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A tale as old as time, I'm struggling with how our relationship has changed after having a baby.

18 replies

OlderThanMyAge · 19/08/2023 19:47

Pre baby and we never argued. Maybe niggles and being irritated at each other but nothing major. We enjoyed eachothers company, stayed up late indulging in our favourite hobby (nothing rude by the way, just trying to keep my identity here secret). Of course the abundance of sleep and spare cash definitely played a factor.

We now have a toddler. My maternity leave was lonely, I have one mum friend with a baby a similar age. None of my family visited very often, I had my mum stay for a week after baby was born and then she'd visit once every three or four months (she lives very far away). I found myself missing my SO and then when he came home from work I just didn't want to be around him and felt irritated by him for no reason. Probably because even when he was home I was the default parent.

I chalked it up to hormones and read that you should wait a year before really worrying about relationship changes and troubles after having a baby. Well we're a few months past that and while things have improved, we seem to have more bad days than good, or a good day can turn sour in seconds if one of us says the wrong thing. We are snippy with eachother all the time, and little things that never would've annoyed me now really get me riled up but I keep it hidden because I don't want to overreact at everything.

Our toddler does independently play but most of the time she wants our full attention, whether that's playing, reading, cuddling or just general toddler shenanigans. One problem I've found is I will be giving her my full attention like reading her a book or singing to her and my SO will just try and strike up a conversation with me halfway through, not even small chit chat, it'll be something like what is my opinion on how we should re decorate the garden, or he'll tell me about a complex situation at work. So then either I stop what I'm doing with my toddler which isn't fair on her and causes her to get confused, or I just give brief answers to SO to show I'm vaguely listening, which makes him feel unheard and unseen. I suggested we have important or longer conversations when toddler is in bed but he said then we'd barely talk to eachother.

Aside from this things feel quite dry, conversations will be "what do you want to do this weekend" "I don't mind, what do you fancy" "it's up to you." (last one drives me nuts, why is it always my decision???), we're both often too tired to cook and seem to have a worsening takeaway addiction (I'm talking three or four times a week) which I believe makes us sluggish and grumpy, we both work full time, we have no outside help apart from nursery which means we can't save any money till the funded hours kick in. I did read that we should hire a babysitter but our toddler takes a very long time to warm up to strangers, and is not comfortable being picked up by anyone but me or her dad. So I've no idea how we'd begin to introduce a babysitter. We've not had a night out together for over a year, baby was already in bed and my mum was visiting and stayed home so we could go for a meal. Otherwise she comes with us wherever we go. We do give eachother days off, one of us will take the toddler out while the other stays in bed to sleep or just stays home in the peace and quiet.

I've read about the roommate phase but this has been going on for a very long time. I love him deep down but it breaks my heart to say it definitely ebbs and flows but more frequently ebbs. He's an amazing dad, is very hands on and dotes on our toddler. He earns more than me and works very hard and pays most of the nursery bill every month. But it seems our toddler takes up so much of our time that I feel like we're just parents, no romance or intimacy or laughter.

I do love and care for him but most days it feels like it's not enough. I think he might be cottoning on because sometimes I will stay quiet because I worry ill say something rude or mean or sarcastic otherwise, and he will worriedly ask me if I still love him and if I'm OK. I do love him, we are engaged but this is the hardest thing we've ever done and aside from my traumatic birth and aftercare, the strain having a baby has put on us has made me 90% one and done. We've been together almost a decade and I sometimes worry about our future together, I don't want us to be grumpy with eachother every day for the rest of our lives but I've no idea how to practice the mindfulness to not sweat the small stuff and pull through. We love our daughter more than anything, she is so smart and beautiful and hitting all of her milestones and sleeping brilliantly but she is a little firey tornado most days.

I'm sorry for the vent, I don't really have anyone else to talk to about this (don't even have the time these days even if I did have someone to talk to).

OP posts:
Sotired22 · 19/08/2023 19:58

I’m afraid I don’t have a lot of advice but I just wanted to say I think this is quite normal and it is still early days in your parenting life. It gets easier. Toddlers are very tiring and demanding. I do think having a baby changes the relationship though, for sure. You become mum and dad and things can annoy you so easily.

I’ve been married a decade and some days I genuinely think about divorcing my dh because he’s messy. I can’t remember it being an issue before we had kids but now it annoys me so intensely. I also feel touched out most days and don’t want physical affection. This is a problem that I sweep under the carpet but over time it has eroded the relationship I think and sometimes we feel more like mates / siblings?! I’m too tired to think about how to improve it though.

So basically, you’re not alone. It’s hard.

Octonaut4Life · 19/08/2023 19:59

From your post its not clear to what extent you've talked about this, and what the split of responsibilities in the house is. You say you both work but you're always the "default parent". Are you really just frustrated with him because he doesn't pick up enough slack when he is home and you're stressed out having to do everything around the house while also entertaining a toddler?

PaintedEgg · 19/08/2023 19:59

you're absolutely right - your love is not enough if you think that after spending most of your time and attention on your toddler its not fair to not do so for 30 min and speak to your SO, then complain your conversations are otherwise dry.

your toddler does not take up majority of your time - you refuse to balance your time and then blame your SO for your declining relationship

swanling · 19/08/2023 20:01

Have you told him any of this directly? Because you mention a few times essentially trying to hide how you feel, but if you don't talk to him how can you connect or resolve anything?

I don't think the "12 months" guideline means you should expect everything to instantly be better overnight. If it's a gradual upwards trajectory that's good.

How much time has your toddler spent with adults beyond your core family unit?

I'm sorry you've had such a hard time. You mentioned a traumatic birth followed by a lonely maternity leave - setting aside your relationship for a moment, how are you feeling in yourself at this point?

Screamingabdabz · 19/08/2023 20:13

In my mind, it’s when you have a life changing and challenging experience like having a baby, that’s when the real relationship starts. It’s like a diamond gets formed under the huge pressures of the earth. This is what forges (and tests to the limits) your bond, your friendship, your partnership, your trust, your sex life, your commitment and loyalty.

What you are describing is all very normal and may rumble on for a few years yet. The key is to keep communicating - even if you agree to disagree and to be intentionally respectful of each other. You are in the trenches and you have to bear in mind the advice from Churchill ‘when you’re in hell, keep going.’ If you’ve got a solid relationship based on mutual respect and love, you’ll muddle through these battles and at the end you’ll be stronger with a beautiful family and a lifetime of shared memories of going through the ‘tough times’ together.

Musomama1 · 19/08/2023 20:21

I hear you OP, it's relationship changing, our previously argument free relationship turned tense, chippy and not very nice.

We dug in and got used to a post child relationship. Over time I forgot how it used to be. Would be nice to be more peaceful but that's unrealistic now we have testing children!

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IvanTheDragon · 19/08/2023 20:47

I just typed a long message and then lost it, so I'll try to remember what I said...

I found that post-baby we had to communicate a lot more clearly and develop systems/routines to make sure we were getting time to ourselves and talking about the most important stuff, especially once my daughter got verbal and started joining in conversations. Now we text each other throughout the day if we have something important to talk about and include an emoji (the aubergine because we are extremely mature) and once our daughter is in bed and we are having dinner, we say "what are the aubergines today? It says here council tax aubergine and holiday ideas aubergine" - so important stuff doesn't get lost.

It's not time to despair, it's time to dig deep, talk a lot, and find systems that work for you so you get those moments of connection - doing your shared hobby during weekend naptimes, quarter of an hour sat together on the couch with no screens after dinner, etc.

I found that I considered my daughter part of the conversation long before my partner did, so he was in smile-and-cuddle-the-baby-and-talk-over-her-head mode long after I'd moved on to actually-me-and-her-are-having-a-conversation-don't-be-rude mode - that was something we actually had to discuss, and find ways of having a conversation that included her, even when her main contribution was "dog!" Etc. Otherwise I just got so overstimulated from what felt like having two conversations at once.

You can work through this OP! It's tough when they are tiny, but if you both put the work in you can come out stronger.

AnnaTortoiseshell · 19/08/2023 20:56

Screamingabdabz · 19/08/2023 20:13

In my mind, it’s when you have a life changing and challenging experience like having a baby, that’s when the real relationship starts. It’s like a diamond gets formed under the huge pressures of the earth. This is what forges (and tests to the limits) your bond, your friendship, your partnership, your trust, your sex life, your commitment and loyalty.

What you are describing is all very normal and may rumble on for a few years yet. The key is to keep communicating - even if you agree to disagree and to be intentionally respectful of each other. You are in the trenches and you have to bear in mind the advice from Churchill ‘when you’re in hell, keep going.’ If you’ve got a solid relationship based on mutual respect and love, you’ll muddle through these battles and at the end you’ll be stronger with a beautiful family and a lifetime of shared memories of going through the ‘tough times’ together.

I know this wasn’t written to me, but thank you for this.

OP I relate to a lot of what you’ve said. I do think it gets better. I’ve got a one and a three year old. Splitting the daily grind jobs more evenly and both pulling our weight helps (though the invisible jobs are mostly on me). Time helps. Interestingly, having another child has helped - DD1 doesn’t get all our attention all the time anymore, so it’s been easier to find space for everyone since DD2 came along. It’s also been easier to see that sometimes we do need to discuss big things when the kids are around, due to time constraints, and that is okay. Good for them, even. Not trying to persuade you to have a second! But I relate to a lot of what you said after DD1 was born, and I have a different perspective since having DD2, which might help you now.

Blackberriesbob · 19/08/2023 21:12

The example you gave with him talking to you when the toddler is looking for your attention - why don't you just distract the toddler foe a few minutes? 'Can you just go and find mummy some daisies from the garden and we'll make a daisy chain' -or something like that. Then you can talk to him. You don't have to give the toddler your 100% undivided attention all the time. If they're a young toddler, a playpen is a good idea, just to have a more relaxed twenty minutes here and there. You sound like you're being very intense about your toddler's needs but actually a bit of chilling out could be good for them too.

IvanTheDragon · 19/08/2023 21:21

The way I read the OP is that's she's literally in the middle of a song or a book with her toddler and her SO starts a conversation - I would find that rude and stressful, my brain can't handle those two things at once! But I agree it's important for adults to be able to have a conversation, and it might be a question of everyone, toddler and dad and mum, getting better at taking turns - "that's the end of this book, you go and play with your blocks while me and daddy have a chat, and we'll come and join in in a bit" etc.

dottiedodah · 19/08/2023 21:26

Hard going and fairly normal really.You say you havent had a break ,but when mine were small we used to go away for the odd WE with DC as no one to look after them .Still had a nice time and a break from the norm .Its hard work .Sometimes Nursery staff may be avaliable for occasional babysitting too .

Hiddenvoice · 19/08/2023 21:29

My dh and I went through this. I resented him and things felt awkward when we were alone as we had nothing to talk about.

The only thing that made our relationship better was being honest with each other. I told him I was exhausted, felt like I was doing everything, spoke about the mental load and the most annoying thing of me playing with our dd and him sitting on the couch. He was honest too about what he was feeling. It was then we decided to work together to save our marriage. We spoke about him staying elsewhere for a few days but when it came down to it he didn’t want to leave and I didn’t want him to leave either.

We now have a better split of the housework, of making dinners, we split bedtime routine and morning milk/ breakfast. This means that we are both doing our fair share, we’re eating much better and someone can relax at night and in the mornings which has had a big difference.
We also have one date day/ night a month. This has been difficult due to childcare but we’re working hard to make it work- our last date night was a take awah and a film on the couch once our dd was asleep. Phones were left upstairs too.
What also helped me was starting a new hobby. This has given me some freedom back and helped me feel like ‘hidden voice’ again instead of a wife and a mum.

I say all this as I felt the exact same as you. My marriage was at breaking point and I was ready to pack my stuff and go but we’ve turned it around and are far more happier .

Nobrainpowertothinkofaname · 19/08/2023 21:41

Completely understand, our Dd has just turned 5 and it still feels like we’re at this stage, following and hope things improve for you soon x

OlderThanMyAge · 19/08/2023 21:43

thanks, I needed that laugh!

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Didimum · 19/08/2023 21:44

If you can’t have an honest conversation to come up with practical steps and understanding, then I think you should invest in counselling. And you must invest in a babysitter. Do your best to put your concerns about how your child might respond aside - the babysitter will be experienced and safe and she will very likely stop crying 2 minutes after you leave - that’s kids for you. Your marriage is more important about your toddler being clingy for an evening a month.

BLT24 · 19/08/2023 21:51

I think the issues you are experiencing are quite common in any relationship of that length especially when additional responsibilities are added.

Open communication is key. And keep connecting. Schedule in fun as un-fun as that sounds it’s absolutely essential.

Can you use a babysitter once your toddler has gone to bed? Have regular date nights at home where you put phones away and properly catch up?

Instead of takeaways you could batch cook for an hour on weekends, buy healthy ready meals or have meals made up of pre prepped (shop bought) food that you throw together

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