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Odd one regarding his ex. Any suggestions?

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SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 08:41

I've been with my boyfriend for 2 years. His background is that he was married for 20 years and discovered that she was frequently cheating on him so divorced her. He was devastated at the time. Following that, he had another long term relationship which ended and then he and I got together.

When they first separated, she would turn up at places she knew he would be and try and win him back. This stopped when he got into his next long term relationship. And they were able to be friendly for the sake of their children. As far as I understand, their paths didn't really cross socially and she left him alone other than co-parenting.

When his relationship ended, she contacted him and asked if they could try again. This was nearly 10 years after they divorced and she was in serious co-habiting relationship by then. He told her no and that was that. Then we got together. When she found out, she did the same again.

He obviously told her no and now she has started turning up at places she'll know he'll be again.

They weren't friends on any SM but not blocked either because it wasn't necessary. When we got together, she started following him on fb and has recently started commenting on his posts of us together etc. Nothing sinister but the nature of them was quite 'territory marking' and not in keeping with the nature of their current relationship like an implied closeness and friendliness that doesn't exist in reality. Comments to him not us. So he blocked her.

One of his hobbies is very longstanding and very public and she has started also following their page so she knows where he is going to be for this hobby. She has joined fb groups he's in specifically because he is in them. Ones related to the hobby that she has no interest in other than him being in them too so she knows where he is and what he's doing. And she turns up at most, if not all, public events again.

None of this is a particular problem. He thinks she's ridiculous but it doesn't bother him. However, the first time she did it, she was quite friendly towards me but all in relation to him - a glowing reference of him as a partner, I seemed lovely and she was glad he'd found me etc. But every other time she's been quite hostile.

On every other occasion, she has just stood there staring at me. I thought to begin with that maybe she wasn't looking at me at all or that she didn't recognise me but then I was talking to someone else and she was standing 6 feet away from me, on her own facing me and just staring at me. I smiled at her thinking maybe I just looked like I was staring too! But she didn't smile back. Now, she stands there either staring at me or looking me up and down and just giving me childish dirty looks.

He knows but he doesn't see it because he's doing his hobby thing and she doesn't do it when we are together. So he agrees it is weird but doesn't really think much of it.

He doesn't really mind if she turns up. He thinks its odd that she wants to but it's a public place and she quite often turns up with one of their children (who are adults now) and he can hardly dictate where she goes in public! She doesn't really speak to him very much but does try to catch his attention. And then stands there staring at me stony faced!

He's even joked that if we got married, he wouldn't be surprised if she turned up. The worst thing is that I think he's probably right! And i don't think he'd turn her away if she did either so as not to upset the children and cause a fuss.

She didn't do any of this while he was in his last long term relationship. She wasn't an issue and so even bringing it up feels like a 'me problem'.

I know I should (and do) just ignore but i dont like the hostility and I'm getting to the point where I don't want to go to these events because I can't relax and enjoy it with someone standing there staring at me.

And I'm not even sure why she's doing it in the first place when she didn't do it to his previous girlfriend at all.

Any suggestions?

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SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 10:41

Maybe,

"Is everything alright..?"

Her - whatever her response is.

Me - "Oh I just noticed you were staring at me..."

Might be better. Not aggressively but just to show it had been noticed and wasn't 'working'? I just wouldn't want anything unpleasant.

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YetMoreNewBeginnings · 23/08/2023 10:47

I don't know that his kids do think it's weird. They get to go out with their mum and it looks to them like everyone is being mature. If I approach her, it's going to look as though I'm the one causing the problem because no one else is seeing the staring etc. Or the online monitoring of his movements.

If they're adults then unless they're very young teen adults then they'll be aware of it - they'll have clocked the timing of it.

SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 11:02

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 23/08/2023 10:47

I don't know that his kids do think it's weird. They get to go out with their mum and it looks to them like everyone is being mature. If I approach her, it's going to look as though I'm the one causing the problem because no one else is seeing the staring etc. Or the online monitoring of his movements.

If they're adults then unless they're very young teen adults then they'll be aware of it - they'll have clocked the timing of it.

They're mid 20s so you're probably right. Maybe they have noticed the timings.

But they also probably welcome what feels like a bit of normality and their parents getting along.

From what I understand, she can be quite shouty and confrontational. I don't think anyone would appreciate me 'poking the bear'.

Ultimately, she's their mum.

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SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 11:05

Or appearing to get along to them at least.

My boyfriend thinks her behaviour is weird and ridiculous but I don't think he'd say that to her outright.

After all, what harm is she actually doing? I don't like it but is that really enough?

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IggySlave · 23/08/2023 13:39

owh id love to know the hobby!

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 23/08/2023 13:49

SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 11:02

They're mid 20s so you're probably right. Maybe they have noticed the timings.

But they also probably welcome what feels like a bit of normality and their parents getting along.

From what I understand, she can be quite shouty and confrontational. I don't think anyone would appreciate me 'poking the bear'.

Ultimately, she's their mum.

They're mid 20s. So they know that their Mum suddenly following their Dad's hobby right when he has a new partner is odd.

In mid 20s they know this is not them "getting along".

If she's shouty and confrontational that explains why they haven't said "No, Mum, you're not coming with me. That's weird" because she is, as you said their Mum.

That doesn't mean they won't find it weird. However, it's your partner's place to say something to her and the fact he hasn't is also weird.

He's choosing you being uncomfortable over her being shouty and confrontational with him.

HumourReplacementTherapy · 23/08/2023 14:09

Next time she's there on her own I'd just approach her in a friendly way
'Hi it's <Mary> isn't it? Who are you here to support?
See what she says.....
if she says the ex? Just laugh and ask her why.
And chance there's someone else in the group she knows and is there to watch ?

SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 14:18

However, it's your partner's place to say something to her and the fact he hasn't is also weird.

He's choosing you being uncomfortable over her being shouty and confrontational with him.

I do understand it to an extent though. What can he say?

I dont think he's worried about her having a go at him but he doesnt want his kids getting caught in the middle of a "Your dad and his fucking girlfriend telling me where i can and can't go" rant.

I know that the mature thing to do is the 'kill with kindness and ignore the rest' approach and hope she gets bored but I'm not really feeling inclined for that level of emotional work and discomfort at what is supposed to be a fun event.

What I keep coming back to is telling him that I won't be going to the events while she does because of the unpleasantness of her hostility towards me not because she is there. In theory, her being there too isn't really the issue. If she was being neutral or friendly towards me it wouldn't really bother me it's the fact she's being hostile and her underlying motivation for that that does. It's up to him how he deals with that.

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SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 14:21

HumourReplacementTherapy · 23/08/2023 14:09

Next time she's there on her own I'd just approach her in a friendly way
'Hi it's <Mary> isn't it? Who are you here to support?
See what she says.....
if she says the ex? Just laugh and ask her why.
And chance there's someone else in the group she knows and is there to watch ?

It's a nice idea but it's definitely and obviously him. There isn't anyone else.

And I'm not sure I could be that bold! 🤣

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SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 14:27

The more I think about it, the more I think telling him I'm not going to go is the only way to deal with it.

That way, I'm not asking him to do anything. I'm saying, I don't like this situation so I'm not putting myself in it again - thats my choice. He then has the choice to address it or not and spend the foreseeable future having nights out with his ex wife rather than his girlfriend.

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JJ8765 · 23/08/2023 14:31

Why doesn’t he tell his children if they want to come along and watch him in future to contact him directly and let him know so he can offer them a lift or hang out after? If she continues to show up separately and track his movements he can ask her to stop and if she doesn’t he can report it as stalking which is a crime. You are both being stalked. The police would be able to identify the online monitoring. It’s odd he’s not shutting it down more firmly. If he isn’t in regular direct contact with the dc I’d suggest he increase the frequency so there’s much less need for her to pretend she’s facilitating stuff.

Cherrysoup · 23/08/2023 14:36

Can’t he ask his dc not to bring her/tell her they’re going? It’s a bit obsessive/weird!

SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 14:38

JJ8765

In an attempt to both vague and succinct, I realise I didn't make this clear.

She goes with them in the sense that she hasn't yet been unless one of them is there and at least one of them usually is.

His kids either travel together or with their respective partners.

She usually makes her own way there.

I hadn't thought about it in terms of stalking but you're right. It is.

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SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 14:41

I think he'd think it was a bit dramatic to call it atalking. Although he does.agree it's weird and a bit obsessive.

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SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 14:49

I think I'm going to go to the next one in a few weeks time and, if/when it happens again, I'll tell him I'm not going to anymore whilst she's still going because of it. If he doesn't understand why, I'll say that she's stalking him/us. Following on SM, joining groups she has no interest in other than him, turning up to every event she knows he'll be at, standing staring at me.

If he disagrees and isnhappy for le to not go so that she can, I guess I'll know where I stand!

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GrumpyPanda · 23/08/2023 14:54

SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 10:23

Since he and I got together, she's attended nearly every event, joined fb groups to do with the hobby (I'm in a couple of them too so i know she joined recently), started following their page, sent him a fb friend request (which he ignored) and started following him instead.

Some of the groups have been set up for specific events and she's joined those too.

She doesn't contribute to the groups because they're really about organising, logistics, planning and debriefing. A way for the event planners to disseminate information to participants. Some of them are annual and widely publicised events which is how she knows he's participating.

It's like she's trying to create a sense of involvement in his life that doesn't exist. Or trying to make her presence felt to me. Or just keeping tabs on what he is doing.

So these aren't actually public groups as opposed to the events page anyone can simply follow. If she's not actually involved with what the groups are for then your partner has every right to explain to the admins about his stalker ex and ask them to block her. You need to get on one page with him.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 23/08/2023 15:05

He should also be speaking up for the sake of his children - if stalking an ex is normalised to them they risk getting themselves arrested if they try it with an ex that isn't as passive as your DH!

And also it shouldn't be normalised to them as a way that their exes should behave either.

SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 15:06

It's both.

So she sees/follows the public events pages but has joined a couple of event specific participants groups too, yes.

We have both left the ones she joined because those events have ended and we didn't want to see several months worth of inane participant chat in them after the fact (but also because we were uncomfortable she'd joined) and there are no other active ones at the moment but if it happens again, I think he will have to do that.

Hadn't even thought of that. Thanks.

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Callipygion · 23/08/2023 15:08

SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 14:49

I think I'm going to go to the next one in a few weeks time and, if/when it happens again, I'll tell him I'm not going to anymore whilst she's still going because of it. If he doesn't understand why, I'll say that she's stalking him/us. Following on SM, joining groups she has no interest in other than him, turning up to every event she knows he'll be at, standing staring at me.

If he disagrees and isnhappy for le to not go so that she can, I guess I'll know where I stand!

If she’s standing staring at you at that one, get your phone out and film her doing it, each time.

SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 15:10

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 23/08/2023 15:05

He should also be speaking up for the sake of his children - if stalking an ex is normalised to them they risk getting themselves arrested if they try it with an ex that isn't as passive as your DH!

And also it shouldn't be normalised to them as a way that their exes should behave either.

That's true. And he is a bit passive.

He does tend to be a bit passive because he judges people by his own standards and he's harmless. He doesn't get that not everyone is the same though. He just wants an easy life without drama as most people do.

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SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 15:12

Callipygion · 23/08/2023 15:08

If she’s standing staring at you at that one, get your phone out and film her doing it, each time.

That's brilliant! 😁

At least I can prove its happening then.

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SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 15:12

Or more importantly just how hostile she looks while she's doing it!

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YetMoreNewBeginnings · 23/08/2023 15:23

SoManyChoresSoLittleTime · 23/08/2023 15:10

That's true. And he is a bit passive.

He does tend to be a bit passive because he judges people by his own standards and he's harmless. He doesn't get that not everyone is the same though. He just wants an easy life without drama as most people do.

There’s a big difference between wanting an easy life and accepting your ex making your new partner uncomfortable though.

If he doesn’t get it then ask him if he’d be happy for his daughter or sons ex to do this to them.

mindutopia · 23/08/2023 16:10

If your partner was a woman, and the ex was a man, I think this would be considered stalking. If someone has to block someone on social media or consider coming off it altogether or is having someone they know show up at ever event they participate in for an activity they do, that's crossing a line. Sorry no suggestions about what to do as it's really his situation to deal with. But I'd consider if this is the sort of baloney you want to deal with long-term. She's not doing anything 'wrong' in a criminal sense - as far as you know - she's not sitting outside his house or tracking his phone or his car, but it's still quite unsettling.

mirro · 23/08/2023 17:05

This Woman sounds a bit unhinged. She is trying to intimidate you. When you see her just give her a quick wave and a smile and don't look her way again. Engage in conversation with other people if you can. Just shut her out as the unimportant person she is.

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