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SIL has fallen out with us

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uselessaunt · 18/08/2023 14:10

This is a really tough one for me to write but I really need some honest advice. It’s a little long but background is needed.

DH’s brother and his partner had a child two years ago. Two years prior to that we moved to a completely different part of the country around four hours drive from where they live. DH and I don’t have any children and won’t have now at our age. We've never been kid people in that way that some people are just hard wired to want kids around and seem to be really natural when intercating with them. Always got on ok with sister in law but the relationship has always been a bit one sided. Silly things like I used to always share her posts from her small business on Facebook, interact with things she posts on her instagram, but she never really shows any interest in what I do, or supports my own small business on social media, so I don't a much as I used to. It’s always me who messages her first. I suffer from really bad depression but she’s never really been supportive when I’m having a bad time but when she had mental health problems a few years ago I was always there to lend an ear when she needed to chat. Never fail to send her a little gift her birthday and Christmas but I rarely even get a card from her. I’m a people pleaser and I constantly get myself in these situations where I’m the one making all the effort and getting little in return. Maybe that’s something I need to work on. Anyway, it didn’t bother me enough to ever bring it up, I’d rather just keep the peace in the family, until this happened.

I went to share something with SIL on Facebook and noticed we were no longer friends. She’s also deleted my DH. She’d also recently snubbed me over something else which really upset me, and BIL has also been distant with us, so this and being deleted on social media made me think DH and I must have done something to upset them both. So I asked if everything was ok and had we offended them in some way. They said yes, they were upset that we didn’t show more interest in their son and they don't think we pay enough attention when they posts pictures of him and our ‘flying visits’ aren’t good enough. I was shocked. As mentioned we live a four hour drive away, we both work full time running our own business’s and I work weekends while they work Monday to Friday. They know it’s the first year of my business and it’s been a bit of a struggle and that I can’t constantly be shutting my business on it’s busiest days (weekends) to come down more often. We tend to make the trip back home to see everyone four times a year. Parents etc usually visit us a good few times too so it’s every month or so really that we see family. Twice this year SIL has cancelled our visit with silly excuses at the last minute when we’ve been down in the area. Last time we visited she made us feel really unwelcome- she was cleaning the bathroom when we arrived despite us being on time for the time we agreed to be there and she didn’t emerge from her cleaning to say hello until we’d been there half an hour. I’ve invited her to come and visit us multiple times but she’s never made the journey in the four years since we moved (she has a car, drives and doesn’t have money worries). I’ve never failed to put a little comment on her pictures of her son every time she shares, it's only very recently that I haven't been so diligent with this because, as I say, I never get any interest from them in what I've been up to. So I guess the us not showing any interest in her pictures comes from this though it's not like we've been ignoring every picture.I know a child is more important than what I'm up to but it's still nice if interest in each others life goes both ways. I sort of feel like they think since they had a child that trumps everything that's going on in everyone else's life and nothing else matters. I've also been really struggling with depression recently and barely holding it together so maybe that's also affected how much time I spend thinking about our nephew. I also noticed after this she has deleted every single family member on my DH’s side on social media. Suspect it's for similar reasons.

When we go back home it’s usually just for a weekend and although we always make time for SIL and BIL and nephew it’s apparently classed as a ‘flying visit’ and because we don’t spend the whole day it’s not good enough. But the thing is we usually only have two days and in this time we have to visit- My Mum, My brother, MIL, other BIL and also them. They don’t all live really close together either so the weekend is spend running between four different towns , some about half an hour from each other, in order to fit everyone in. Occasionally we try and see good friends too. It’s absolutely exhausting as we feel we are being pulled in every direction when we travel up for a visit. It would help if, for example, the two BILs and SIL on my DHs side would agree to meet at MILs house with Nephew and we could see them all together. That would free up loads of time and we could potentially spend one day with them and then the next with my family. I’ve asked but they won’t. They all want us to come to their individual houses in their own towns to see them. They all like to be the ones receiving visitors. Yet we continue to do it just to keep everyone happy and because we genuinely do want to see them all.

It doesn’t look like the situation will resolve itself and I’m so upset. Myself and my DH absolutely do love our nephew and it’s so hurtful to be cut out of his life like this, but what should I do? How much time is reasonable to be spending with a nephew when you live further away? Am I being selfish? Should I be prioritising my nephew and making more time by not seeing my Mum when I’m there for example? Should I be shutting my business every other weekend to visit them? The social media stuff is just nonsese in my mind. Arguing over how many pictures get a comment or a like makes me feel like I'm in school. I just don’t know what to do but it certainly looks like unless we commit to being in his life a LOT more we won’t be seeing him at all.

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SuperSange · 18/08/2023 14:24

Let them be distant. I literally couldn't be arsed with any of that nonsense. You don't need to be freinds with her, so don't be.

Shoxfordian · 18/08/2023 14:27

One less visit to make- bit of a result

Caledoniadreaming · 18/08/2023 14:45

Frankly if she hasn't bothered making any efforts, I wouldn't bother wasting any more energy; yes it's sad that you won't know what your nephew is up to but that's her lookout really.

Wenfy · 18/08/2023 14:51

She thinks she’s the centre of the universe. I think you should tell her exactly what you have told us here: make it clear that while you love your DN you have your own life to lead. The fact she has deleted all of your DH’s family suggests she’s probably looking for excuses to priorise her family, so she may ignore everything you say anyway.

Cloudsandrainnotsunandsand · 18/08/2023 14:56

Way too much drama. Leave her /them to it. Has she been hoping for more ££ not time for her dc from you? A bloody massive pat on the back for liking all her posts. Is anyone really that interested in a dc you see a few times a year?

LSSG · 18/08/2023 15:01

Bizarre behaviour from her! Absolutely leave her to it. In fact, I'd say it's ok to be a bit angry! Don't let people treat you like that.

Merapi · 18/08/2023 15:02

She sounds insufferable. Let her stew in her own juice.

Your DH can maintain a relationship with his DB if he wants to, and you could always continue to send your nephew small gifts at Christmas or birthdays (it would be churlish not to), but otherwise, just leave it now. You've done enough.

DuploTrain · 18/08/2023 15:03

I have a toddler and am still not that interested in other people’s children.

It sounds like you’ve made an acceptable amount of effort.

I would leave it with them. Encourage your DH to still have a relationship with his brother and let them do all the arranging etc.

Letterposter · 18/08/2023 15:10

Op you sound lovely, will you be my sister in law?!

please stop beating yourself up. Sounds like you did everything right. I have a sister in law and brother in law who see our daughter every few months even though they live half an hour away but I have never been mad with them. Like you, They don’t have kids and won’t. They also have very busy careers. You can’t force someone to be interested and in our case, it has never bothered me because I am a reasonable person. Your sister in law doesn’t sound reasonable

there’s a lot of advice on here. What do you want in relation to your nephew?

if you want to continue seeing him perhaps ask his parents if they intend for this to affect your relationship with him, or if you can continue to see him.

if they are indeed keen on him having a relationship with you, they will encourage this.

if they don’t, then well I think that tells you everything you need to know

Aquamarine1029 · 18/08/2023 15:10

Op, take a very deep breath and let all of this go. Honestly, these people just don't matter. Your sister-in-law is a toxic bitch who you will never, ever be able to please. Bend over backwards for one thing, she'll complain about another. Cut her out, right now. Never give her headspace again. She just doesn't matter.

uselessaunt · 18/08/2023 15:11

Thank you so much, I genuinely didn't think me and DH had done anything wrong but I was really starting to worry that we were just awful and selfish because our of our level of interest. I find kids hard work when they're young to be honest and I have no clue how to interact with them, but I do my best to try and I absolutely do engage with him/ play with him when I see him. I honestly think I'd be a better Aunt when he's older, DH certainly would as he could take him to the football and things like that. I feel like we are being measured against her own brother and SIL on that side as they are super kid oriented and always taking him on days out/baby sitting etc. Absolutely fair enough of course but I think it's so harsh that we are being judged against them and we're not hitting the mark and we're being punished for not being super involved. I hate family tensions like this, it just makes me worry for upcoming birthdays of for the MIL and FIL when we'll likely get together and now things will just be really weird. Now that I think about it I'm actually really hurt and quite annoyed. I don't think I've done anything to deserve this and now even when I do show an interest it won't feel natural anymore, it'll feel forced, and I'll be constantly wondering if my attentions of enough or falling short.

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Mummy08m · 18/08/2023 15:12

Totally bonkers of the SIL. My in laws live a similar distance away (4/5h drive) and my SIL visits maybe once a year which is already really really kind of her and she helped me once with childcare when I really needed someone.

An aunt isn't a particularly close relationship and I already think you're doing way more than enough.

Also, we have a group chat where dh and I spam them with occasional photos of dd and it's totally standard for just the grandmothers to respond. My BIL will only comment on, say, 1 in 5 posts and that's already more than I'd expect!

Your SIL is BU

Mummy08m · 18/08/2023 15:14

I find kids hard work when they're young to be honest and I have no clue how to interact with them, but I do my best to try

Btw - this is completely normal and nothing to be ashamed of and doesn't make you a bad aunt

Dery · 18/08/2023 15:16

You SIL sounds quite toxic. She obviously thinks she and the DCs should be the centre of everyone’s universe. I feel a bit sorry for your DCs being raised by someone like that. They’re going to miss out. As is your BIL - it could be no accident that she’s alienating his family.

rwalker · 18/08/2023 15:16

You will never win so wouldn’t bother trying

I couldn’t get past grown adults unfriending you they sound about 12

uselessaunt · 18/08/2023 15:16

Goodness @Mummy08m that makes me feel better as we also have a family group chat for DHs side. Lots of baby spam as you'd expect, and it's nice seeing what he's been up to, same as it's nice seeing what anyone in the group has been up to and I always at least acknowledge with a heart. But they stopped sharing pictures of him. It went from twenty a day to none. I did wonder why but I didn't like to ask. It was apparently like some kind of test which we failed. They stopped to see if anyone would ask why and when we didn't ask that added to the reasons why we aren't interested.

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uselessaunt · 18/08/2023 15:18

That's how I feel. Like we're children in high school. You didn't like my pictures so I'm deleting you.

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Merapi · 18/08/2023 15:21

I only ever met my aunt & uncle (my Dad's sister and her DH) twice. One of my cousins I never met at all - he's dead now - and met my other cousin three times. He now lives abroad and we are unlikely to see each other again, although we speak on the phone every three or four years.

Some families are like that, and some are in each other's pockets.

Devilsmommy · 18/08/2023 15:24

Mummy08m · 18/08/2023 15:14

I find kids hard work when they're young to be honest and I have no clue how to interact with them, but I do my best to try

Btw - this is completely normal and nothing to be ashamed of and doesn't make you a bad aunt

Absolutely agree with this, I had 7 nieces and nephews and was at a complete loss when they were smaller. Finally had my LO 11 months ago and I'm still awkward with other peoples kids😁

DuploTrain · 18/08/2023 15:27

It does seem very odd that they’re wanting you to “prove” how much you care all the time.

Rise above it. She’s giving it far too much of her energy and headspace, you don’t have to give yours.

uselessaunt · 18/08/2023 15:27

Thank you @Letterposter you sound like a normal, rational person. I absolutely do want to still him, so I do hope this can be resolved somehow, but I absolutely can't give more time than I do. I think after all these replies I'll be able to stand my ground because I mentioned, usually I'll just people please and placate people who've treated me badly by treating them even nicer to try and win them back. I've ended up like that in so many toxic friendships and it's never ended well. I don't know why I do that to myself to be honest, I have some genuinely amazing family and friends so I don't really need to be putting myself out for the ones that come along and don't give me anything in return.

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Optionyougot · 18/08/2023 15:38

They both sound ridiculous. Please don't pander to it. You are well within your rights to say "Its a shame you feel that way" and move on. This is a "them" problem.

If anything, I'd leave it to your DH to sort with his brother, and to anyone else that askee I'd be honest and say I'm baffled given how one sided the relationship was to begin with.

uselessaunt · 18/08/2023 16:04

Stillcantbebothered · 18/08/2023 15:57

Ha, no, we don't live in Asia and have certainly never been "off our heads on coke"

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Caledoniadreaming · 18/08/2023 16:15

uselessaunt · 18/08/2023 15:16

Goodness @Mummy08m that makes me feel better as we also have a family group chat for DHs side. Lots of baby spam as you'd expect, and it's nice seeing what he's been up to, same as it's nice seeing what anyone in the group has been up to and I always at least acknowledge with a heart. But they stopped sharing pictures of him. It went from twenty a day to none. I did wonder why but I didn't like to ask. It was apparently like some kind of test which we failed. They stopped to see if anyone would ask why and when we didn't ask that added to the reasons why we aren't interested.

I'm sorry, but that "test" is really petty - like you're being taunted to respond (IME, don't - nobody wins). You certainly don't sound like a bad aunt at all!

I'm a bit like you and a people pleaser, but sometimes it's just easier - and less headspace required - to just let go; if she wants to grump and moan to other people then let her.