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Holiday with FWB ex + New girlfriend

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ReturnoftheMe · 30/08/2023 09:36

Looking to get some neutral advice on a very tricky situation and to know if I over reacted.

My ex and I since the past year out of a 10 year relationship have been co parenting in "harmony". This has been a massive challenge for me to get to this point because he was emotionally abusive, and physically a couple times earlier on in the relationship. He also cheated several times, including while I was pregnant, and over all was a dreadful partner.He had a split personality. He was mostly funny, jovial, affectionate (sex was amazing) and we actually got a long 95% of the time. However he had a rough childhood, was a gambler and obsessed with drugs and the party lifestyle which was the point of contention between us as I tried to "sober" him up, and he resented me and the 2 children for it. He wanted to be free of his demons but never could manage it.

So I walked away finally, and we now live in separate countries.

The main reason I got back to being his friend is because he had a revelation last year and apologised sincerely for all he put me through and he was taking steps to overcome his addictions with 12 step programs/ GA etc.

We start sleeping together this year once again, he has seen the kids 3 times this year in our country prior to the holiday and we decided, although we're not an item, we'd continue to be intimate because neither of us was seeing anyone else. No physical contact at least. We would speak every day, would be flirty through messages and generally just acting like a long distance couple, without the title. Stupid I know, and of course a recipe for disaster keeping sex in the mix. However I thought it was harmless at the time.

7 days before our holiday he announces that he has made a connection with a woman he met at a party a week prior. I told him I was happy for him, but now didn't feel like we could go on this intimate holiday as we had planned all these months if he was striking up a new relationship. He assured me that nothing had changed, he would be attentive and present (because he had JUST met her) and we'd still have the holiday we imagined. I was dubious, and cried when I got off the phone because I had a feeling things could go wrong.

The night we arrived (first went to his country before travelling all together to Greece), the children and I, the ex was very sweet and looked so happy to have us there. We had sex that night, and in the morning everything seemed like we were on track for a nice holiday. However he had to work that day and was 3 hours late back home from the time he said he'd be. I grilled him on it because he couldn't meet my eyes when he entered and he said he had been with the new woman. After kids were in bed, I calmly let him know how hurt I was and that I didn't think we should make it to Greece after all because this was not what I signed up for and spent so much money to do. He apologised profusely, saying he didn't think I would be bothered as we're not a couple anymore but he would try not to keep talking to her while on holiday and focus on the children and I.

Throughout the duration in Greece he ignored me mostly during the day, texting with her, sending her photos etc, then as the late afternoon would come he'd start cosying up to me and would initiate intimacy each night. Mid way though the holiday, one evening I put the kids to bed and he had gone out to FaceTime with her. He came back very angry and said "I've now lost the woman I love because I had to confess that I was having sex with you"... I was floored by this and just got as far away from him as I could. It really triggered old memories of something heinous he had done in the past and in the morning I calmly told him how hurt and humiliated I was that he had brought me this far into the holiday only to purposely cause me pain.

Lots more happened after this, but explaining it all will drag the story out even longer, but the final came when we had left Greece and travelled back to his country for the last few days of vacation. He disappeared again to go and speak to her, so when he returned, I was calm but the following morning I kicked off. Screaming and swearing and insulting him with words I never use, then I abruptly booked a flight (5days earlier than our scheduled one) and I left that afternoon with the children. He will now use this angry episode of rage to make me look bad to everyone and tell them I am crazy, but I am wondering if he will tell the whole story of the 3 weeks we had together leading up to my anger.

Was my reaction out of line (probably), but am I a bad person for not being sorry and feeling I was justified after the mess he created (and I allowed)? Sadly the children witnessed my tirade, so that is where I definitely fucked up, but at that moment I felt so much anger that it was the only thing I could do to stop myself throwing something physically in his face.

Sorry for the long message, but I was hoping to avoid the drip feed.

Any advice on what I should do when he tries to approach me to talk about what happened? Is this acceptable behaviour, and how do I navigate co parenting at a distance without having to engage with him. Kids are 2 and 7.

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Seaoftroubles · 30/08/2023 10:06

You know in your heart it was a massive mistake to agree to the holiday and even worse to have sex with him again. He told you he had met someone so it was doomed from the start. Close down contact now, all future correspondence re your children through email only. You knew his history, you both created this mess and unfortunately your children were caught in the middle. Time to disengage and firm up your boundaries.

ReturnoftheMe · 30/08/2023 13:16

I didn't think at the time of planning to holiday that it would be a massive mistake because we had been getting along better than we had for a few years and he was committed to not seeing other women, without us even being a couple. He wanted to show he could be loyal, even as a friend. I fell for it. That is my regret, but he did everything right.

I absolutely need to firm up my boundaries.

He just emailed me 2 hours ago, first contact since I left on Friday and said "you need therapy to work through what you're anger issues are"
Not addressing the holiday at all.
Pointed out that he needs me to be mentally healthy for the children and that he wants to make sure we stay friends.

I think I just have to delete the email. Our daughter has an iPad so he will have to only have contact with her for a few weeks until I can even say anything to him. When I do, I will have to let him know that a friendship is no longer an option. I am in so much emotional pain with this man. I had moved on, and he pulled me back into this misery!

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EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 30/08/2023 13:58

Think to yourself, but don't say to him, "Thank you, ex, for reminding me what a despicable shit you are. Thank you for brutally hammering in the final nail of the coffin in which you buried our relationship. Thank you for finally helping me see that attempting to be on friendly terms with you is like sticking my hand in a fire."

Allow yourself to wallow briefly in anger - at him, and at yourself for being fooled. Then turn that anger into determination to never let him, or any man, do this to you again. Promise yourself that in future, when that little voice says to you" Hmm, I think this is going to go wrong," you'll listen to it.

Don't respond to his mail right now. When you do, be firm but polite and just stick to statements like" I think it's best we remain co-parents, not friends. "

Onwards and upwards 🌷

AgentJohnson · 30/08/2023 14:32

I agree with the above poster, blurring the lines by sleeping with him was a massive mistake. You can’t keep waiting for him to be different. He will either will be an engaged father or he won’t be, that decision is his and his alone.

Move on already, if not for yourself for your child. Your Ex is a slow car crash and you may need to help with detoxing from him and his drama.

JFDIYOLO · 30/08/2023 15:05

😲
What in the name of sanity are you doing?
To yourself?
To your children??
Subjecting them to this utter car crash of a man?

Acheyknees · 30/08/2023 15:17

You shouldn't have blurred the lines of the relationship you have with your 'ex' by sleeping with him. A joint holiday whilst he was in a new relationship with someone else was always going to be problematic. Keep your lives separate, keep relationships separate and don't sleep together!

IhearyouClemFandango · 30/08/2023 15:21

Woaaaahhh, you knew he was seeing someone when you went on holiday, but then got surprised/angry when he was then in contact with her?

He sounds like a shit, but honestly, your judgement and behaviour is way off par.

ReturnoftheMe · 30/08/2023 15:42

@IhearyouClemFandango He met the woman 2 weeks before holiday and told me 7 days before. It is hardly a relationship even though he declared he loved her, but this is his pattern. Hot and heavy and then he gets bored and moves on.

The day he told me about her was the last day for me to cancel our airbnb in Greece and he begged me not to, saying that this was someone he only met recently, he wanted to be upfront about it to show he was trustworthy, but I shouldn't worry because it didn't change our plans which were made end of February. Months ago!

I told him I would rather not go because I didn't sign up to be front and centre of his new rush of love. Even when we got to his country, when he went off to see her, I said again, I am perfectly fine to lose the money if he was going to keep speaking to her all day every day because I don't want to pay money to subject myself to that. He said he spoke about it with her and they were going to reconnect when me and the children were gone.

The issue is, he didn't stick to his word at any turn. If he was already seeing someone before, I would NOT have planned a holiday with him, or even considered it.

@Acheyknees you're right. Sleeping together has to be taken out of the equation. He always called it Exes with benefits and I've not been seeing anyone else so I admit, the affection was definitely welcomed. I have the kids alone in the UK, work full time and have no time to even contemplate meeting anyone else, so I guess my loneliness has overridden my sense of self respect.

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Patchesofdrizzle · 30/08/2023 16:00

He reeled you in for his ego, but as a pp said, he's reminded you of who he really is now, so you can properly seperate.

You need much stricter boundaries with him, and no joint holidays, hard as it is to be apart from your kids while they're with him.

He's a total dick, strung you both along, his 12 step process hasn't changed the way he views women.

IhearyouClemFandango · 30/08/2023 18:12

By all means go.on holiday if you must, but shagging him and getting sad because he talks to her is a different matter.

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