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PLEASE HELP! Home falling apart due to in-laws involvement

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2023MNU · 21/07/2023 16:34

** I put this in the 'parenting' board but was kindly reminded I might get more responses here, so I'm gonna try that as well!

This is going to be very long to make sure I don't miss out any details, so sorry in advance!

In many, many ways, my partner is the perfect person for me. I could tell you 1000 things I admire about him! We have been together for almost 7 years and have a daughter together, as well as his son (my stepson) who lives with us almost full-time (23 days a month), which I was very aware of upon entering the relationship back then and have no issues with - apart from the never-ending shit I endure from his legitimately barefaced and manipulative ex-wife.

We live very, VERY close to his parents, I'd say practically neighbours. They are super lovely, and bar clear language barriers preventing a deeper relationship, we have a good relationship. I genuinely love them and look up to them. I could not imagine better in-laws and am so happy my kids get to learn from and bond with them. They are always happy to help with anything and everything! But their involvement in our lives is too much for me, and I feel very unhappy.

I was always raised to be very independent and have longed for my own family unit as long as I can remember. However, as my in-laws practically raised my stepson when his biological mother chose to no longer prioritise him, and my husband had to work late hours, they stepped in. I deeply commend this and appreciate their special (almost parental) bond with my stepson. However, I have now lived with my partner for years, and I feel they try to hold on to it which interferes with our daily family routines. I would like to just express how I completely understand that it's sentimental for them upon delving into more specifics, so you don't think I'm cold or neglectful of the impact they've had in his life.

However, they keep ALL his clothes at their place, including underwear, which means I have to literally go to their house or call them every time I need clothes for him, which is of course every day may I add. They insist(!) on washing all his clothes, which is of course incredibly kind, but he sees me as his mother and yet I have to ask his grandparents for everything needed for him, which I just find incredibly weird. Also, it's just a hassle for me. I tried to look past this for the better of their relationship and to not hurt anyone's feelings. But they also want to bring food for him every day (and for me as well, even though I've expressed I don't need it), including fruits and vitamins. Even on days they've accepted me providing food for him, they'll still come with fruits etc., even if they can literally see I've already given him fruits. And then they might stay for a chat. They will knock on the door about 6 times a day to help with things - never to be intrusive, only to help with things (like drop off some water or snacks they very kindly decided to get for me) but it SO feels like it nonetheless! Literally, they are in and out of the house at least 3 times a day, sometimes MIL is comfortable walking into our bedroom to get something - I don't know if this is just a personal thing, but that's just a big no no/invasion of privacy for me! They are always in our garden (they have grown herbs there and take care of it daily + need it for their cooking, which preserves our garden nicely, but also means they're always there). They're part of EVERYTHING, even a simple pool-day in the garden, where they will without fail always face-time or invite other family members to join, unless it's out and about in town. And of course, I don't want to be the bitch saying "no, uninvite your family members!" They will look inside our windows as well from time to time to check on the kids. Basically, they're always there. And despite how lovely they are, I know I can't live a life like this.

I understand they will always hold a maternal/paternal role to him, but I feel it's time to "let go", as I feel it's interfering with the way I envisioned I was going to lead a family life. I so crave the feeling of just being a family unit - parents and kids - without the grandparents. Don't get me wrong, I think it's GREAT they've got a strong bond, but this is just too much for me. I don't WANT all the help, and ultimately don't need it. I very much take pride in independence and feel I'm living like a child, depending on them for everything.

I've told them a million times to please not worry and that I'm happy to take care of everything, but they never listen. Either they 1) think I'm just saying it to be nice, 2) perhaps to insist on helping out as he's not my biological child, 3) as they're holding onto the past. All understandable and from a good place. But I can't live like this. So for a long time, I've started "dumping" him on them as I just find it easier than having them in and out all day as I just get in a bad mood which, sadly, reflects on my parenting (which if of course my own shortcoming, I just can't help it).

I'm sure many of you are wondering what my partner is saying. Basically, due to cultural differences and having grown up around more communal family values (which there's NOTHING wrong with, just not something I want for myself), he's on their side. And I'm happy to compromise on some things, but it doesn't seem like that can happen without causing havoc. I've talked to him many times and he says not to worry, they're only doing it to help my life be easier, and that it's good for them to have something to do (for example, clean his clothes and choose outfits, outfits I oftentimes hate btw but that's besides the point). I'm always met with the reminder of THEIR INTENTIONS, which in my opinion is just dismissive of my feelings because I never dispute their lovely intentions, but I just don't want that kind of family dynamic. In heated arguments, he's stated it's good we have them because I'm not "the kind of mother who just gets things done", which is so deeply hurtful because I know I am, I've just decided to let them help with stepson a lot because I AM a mother who wishes to get things done myself and can't stand the in-and-out of house policy, i.e. why I now ask for their help constantly. And that's probably my own fault, making it seem like I'm over-reliant on them, when really, I wish the opposite. Also, I find it offensive as I literally have taken on a full child as my own and have dealt with so much shit because of the biological mum. Not that he doesn't appreciate my help, but in me taking on that role, and stepson loving me so much, I feel I should be able to "act as" his mum and not have to rely on grandparents for that. No?

I entered into this relationship wanting a family unit, which I made clear knowing how closeby his parents live, i.e. a life very much integrated with his parents', however, with clear home boundaries. He, however, also insists he made it clear how integrated he wanted our lives to be with his parents, which I simply refuse to believe because I would never have wanted to live like this. I never expected them to be around so much. Maybe we misunderstood each other entirely back then. Maybe I was naive. So we've simply managed to literally not understand each other's family wishes, and now we're here, unhappy with kids, which just breaks me for the kids' sake. I miss privacy and I'm unhappy. But I also don't want to imagine the heartache a split would cause the kids, making me feel like I should just stay grateful for their help, have happy kids, and keep my mouth shut.

I'd literally rather all of you say I'm an ungrateful cow and reflect on that, than keep this all to myself. I need some kind of advice or personal opinions from people I don't know, to ensure I get unbiased viewpoints.

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2023MNU · 21/07/2023 20:39

@GrumpyPanda i do have to address this - he’s a fantastic father and wants to be involved in everything. He misses them all the time (if he doesn’t get home from work in time to kiss them goodnight) and will do anything for them, which he shows through action consistently. He really is a goofy and immensely loving father, and will help with anything I ask him for help with... making it so much harder that he just doesn’t see my point on this.

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Gateappreciation · 21/07/2023 20:46

Keeping hold of his clothes us mega weird (and I don’t fully u detest and it). To me, the obvious thing would be to go and buy a new set of clothes and keep them at your house. Maybe it’s time to stop being nice. If they go to take them, then intervene and say they are staying at yours. It may cause tears and upset but say that’s how it’s going to be from now on.
.start putting in boundaries!

Gateappreciation · 21/07/2023 20:47

Fully understand

aloris · 21/07/2023 20:55

I understand when you say he loves you, loves them, he's great, etc. But allowing them to stomp all over your boundaries, and to make you miserable, is not loving towards you. How does it feel that you tell him something makes you unhappy, he doesn't only ignore it, he tells you that it's ok they are doing it, that you are wrong to dislike it, etcetera? It's dehumanizing: you're being told you're wrong about your own feelings and reactions to the way you are treated. Think about that for a minute.

He is also telling you that you agreed to this. I would say, unless he can show you in writing where you said it's ok for your MIL to walk into your bedroom, come to your house 6 times per day, take over your backyard, look in your windows, and force you to phone her if you need underwear to dress a child in your care, then, no, you did not agree to it. He's gaslighting you.

I'm sure he's well-intentioned but this isn't working. It's slowly chipping away at your sense of self. Why would a man who loves you, want that for you?

2023MNU · 21/07/2023 21:44

@Gateappreciation @aloris Thank you both for your very valuable input. Trust me, I’m very much taking it in and conceptualising it.

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ArcticSkewer · 21/07/2023 22:09

It's evident that your partner is a fantastic and loving father, deeply committed to the children, but his close bond with his parents and their constant involvement in your family life is making it challenging for you to maintain the independence and privacy you desire. Despite expressing your concerns, he doesn't fully grasp your perspective, adding to the difficulty of finding a resolution. Consider seeking professional guidance through couples' counseling or family therapy to facilitate understanding and find a compromise that respects both your wishes, fostering a healthier family dynamic for everyone involved.

DepartureLounge · 22/07/2023 11:41

It all sounds intolerable and I don't know why you're bending over backwards to be so nice about them when they're clearly deranged control freaks.

Has it never occurred to you that this is probably why his first marriage failed and why your stepson's mother is so unusually uninvolved with her son's upbringing?

You describe her as "legitimately barefaced and manipulative". What do you mean by that? (I sense there may be a language barrier issue but it's not clear what you're actually saying about her.)

I would love to hear her story. Have you? Or have you just heard your husband's and ILs' version of it? I bet you have more in common with her than you imagine.

AgentJohnson · 22/07/2023 13:05

Oh dear, it sounds like you’ve belatedly woken from your slumber. You do realise you ‘going with the flow’ essentially was you agreeing to a dynamic that you didn’t like. I don’t know where you go from here but there is going to be some considerable push back if you want to change the status quo.

Good luck but I don’t see a happy ending.

2023MNU · 22/07/2023 13:16

To keep everyone in the loop...

Update 1 I've given on my other thread:
Their marriage ended before the arrival of their son - she was unaware she was pregnant and they made “the best” out of a horrible situation. Also, they had the same familial values and she expected this kind of input - she lived with her in-laws out of own volition in a new relationship, just to point out that that likely wasn’t the problem. Also, the dynamic started after the in-laws had taken care of stepson as an extra set of parents (I.e. after mom had voluntarily stepped away). Teachers are worried about stepson due to mum and he always expresses how much he hates spending time with her. I understand how it seems but I guess you’re just gonna have to take my word for it

In regards to the clothes thing: I agree, it’s bizarre. They DO bring his uniform in the evening before school, so that’s ready. I think it’s their sad attempt to hold onto the life they had with him, more so than trying to purposely stay controlling, causing a very invasive lifestyle. Please try to imagine a set of very mild 70-year olds who simply can’t see the impact of their actions due to that kind of lifestyle being normal for them (as someone else pointed out here regarding Asian family values). But yes, I am worried how this is all gonna be affected long-term and as someone said: intentions do not negate impact!

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2023MNU · 22/07/2023 13:17

Update 2 I've given on my other thread:

UPDATES (need all of you mommas' feedback!):

I read this post out loud to my partner, to which he said that if I wanted valid responses, I should have pointed out some very important details:

  • They can access the garden from outside and do not have to go through our house in order to be in it
  • They do not, and have never, let themselves in the house - they knock on the door regularly daily where I'll open for them (how can I ignore them so often though... also, most of the time, SS will open the door)
  • I should've addressed just how close by they live - not multiple houses down, which he believes makes it sounds wilder. It's more of an upstairs/downstairs situation as it's maisonette houses built quite uniquely, so they are only a few steps away (not exaggerating)

He said the way I worded it (without the above details) makes his parents sound crazy, coming in and out of the house as and when wanted, which would've of course promoted everyone's reactions.

AIBU for disagreeing with him and believing that the above details do not change anything? (Open to being completely in the wrong here, just need your input as I'm going insane)

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DepartureLounge · 22/07/2023 16:55

I guess this is why duplicate threads don't really work but I'll give it a go...

Update 1 I've given on my other thread:
Their marriage ended before the arrival of their son - she was unaware she was pregnant and they made “the best” out of a horrible situation. Also, they had the same familial values and she expected this kind of input - she lived with her in-laws out of own volition in a new relationship, just to point out that that likely wasn’t the problem. Also, the dynamic started after the in-laws had taken care of stepson as an extra set of parents (I.e. after mom had voluntarily stepped away). Teachers are worried about stepson due to mum and he always expresses how much he hates spending time with her. I understand how it seems but I guess you’re just gonna have to take my word for it

I'll say it again: I would love to hear her story. Have you? Or have you just heard your husband's and ILs' version of it? I bet you have more in common with her than you imagine.

Your glowing characterisation of your ILs diverges so wildly from their actual behaviour that your judgement has clearly been skewed by how you're being treated and what you're being told. So I don't think I do 'take your word for it' about the ex-wife tbh, and I'm guessing your assessment of her is based on you having taken theirs. Were you around at the time? Do you know for a fact that anything they're saying about her is true? I don't count what your stepson is saying, as I'm sure it's been made very clear to him over the years what he ought to think and say about his mother. Be aware that one day your DD may be saying the same things about you if you don't take the blinkers off about these people.

I think it would be extremely eye-opening for you to open up the lines of communication with your husband's first wife and hear the history here from the horse's mouth, as it were. You seem to have been told that she's a liar and manipulative but maybe she just has some inconvenient truths to share.

2023MNU · 22/07/2023 17:02

@DepartureLounge I am trusting evidence and hearing it from her own mouth. Oh, and of course the courts' decision to place stepson with my partner almost full-time, which should say enough. I'm just not willing to divulge anything a bout this situation as I feel it's unrelated. My in-laws only encourage a relationship with mother (I have seen this firt-hand), but there's nothing you can do when mother does not wish to do more to see him. It's a very sad situation for him. But that has nothing to do with my in-laws and I know that for a fact

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2023MNU · 22/07/2023 17:06

But I appreciate the input and would've looked more into it if the above wasn't the case, and if I'd perhaps been more gullible about the situation!

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DepartureLounge · 22/07/2023 17:36

2023MNU · 22/07/2023 17:02

@DepartureLounge I am trusting evidence and hearing it from her own mouth. Oh, and of course the courts' decision to place stepson with my partner almost full-time, which should say enough. I'm just not willing to divulge anything a bout this situation as I feel it's unrelated. My in-laws only encourage a relationship with mother (I have seen this firt-hand), but there's nothing you can do when mother does not wish to do more to see him. It's a very sad situation for him. But that has nothing to do with my in-laws and I know that for a fact

This sounds so messed up. The court placed your stepson with your partner (or is it husband?) nearly full-time even though it wasn't actually him who was looking after his own son, but in fact his parents?

Tbh, I think it's impossible to comment any further, since the dysfunctional relationships surrounding your stepson that are undermining your role in the family clearly have a lot more complexity to them than you're prepared to discuss. That's your business of course, but it means there's a whole layer of history to the situation that no one here is going to be able to understand.

Suffice to say, your PILs behaviour isn't normal and is probably damaging your stepson as well as undermining whatever chance your marriage has to thrive. It doesn't sound like either they or your DH/DP are likely to accept that though, so as things stand your options are probably to suck it up or leave with your DD.

Good luck, whichever you choose.

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