What is it with men and conspiracy theories 🙄

[Titicacacandle]

Online dating and it seems the only men I seem to be attracted to seem to have so many issues that come up after a few chats!

Latest one, and not uncommon by a long shot, has told me that he doesn't pay his water bill because water is free from the sky and the water companies are poisoning us (but doesn't have a distiller so drinks out of plastic bottles and that can cause cancer if all your drinks are from plastic), doesn't pay council tax, doesn't work because he's awake and it's part of the matrix, 5g is going to fuck us all up and our cows are now being injected by another Bill Gates vaccine. I asked him what he did with his day if he doesn't work and he spends his days researching on what is going wrong in the world in the fight against good and evil.. oh and the huge American pedophile rings and social workers trafficking kids. I am a bloody SW, no we don't want your kids, caseloads are overwhelmed enough as it is thanks.

I just think it's sad that his life has become this. I told him we aren't compatible as we don't believe in the same stuff. I feel bad for him and did like the look of him but these conspiracy theories are mental illness. It's almost like they are the new religion with the fevered zelous that the newly converts preach.. even when you tell them you're not interested in conspiracy theories they still bang them down your throat!

Exactly this. They tend to be people with narcissistic traits who consider themselves above everyone else intellectually and have a general distrust of authority because they don’t like being told what to do, or that it’s possible they could be wrong about anything or have to accept any responsibility for anything (ie climate change).

I haven’t got the energy to invest in conspiracy theories. Life is complicated enough as it is and I’m too busy The latest fruitloopery I came across is American fundamentalist christians’ belief that aliens are actually demons and that it says all this in the bible.😵‍💫

‘People are crazy and times are strange’, as Bob Dylan wrote.

You're an estate agent?

You might be thinking about how fundamentalist Christians said Hurricane Katrina happened because New Orleans is so gay? This is one of their big themes, that acts of God are really proper Old Testament acts of god, punishing people for their sinful behaviour.

I'm not sure that's a conspiracy theory, just religious bonkers shit.

@dreamingbohemian I'm not talking about those conspiracies soaked in anti-Semitism and not sure why you'd jump to that conclusion tbh. I'm talking about the most commonly believed 9/11 'conspiracy' - your government is corrupt and orchestrated the whole thing. As a new Yorker, I'm sure you have already got your eyes wide open to the realities of that day though and I'm not about to debate that with you, out of respect for the victims.

I too know people from many walks of life who are sceptical about many things reported in the mainstream media: architects, teachers, plumbers, lawyers, musicians, SNAs, doctors.

I don't agree with them on every single issue, but in each case, when presented with the various red flags around COVID, they elected to not take a vaccine for which there is no long term safety data. Respect! We can have long discussions about any number of things and learn from each other.

It's interesting how sceptics like us are so easily branded with tags like "loon," "narcissist" "crazy" etc. for simply having minority opinions and/or thinking critically or questioning media bias (the same media that will call someone a "bigot" for stating that "women don't have penises").

Experience has taught me to examine multiple sources and evidence around any claim, and to dismiss nothing out of hand without looking at it objectively - paying particularly close attention to the testimonials of whistleblowers. The dismissive and insulting attitude toward us, in addition to the total lack of intellectual curiousity as regards the factual basis of our various beliefs, speaks volumes doesn't it? 🤔

I’m not closed minded, I just cannot be bothered with it all. 🙄

You said you believe the 9/11 conspiracies
Almost all of them are anti-Semitic or racist at heart, even if they are not always explicit about it. They start with the belief that it's simply impossible for a group of foreign Islamist terrorists to pull off something so enormous. But if you examine the evolution of Al Qaeda and terrorism more broadly from the 1980s to 2001, there is nothing unbelievable about it.

This was not the Reichstag fire. It would have required a huge number of people to orchestrate as a conspiracy, and everyone involved would have known they'd receive the death penalty if it ever got leaked. That is just not plausible. Even if the US was minded to manufacture an incident to justify a war, they would not have staged one on US soil that killed so many citizens, and they would have done something that directly justified attacking Iran or Iraq rather than Afghanistan, which they do not care about.

So believe whatever you want, I just cannot fathom why people choose to believe in this bullshit, I really don't.

@RosannaClaudine I don't know anyone who would insult someone who declined the vaccine because they were concerned about the potential medical effects, especially people with various pre-existing conditions.

When people talk about vaccine conspiracy theorists it is more the people who think the vaccines are really microchips being implanted in us, or Covid isn't real and the vaccine is mind control, etc etc.

I'm very sceptical about what is in the vaccines, and I believe many vaccine injuries are being deliberately covered up. Moreover, because there is no long term safety data for these vaccines, we simply do not know what the long term risks are for them.

As regards "mind control" - how are you defining the term?

Lol I am not defining 'mind control' because it's not a real thing. It's something conspiracy theorists are always raving about.

What do you think is in the vaccines other than vaccines?

The question that covid conspiracy theorists can never answer is why. Why would governments around the world want to do this? Covid tanked the global economy and ruined many countries and industries, besides killing millions of people.

The answer given to this is concentration of power and money. There was a massive wealth transfer during covid, the rich got much much richer while ordinary folk had their businesses shut down and generally fucked over.

I think ‘following the money’ and being curious and realistically suspicious of what people will do for money is a sensible approach.

Mind control is not a "real thing?" I've studied propaganda extensively and I would disagree with that assertion. I respect your right to believe that it doesn't exist, however.

Regarding the composition of the COVID vaccines - your question to me is what is known as circular reasoning or begging the question. I don't know what the composition is - I'm still studying the evidence, and I suspect we may never know the full truth. I hope I'm wrong.

What surprises me most is that intelligent people believe some rubbish preached by some influencer on social platforms, while refusing to listen to rational arguments from real people. So and so said it therefore it's true and anything you or anyone else says is wrong because YOU are getting your information from sources controlled by some vast conspiracy. They on the other hand are getting their information from someone with all the inside knowledge (awake) granted to them by their superior investigative abilities and personal contact with other equally remarkable (awake) people in the know (who actually rattle around in an echo chamber reinforcing each others ridiculous beliefs).

You have a wise grasp of human nature. Never underestimate what the average human being is willing to do for love of £££££££££££££££

Tell my cat birds aren’t real.
she likes bringing me dead ones without a head and I can tell you, there was nothing mechanical about it 😣

People are all kinds of weird and wonderful 😅

I don't want to learn anything from a conspiracy theorists. I don't want to have discussions about things that are so far fetched and untrue but that they believe religiously.

I like discussions with colleagues around social care, trauma, isolation and new training days to learn from.

I like deep discussions with friends round the dinner table around what's genuinely going on in the world. Not with people who think we only know what they (whoever they are) want us to!

I also like light hearted conversations and exchanging information in a way that doesn't ram beliefs down someones throat. A way that doesn't shout wake up, that doesn't think they know more tham the rest of us because they've watched crackpot conspiracy theories on youtube.

I definitely will never date one! My exh did not start his nut job journey till covid 😑

Things like mk ultra were once considered conspiracy theories but have now been revealed to be true. A while back quite a few things were declassified that had once been called conspiracy theories so if that was the case then I reckon there are some conspiracy theories today that will be true.

So do you believe that the US did some dodgy experiments which have now been released or do you believe that MK is still going on in a different form and people are puppets and that they are acting out things like school shootings, Eminem isn't really Eminem, cardi B stared into space and so is also controlled? Do you really believe that people act out school shootings and celebs are mind controlled and put mind controlling music out there to brain wash people?

What came out about MKU is horrific enough, and I suspect it's only the tip of the iceberg. Studying the lives destroyed by Dr Ewen Cameron at McGill with public funding, for example, was enough to change my previously somewhat naïve view of human nature.

The Corbett report is awesome, he did a very good video not long about David Kelly. He provides sources and doesn't entertain the wackier end of the spectrum. Whitney Webb is also another independent journalist with a lot to offer. She concentrates more on the political corruption/Jeffrey Epstein stuff.

People always bleat on about people not being able to keep secrets, whilst discounting anyone not championed by the mainstream media. How exactly are those whistleblowers to gain audience? Other through alternative channels.

I also think it's funny how Dr John Campbell started off on YouTube very straight down the line and a vaccine pom pom waver. Many months and statistics later....haha

He’s a crank.
This is what I meant about conspiracy theorists always detailing these threads. We’re not interested in your delusions; if you really really believed them then you wouldn’t feel the constant need to justify your own beliefs.