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Boyfriend's female friend jealous of me?

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Coffeetraveler · 29/08/2023 14:18

Dear all,

I am on holiday with my boyfriend and his mates. one of them is a woman and she seems to be very jealous of me (and the other woman in the group). She's constantly making snide remarks and putting me down and it's making it really uncomfortable! At the same time, my boyfriend can do no wrong and she flirts with him.

My boyfriend is reassuring with me and is starting to see her behaviour is ridiculous too. We both feel a bit sorry for her because life isn't going her way at the moment but she's making me miserable and its made us reassess if we want to go on future holidays with her.

How would you deal with this situation? We're home at the weekend and back to normal life but I'm not sure what to do now.

Advice welcomed

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AtrociousCircumstance · 29/08/2023 14:20

Call her on it.

”Wow, that’s mean! Are you ok?!”

And if you boyfriend is present he needs to be the one to say, Oi, less of that please! Or something.

And obviously don’t go on holiday with her again. Unless you’re a glutton for punishment.

Chowtime · 29/08/2023 14:23

What @AtrociousCircumstance said. Also - plonk yourself right in the middle of her and your boyfriend if she's flirting she'll soon stop I had to do this once.

Coffeetraveler · 29/08/2023 14:40

Ha! Thanks both! Brilliant advice and made me smile

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LHJ21 · 29/08/2023 15:41

Can you and your boyfriend not spend some of the time alone without your friends to try and restrict time with her?

Hellosausag · 29/08/2023 15:42

Your boyfriend should deal with it. He should not be friends with someone that makes you feel like that, end of.

Pinkbonbon · 29/08/2023 15:50

'Don't speak to me like that Sandra'

And if I caught her flirting I'd be like 'umm...hello Sandra, I'm right here, you know, his girlfriend'.

But tbh I'd expect my partner to say that we don't need to hang around eith them anymore because it's ridiculous.

Tbh though I'd also be wondering if they had something on the go that I was unaware of. You sure you trust him?

CapEBarra · 29/08/2023 16:10

Just bellow, “HOW RUDE!” And laugh your head off. Or “Ooh, saucer of milk, table for one”, or “Oh bless, do you have a little crush on my Brian’”

solice84 · 29/08/2023 16:19

He shouldn't be 'friends' with her if she acts like this
End of

Nicole1111 · 29/08/2023 16:32

Say “sorry I didn’t hear that can you repeat it”every time she says something mean. That often stops them in their tracks

EndlesslyMusing · 29/08/2023 16:36

Situations like this are tedious, OP.

One of mine and my boyfriend's mutual friends started flirting with him when we got together. She did the things you've described plus trying to join in in private jokes, being rude and dismissive to me when he wasn't there, snide comments etc.

We tried ignoring her. I felt he should be the one to have handled it (and he should) but he thought that ignoring it would make it stop and I think he was a bit embarrassed about bringing it up. Ignoring it didn't work though. In the end, it kind of blew up a bit and we had to leave the friendship group.

It all got a bit unpleasant and now, nearly a year on, none of them speak to us anymore because of it. I still think that wouldn't have happened if he'd tackled it head on right at the beginning.

He doesn't need to be unkind but he needs to shut it down when she does it and make it clear that it isn't welcomed.

"What are you doing?"
"Don't do that, I don't like it."
"I don't want you to say that."
"I dont appreciate you speaking to coffee like that."

It needs to come from him though. If it comes from you, she'll perceive you as being jealous and that just spurs people like her on more. She'll believe that her interest in him is reciprocated because he'd be the one to say something otherwise.

ConnieTucker · 29/08/2023 16:50

Tbh though I'd also be wondering if they had something on the go that I was unaware of
id wonder about their history too.

EndlesslyMusing · 29/08/2023 16:55

ConnieTucker · 29/08/2023 16:50

Tbh though I'd also be wondering if they had something on the go that I was unaware of
id wonder about their history too.

I suspect that, if this were the case, he would have already dealt with it by now himself. If that were the case, he'd be close enough to her to take her to one side and ask her what the hell she's playing at.

I posted on here about my situation at the time. There were an awful lot of people.who gleefully told me there must have been something going on. Even ignoring the fact that she was married to make their point.

Some women can't believe that other women can behave like this without having been led on or hurt by the man involved. They can and they do.

Coffeetraveler · 29/08/2023 17:04

Thanks all for the fab advice!!!

bf deffo not interested in her advances (its actually quite laughable watching them interact) and has made it clear, that I'm much more important to him than her. Yes Ok, I see that it needs to come from him not me as she is delusional and doesn't listen to anything I say anyway.

Back at home, shes quite powerful socially and hosts lots of parties etc. and i think everyone here is a bit scared of her because were all running around like blue-arsed flies, following out her endless requests (me less so but her immediate friends). and no one seems to be having much fun.

I am playing the long term game and my bf said last night that shes a friend we can spend time with in verrry small doses. I suspect in 10 years we'll barely see her but it's not a comfortable situation and I have no idea how to navigate my way through it. Thank you all for your clear and supportive messages!!!

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EndlesslyMusing · 29/08/2023 18:12

Back at home, she's quite powerful socially and hosts lots of parties, etc.

Why was I not surprised to read this!

How long have you two been together? Was he single for a while before that or in a relationship?

It's good that you and your boyfriend are on the same page with this, OP. It's also important to not underestimate how far she might take it and how far she'll go. I know that all sounds rather dramatic and 'teenage' but, IME, once someone like this has shown they are prepared to disregard social norms and boundaries, they become a bit 'gloves off' when they feel thwarted.

The way to navigate your way through it is to keep talking with your boyfriend. Have very clear strategies and responses and use them every time. Never let a flirt or a snide comment go unchallenged because she's likely to take that as a green light. Present a united front.

Eg we had a whatsapp group chat. He would message everyone in that and then she would message him privately with lots of ❤️😘🥰 emojis. It was clear from the wording of the messages that they were designed to elicit a protective/complimentary response to her (affected) vulnerability. He dealt with it by showing me the messages and asking me to reply to her so she knew there were no secrets between us. That did put a bit of a stop to that.

I know what others mean about making dismissive comments or getting in between them but, depending on her personality, this won't have the desired effect of making her feel embarrased. She will see it as you feeling threatened and, if it's not your boyfriend challenging it, she will see him as being OK with it (which will encourage her) and you as being jealous (which will amuse and encourage her).

Given that you have said she is a strong character, she is unlikely to go go down without a fight. Sadly.

And lastly, I just want to reiterate dealing with it from now onwards. I really do think the only reason it escalated in our situation is because my boyfriend thought if he ignored her, she'd get the message and stop, so by the time it blew up, it was a mess and we lost the entire friendship group.

Coffeetraveler · 30/08/2023 08:35

Thank you so much Endlessly!!!

This woman has 'cancelled' people from the friendship group before who don't do as she wishes so I know bf is worried about that. It could happen anytime but bf isnt ready to let this group go yet. We've been together 2 years & he was single for many years prior and I think seeing him in a relationship is a huge adjustment.

From the sounds of things you and your partner handled things very well, as best as anyone could. How did things blow up in the end? Are you able to see anyone from that group now socially?

Yes, you're right about having a plan. There is some messaging that goes on between them but all above board, nothing flirty but ill keep talking with bf about that. They also have a group weekend away booked which i cant (now dont want to) attend. My bf not even keen to go so i think he might cancel which could well be perceived as a friendship-ending thwart.

and you as being jealous (which will amuse and encourage her). What i was feeling but couldn't place and articulate. Thank you!!!

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EndlesslyMusing · 30/08/2023 09:35

I'm very aware in responding to you that my situation isn't yours and that the people are different but I always work on interpreting and responding to patterns of behaviour and that hasn't let me down yet!

I'm also going to give you examples of my experience because then you can see where I'm coming from.

This woman has 'cancelled' people from the friendship group before who don't do as she wishes so I know bf is worried about that. It could happen anytime but bf isnt ready to let this group go yet.

That's hard because it does sound as though you are likely to be ostracised before she reins it in, which is really sad for you and your boyfriend (who I'm guessing was in the group before you came along.) It's also why it's important for him to take the lead in shutting it down. The others will respond better to him doing it than you and it gives you both the best chance of damage limitation within the group.

We've been together 2 years & he was single for many years prior and I think seeing him in a relationship is a huge adjustment.

Yep.

In my case, it was because, before I joined the group (we all did a hobby together too), she considered herself to he the one that 'all the men fancied'. We did actually become friends, and she admitted to me one day that she was jealous of me when i first joined because she thought I'd now be the one that 'all the men fancied'. When he and I got together, that was an affront to her belief and that was the crux of it all.

From the sounds of things you and your partner handled things very well, as best as anyone could. How did things blow up in the end? Are you able to see anyone from that group now socially?

Tbh, I don't think it was handled very well. He avoided and ignored her but didn't actually say anything to her. She was also a strong character and I'm quite quiet and come across as a bit meek. So she confronted me about it one day and I had no choice but to tell her how we both felt whereas I think I was supposed to feel awkward and apologise and smooth things over.

I was as kind as I could be about it but honest and it was obviously humiliating for her. She shouted at me, threw a few insults. Got off the phone with me and immediately messaged him. He didn't reply but forwarded me the message.

It was more of the usual stuff. She'd quoted me directly, apologised unreservedly but in such a way that she obviously expected him to reassure her/be horrified I'd said such things. Eg "Endlessly has told me how awful I've made you feel and you both feel about me. I'm so sorry if I've made you feel uncomfortable etc etc" She was clearly expecting him to say "you haven't made me feel uncomfortable" etc but he didn't.

We continued with the hobby for a few more weeks but she escalated her behaviour. She would stand at the side of the room looking forlorn and refusing to participate, make big dramatic announcements apologising for being quiet and about how sad she was feeling, run out of the room in near tears... all designed to prompt others to follow and comfort her (because it was so unlike her) when she would tell them how awful I (in particular) had been to her. It was important she was seen as the injured party.

Other people had noticed (and commented to me on) her behaviour towards my boyfriend and were taking the piss out of her to him but once she was 'upset', I became the Bad Guy because she'd made out to everyone else that only I had the problem with her (why it's important your boyfriend is seen to be challenging it). I was being unkind to her and turning my boyfriend against her because I was insecure and jealous...

Her intention was clearly to remove me from the hobby/friendship group and, ultimately, it worked because I did leave but she didn't anticipate him leaving with me. Which fucked the hobby up for a while for everyone else doing it. I was held responsible for that too because she'd painted such a vivid picture of victimhood that I had become a master manipulator who had blown the whole thing apart and he was seen as a bit of a fool who couldn't stand up to me. As it was, him leaving was never mentioned and I had no idea he was planning to until he'd told them.

A year in, well we speak to another couple who left at the same time as us because they didn't like her overbearing personality generally and only stayed because of my boyfriend and me. He speaks to one man still who has been his friend for over 30 years but this man doesn't like me and hasn't even acknowledged my presence on the two occasions we've bumped into him - my boyfriend doesn't like that.

Another woman has contacted me to tell me some of her experiences with this woman - along similar lines. We don't see her very often.

Everyone else blocked me on SM and have ignored us both (more me tbf) since.

I still think that if he'd shut it down in the first place by respectfully telling/asking her to stop, it might have peek

EndlesslyMusing · 30/08/2023 09:40

Sorry, pressed send accidentally!

It might have prevented it from escalating.

I wouldn't have been vilified. He wouldn't have been seen as weak.

She wouldn't have been able to manipulate the situation so easily.

She could have backed down quietly and saved face. She wouldn't (necessarily) have felt the need to discredit me.

But that's why I said not to underestimate how far she will be wiling to take it if she feels thwarted.

EndlesslyMusing · 30/08/2023 09:42

Tbh, in your boyfriend's shoes, I wouldn't go on the weekend away.

Coffeetraveler · 04/09/2023 18:33

Yes, thank you so much for your response. I’m so sorry you went through that experience! I’m also sorry for my late reply. We’re home now and processing it all. The ‘me being jealous of her’ script had started towards the end of the holiday and Im now very aware of the direction this could take. I’m hoping my social skills are good enough to avoid any fall outs.

Im going to really keep my distance from the group so I don’t get painted in an unfair light. plus, have lots of conversations with my bf about how he’s going to handle things as I know where I stand & what I expect from him long term. I’ll spend time with my own friends and family for a while as it’s clear that my bf’s friend needs some time to adjust to him being in a serious relationship.

Hopefully she’ll get a boyfriend of her soon and stop spending her holiday time with mine!

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GR8GAL · 05/09/2023 10:41

Coffeetraveler · 29/08/2023 17:04

Thanks all for the fab advice!!!

bf deffo not interested in her advances (its actually quite laughable watching them interact) and has made it clear, that I'm much more important to him than her. Yes Ok, I see that it needs to come from him not me as she is delusional and doesn't listen to anything I say anyway.

Back at home, shes quite powerful socially and hosts lots of parties etc. and i think everyone here is a bit scared of her because were all running around like blue-arsed flies, following out her endless requests (me less so but her immediate friends). and no one seems to be having much fun.

I am playing the long term game and my bf said last night that shes a friend we can spend time with in verrry small doses. I suspect in 10 years we'll barely see her but it's not a comfortable situation and I have no idea how to navigate my way through it. Thank you all for your clear and supportive messages!!!

She sounds like an absolute melt. I would question why you're "friends" in the first place. Was it just happenstance or did you become friends naturally? If it was anything but the latter I'd cut her out, don't need that negativity, especially not on holidays where you're trying to relax.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 05/09/2023 10:47

ignore her
be icily polite and that’s all
give her no change to engage so no questions or comments

and no more holidays with her ! Life is too short

Coffeetraveler · 05/09/2023 12:13

Thanks all for your fab responses. I wasn't sure if posting would help but reading the messages gave me perspective!

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5128gap · 05/09/2023 12:24

Firstly you need to stop thinking of her as jealous of you. You have no way of knowing if this is the case, or if she's just an unpleasant women who doesn't like other women and flirts with men.
By analysing her and deciding she's unhappy or wants to be in your shoes, you run the risk of becoming competitive (your boyfriend thinks you're 'much more important than her' etc) and keeping tabs on who's 'winning'. It also puts your BF in the very flattering position of thinking women are competing for him, which is an unhealthy dynamic in a relationship.
Focus instead purely on her behaviour. She's rude, you challenge her. She's overly flirty with your BF, he tells her to stop. Which really he should have done the first time in no uncertain terms.

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