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My sweet brother has gotten himself in a pickle.

45 replies

BroomCupboard · 01/08/2023 12:47

Name changing for this.

Looking for a bit of advice here.
My younger brother has been having a tough time of it recently in his current relationship of over a decade. There has been issues with his grown up stepkid stealing and also I know that the romantic side of the relationship has died a death. He's not the type to give up and leave and we've had a lot of conversations about this over the last two years. He's not happy but he's not "a quitter" in his words.
I've seen him cry about it. He's a very patient and sweet man and he's always been very steady. Not flighty or impulsive at all.

Two months ago a lovely friend of mine met him at one of my parties. She's drop dead gorgeous and usually has men losing their heads over her, but she's quite careful in her dating choices and hasn't dated anyone in four years since her partner died. The two of them hit it off really well. They both have a similar set of interests and they ended up chatting all evening at the party like they had known each other forever. I thought it was nice to see him animated and smiling again but didn't think more of it at the time because I know what he's like - he's not flirtatious in the slightest (he's very nerdy). They have been at a few events since and they gravitated towards each other but I just thought that was maybe him coming out of his depression and engaging with people generally more and the same for her. Just to add they are both in their fifties so this isn't young folk we are talking about here.

She told me that one night last week he messaged her and basically very awkwardly blurted out to her he wants to be with her, arranged to meet her and then stood her up. All this is very out of character for him.

She likes him and was very hurt by his behaviour. And he's now hiding away feeling guilty about both his wife and her. He apologised to her and said he's feeling terrible for blurting and then standing her up when she's been through so much already. He came over here later that day and mumbled a lot about being an idiot but didn't talk about it. Of course I've now joined the dots. I think he was trying to tell me what he'd done but he's too ashamed of himself.

How to handle it? Do I tell him I know and ask him to chat? Or leave it to them to sort it out? We normally have a close relationship so I feel I could say something to him and just let him talk. I know he's struggling with his own sense of personal responsibility and guilt but I don't think he should be handling it alone without talking because it's obviously doing his head in.

My friend is handling it very well and she was nice to him about it but I now think in hindsight that he's head over heels about her and that's why he's now gotten himself into a pickle. She's alway now for a few months working abroad so she's effectively removed herself from the picture. Do I just tell him I know and then see what he says? I hate the idea of him being upset and struggling - our father was the same and stayed in his second marriage to the detriment of his own mental health and I'm worried my brother is doing the same, in silence.

The other part of my head is thinking WHAT A TWAT HE IS.

OP posts:
funtimes1987 · 01/08/2023 13:25

Fizzadora · 01/08/2023 13:14

Your friend is not so innocent in all of this though is she? She agreed to meet a married man after he told her he wanted to be with her instead of telling him to sort his current relationship out first.

Good point, I never thought of that.

BroomCupboard · 01/08/2023 13:27

Fizzadora · 01/08/2023 13:14

Your friend is not so innocent in all of this though is she? She agreed to meet a married man after he told her he wanted to be with her instead of telling him to sort his current relationship out first.

My understanding is that he had told her his marriage was over but then flip flopped. She's a lovely woman and I don't think she is to blame for this. She's removed herself from the picture now and what a horrible experience for her to have.

He's the one who needs to take the responsibility.

OP posts:
funtimes1987 · 01/08/2023 13:28

Why would he tell your friend the marriage was over if it wasn't over? Please see your brother for who he really is, OP.

BroomCupboard · 01/08/2023 13:36

I now think he was trying to end the relationship by clumsily jumping ship and then lost his nerve.
It's not ok and just been disastrous.

I don't mother him but for some of the reasons other posters have hinted at, he's not always the most emotionally aware. His first partner stole a lot of money from him for instance and he was very naive about it.

Anyway I think I have my answer - it's been bothering me and I've just not known how to approach it but I'm just going to be really firm with him.
Thanks everyone.

OP posts:
funtimes1987 · 01/08/2023 13:43

Decent people don't end a marriage by jumping ship or partying with another woman. Please please wake up to reality. Your brother is not sweet and naive. He made a definite choice to do what he did. Even if his wife is the devil incarnate, he should not have done what he did. You must please stop pandering to him and see him objectively. His poor wife presumably knows sweet eff all about all this!

Yorkshirepuddled · 01/08/2023 13:50

You say you "don't mother" him and yet you feel the need to be "really firm" with him about the ins and outs of cheating.

🤔

Doesn't sound like you're not mothering him to me.

GreyCarpet · 01/08/2023 14:54

TipsyAndTommy · 01/08/2023 12:50

Your 'sweet' brother isn't in a 'pickle' he's trying to cheat on his wife!?Hmm

This. 1000 times!

Anotherparkingthread · 01/08/2023 15:09

I actually think he should leave his wife if he thinks he can be happier with somebody else.
I wouldn't stay in a relationship that was so bad for 2 years I had cried in front of my sibling over it. He's tried to work it out and it hasn't worked. The fact he's fallen for somebody else proof that he is no longer in love with his wife.
His wife may not like it but if that's been that bad for 2 years he's free to leave and do whatever he wants. The thing is he needs to stop being a fuck around, grow some balls, make a decision and stick to it.

Catlover100 · 01/08/2023 15:09

Even if your brother ended his current long-term relationship would you want your friend to jump into a relationship with him straight away?

I imagine seeing the two of them so animated and happy chatting with each other was nice as both are having/have had a hard time but them starting up a relationship together might not be the best thing.

Speaking to your brother about his relationship and supporting him to make it work or leave sounds necessary, particularly if you are close.

As for your friend - if she came to you and described this situation but it wasn't your brother she was talking about what your advice be?

pillsthrillsandbellyache · 01/08/2023 15:18

What a strange title to choose. Stop setting up your married brother with your friends. Not cool. One of them has now been hurt. I bet his poor wife is unaware of half of these problems.

itsmyp4rty · 01/08/2023 15:27

He needs to end the marriage and worry about the rest later - better to be a quitter than a cheater.

funtimes1987 · 01/08/2023 15:30

Sounds like OP doesn't like the wife.

Outdamnspot23 · 01/08/2023 15:45

BroomCupboard · 01/08/2023 13:36

I now think he was trying to end the relationship by clumsily jumping ship and then lost his nerve.
It's not ok and just been disastrous.

I don't mother him but for some of the reasons other posters have hinted at, he's not always the most emotionally aware. His first partner stole a lot of money from him for instance and he was very naive about it.

Anyway I think I have my answer - it's been bothering me and I've just not known how to approach it but I'm just going to be really firm with him.
Thanks everyone.

Good luck, let us know how you get on.

Gerrataere · 01/08/2023 15:53

Yorkshirepuddled · 01/08/2023 13:24

This is exactly why his marriage is in trouble @BroomCupboard he needs an autism diagnosis. I'd bet money on it. I thought it immediately from your description of him.

I can already work out the narrative- he's emotionally unavailable, gets absorbed in his own special interests, his wife is lonely and exasperated, she gets cross with him and angry, he feels sad and hard done by when she argues with him and you feel sorry for him because afterall, he's a sweetheart.

They probably have separate rooms, separate lives and everyone is wondering why his wife isn't more grateful to have such a sweet husband when infact, she's slaving away trying to make a family work with a man who is totally disengaged from it.

Your friend had a lucky escape.
She's an idiot for getting involved with a married man.

Yep. If I wasn’t already single I’d think this was my ex, and his mum writing this post to be honest. I also picked up the ASD traits from the first post, whether it is or not, sweetheart or not, this man has emotionally screwed over two women with his behaviour and it needs to be said out loud.

Yorkshirepuddled · 01/08/2023 15:54

@Gerrataere I can imagine my ex's sister writing it too 😆🙈

Gerrataere · 01/08/2023 16:08

Yorkshirepuddled · 01/08/2023 15:54

@Gerrataere I can imagine my ex's sister writing it too 😆🙈

Thinking the emotional delays and general childlike persona makes them quirky and a bit of a darling. When actually living with them makes you feel like you’re living in an emotional void. People like the ops brother anchor themselves to people they like, whether their current partner or someone else they find attractive, and don’t understand why that other person feels completely overwhelmed and then weighed down.

@BroomCupboard He need to step back from relationships in general and look at counselling at least, if not a diagnosis so he has better understanding of himself and his behaviour. Even lack of behaviour, simply trundling along in life because that’s set routine and he thinks better to be miserable but not unsettled is better than ‘the unknown’ and the probably huge anxiety (ASD) driven fear of not wanting to do things differently.

My ex fought our relationship ending despite it being obviously dead in the water for over a year (probably longer). I gave in a few times because he convinced me things were changing/improving and he was definitely a more available partner, not one simply robotically going along with my direction. Eventually I had to be so firm, saying it wasn’t fair on either of us simply because he hated a big change more than he hated the cesspit of emotional misery we both lived in. I know he occasionally ‘latched on’ to other people, there was one woman he worked with that day and night he jumped to do anything for. Same man who needed to be asked 5 times to wipe a table, yet she asked him to fly to the moon in a tin bath and he’d be strapped in 10 seconds later… I’m 99% sure he didn’t cross the line that time but if he’s been given an inch well, I’m sure 20 miles would have been ran.

GoodNightsSleep · 01/08/2023 16:10

It’s looking like he was heading in the direction of starting an exit affair. This occurs when one partner sees their relationship as over and are looking for a way to move beyond it by starting a new relationship. Unfortunately this typically doesn’t end well and can result in hurt on several sides.

If anything positive can come out of the current situation it may force your brother to take a realistic look at his current relationship and decide how to address this before having any further involvement with your friend. Maybe you can have some sort of discussion with him to help him to take a serious look at his current circumstances.

Northernparent68 · 01/08/2023 16:35

You’re a bit over invested in your brothers life-try to not get so involved in his romantic life

gamerchick · 01/08/2023 17:18

Why havent you told your friend to stay away if you know so much about this? Not much of a friend putting her straight.

Tell your brother to give himself a good hard slap across the face and stop wishing he would dump his wife. It's pretty obvious you dont like her or her kids. Sweet brother in a pickle indeed.Hmm

NutellaNut · 03/08/2023 02:23

Cheat rather than sweet. How to handle it? Tell him he’s cheat, then back off and let him sort his own life out.

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