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Was it me or him?

31 replies

Badgerish · 06/09/2023 14:40

There is a thread here about Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. There are people in there saying abuse is never mutual and there is always an abuser and a reactive abuser.

Can someone tell me who was the abuser in my past relationship. This was ten years ago so I guess doesn't matter now but it is something I have consistently struggled with and carry guilt over. He was adamant it was me that was abusive.

We would get into a cycle where he would push and push me emotionally until I would get very distressed and start shouting and crying. It was always me that would start shouting first as I would get so upset. When I mean pushed he would stone wall me and ignore me if he was in a mood. Criticise me and put me down. Ignore any request I had to do with my emotional needs and blamed me for everything. He would go back on things he said all the time and deny he said them or claim it was my fault he'd said that when he didn't mean it. He would say he hadn't said things he had said or tell me I am over reacting about everything to the point I felt like I was going crazy half the time. My self esteem sank to nothing.

But it was always me that would start shouting first. I grew up in a shouty family. He said because I started shouting first that I was abusing him.

I would often go upstairs to cry once I had reached the point I was shouting. He would usually follow me either to tell me to shut up or to "fix things" but then he would ignore my constant requests to leave me alone. He would follow me around. If I locked myself in the bathroom he would be undoing the lock from the outside. This would go on until I would get more and more distressed and eventually throw something. At that point he would erupt and be following me around calling me horrendous names. Calling me a c**t and other vile things. He would engage in such a character assassination. I'd get more and more and more distressed. Sometimes I would talk about ending my life not to manipulate but because I had become so deregulated I felt that distressed and wanted it all to stop. Often the situation would end in him physically hurting me in some way. Hitting me. Throwing me into a wall. Throwing something heavy at me (not at the ground like I would). Then once things would calm down he would completely blame me and I had to grovel for his forgiveness. If I didn't he would character assassinate me until I did or the whole thing would start all over again. Hours like this.

He insists I was the abuser because I always started shouting first. He would just stay completely calm but horrid to me until I was so worked up I was shouting.
He said I was the abuser as when our child was very small I would really struggle and I would call him up from a night out to come home to help me because I wasn't coping (very bad PND). I knew that him going on a night out would involve him often not coming back until the next day wasted and I would get upset before he went out as I knew that would happen. He said this was me being coercive controling. He eventually stopped going out so much but insisted that was because "I didn't allow him" and would tell everyone that, but that wasn't the case.
He claims I would get violent first. He claims I hit him. I never ever hit him. I threw objects at the floor at times and screamed and shouted alot but I never once physically attacked him. He often left me with bruises though. He said that was completely my fault and he was reacting to my abuse. He said he had never had this with other women so it was clearly me. (I was his first long term relationship). He told people I was an abuser.

This person isn't in my life anymore so I guess it doesn't matter.

But was I the abuser?

OP posts:
Bloatstoat · 07/09/2023 18:33

There's an absolute difference between the sort of lines an ex of mine used to come out with, "It's your fault I have to react like this/look what you've made me do/you pushed me too far" in reaction to some imaginary fault or not making some invisible standard he had just invented, from what happened to you OP - being pushed and pushed until you react in a way that is so out of character for you it bothers you many years later.

A while ago my older child went through a stage of deliberately winding up the other one, and when she had enough and pushed him or hit him, he would run to tell what she'd done to get her into trouble. Obviously I made it clear to her that behaving like that was never OK- but I also made it very clear to my eldest that this sort of manipulation and deliberately provoking behaviour was unacceptable too. He was 6 and didn't really understand what he was doing, just that he could provoke a reaction and cause some trouble. Your ex knew exactly what he was doing, framing his abuse in a way that was particularly damaging to you and left him able to appear the victim.

We are absolutely all responsible for our own behaviour, I'm not saying what you did was right or OK, but you weren't the abuser in this situation, you weren't driving it.

CardiganBardigan · 07/09/2023 18:47

Coercive control is exerted through psychological and emotional abuse as well as physical violence. The absence of physical violence does not mean there is no abuse happening. Also, the physically violent person is not always the abuser. A punch thrown in order to dominate and control is very different from a punch thrown in self-defence. Partners who are coercively controlling will often provoke their victims to 'fight back' as a means to further control them - 'you're the aggressive one, you're the one who's shouting', etc.

It's not about who gets 'physical' or aggressive first, it's about who has the power in the relationship. Who has the control.

CardiganBardigan · 07/09/2023 18:49

https://www.psychologytools.com/resource/coercive-methods-for-enforcing-compliance/

This link might explain a bit more about what you experienced.

ilovelasagne · 07/09/2023 18:52

Please don't listen to @Sidslaw. It's painfully obvious they have never been in a situation like yours. Sidslaw, often you can't "just leave". There are many many reasons why someone can't, from financial, to emotional, to trauma bonds. Trauma bonds are insidious, they are caused by a chemical shift in your brain that occurs after prolonged emotional abuse, and they are incredibly hard to break. I know from experience. I'm in the same situation OP, still going through it.
I also get the stone walling and the name calling. I routinely get told it's not name calling though, it's "behaviour labelling". Apparently if he thinks I'm acting like a "f&£king b1tch" he can call me a "f&£king b1tch" and that it's his right to do so because he's just labelling my behaviour. I normally get a tirade like that when I lay a boundary.
I've thankfully worked on myself enough so that I don't react like I used to (same as you, tears, shaking) and I now can ignore it in the main while I work out my exit plan. It takes a lot of energy to even ignore it though. It's insidious but to recognise that's it's THEM with the issue, not YOU is the turning point in these relationships. Keep believing in yourself and you'll see it from above. Doesn't necessarily make it easier to escape but at least you can start building back self esteem. It's a hard thing to do. Sending hugs x

Sayitaintso33 · 08/09/2023 08:32

But why is every unhappy relationship abusive? Given a choice, most people would much rather be happy than in charge. Many of us enjoy being in charge, and if we're sensible we learn to compromise, but because bossing someone around in a miserable relationship isn'r how many of us envisage a happy marriage.

Once a relationship is miserable people often behave badly. They raise their voices, they say things the regret, they ignore their partner, they think their partner is always unreasonable. They begin to resent everything about their partner. Even if this is reactive it doesn't necessarily follow the other wanted to be in charge. It might just mean he/she cracked first.

Some couples just don't get on, they irritate each other. And years of irritation and frustration lead to problems. It's not always abuse it's often incompatibility.

roses321 · 15/09/2023 09:38

Sidslaw · 06/09/2023 20:17

but she was physical first - really though, does it matter? She shouldn't have stayed in that relationship

Can you just get off this thread please you have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about and need to go and EDUCATE your ignorant self about abuse. I really can't stand seeing posts like this, they're just full of such rubbish and so ignorant.

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