so restricted and suppressed. But DH won’t leave, and it’s been years. I’m sick of it.

I think your H is lying to you. No contract like this is legal.

greenfingers22 · 10/09/2023 13:11

Surely if you are doing something creative together at the weekend just for fun rather than to sell then why would he tell his workplace? Seems a bit weird

Unfortunately my mum used to act this way with her previous partner all of the time as she just didn't like him anymore and didn't want to spend time with him, but it was easier than rocking the boat (I told her multiple times how unfair I thought this was). They spent over 10 years like this and it made both of them absolutely miserable. I think you need to just focus on yourself and do what's best for you, it sounds like that's what he's been doing for a long time...

Loubelle70 · 10/09/2023 13:19

@greenfingers22 i agree. My ex did this. Bare minimum communication i was distraught. I tried everything. He never tried at all. Never spent time together not from lack if trying on my behalf. Sadly at the time, i didnt realise he had enough of me...and was lazy lol. I ended it, he was a coward, treated me so badly that i had to end it so he looked the victim. That bothered me before i ended it because i knew what he was doing, then i thought, well let him tell others what he wants, ive got to finish this for my own mental health. I think that's what needs to happen here. Sorry x