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Is he right? Am I unreasonable?

33 replies

Ifonlyicouldseethelight · 10/07/2023 23:30

Living with an abusive narcissist is finally taking its toll. I'm at the stage I think I need medication to cope with daily life. Every single interaction is stressful and presumably intended to destroy and belittle me.
Just today for instance, some incidents...

  • 4 year old son was scratching his bum over his pants. Important to note- this is not a regular thing. Son had complained of a sore/itchy bum earlier in the day and had had 3 poos that day (is on laxido). Partner sees this, grabs son saying he's disgusting and naughty. Son start crying, partner drags him (didn't hurt him but took him by the arm) to downstairs toilet repeatedly saying he's naughty and dirty, needs to wash his hands. I knew that getting involved wouldn't end well but it upset me. I went into he bathroom and just said please don't keep calling him naughty, he's only 4. His bum is sore and itchy. Obviously he needs to wash his hands but he's not naughty. Partner was forcing child's hands under sink then shouting at me repeatedly saying that he is naughty, it's dirty, naughty. He then shouts at me and says "he just sctrached his bum in front of a surgeon". I said our son does not understand titles and that he is out sons granddad, he doesn't understand about him being a surgeon. Partner just repeats that he's a surgeon.
When I spoke with partner's dad, he had nomissues with child touching his bum. It was completely my partner's issue.

I was struggling carrying a load of stuff earlier when taking son to bed and kept dropping things...partner didn't help. I said something along the lines of "I'm trying to carry too much as usual" and he told me to stop moaning about everything I do, if he had to listen to me loan about everything I do, it'd be a miserable life...he constantly moans, he literally opens his eyes and gives me a running commentary of his sleep..."I got 5 hours sleep, I woke at 3am with pain, then again at 6am, etc etc" every single day. Never good morning or how are you.
Anyway, I said to him you're welcome to help me and he said you only work 3 days a week (his choice but throws it at me if I aks for help). He said I spent 4 years studying (35 years ago) so I can have an easy life bad don't have to do things. I earn more than you.

Also, bought Some lights for the garden that you stick in the ground. I was so excited about my new lights. He told me he had switched them off because they are light pollution and he wouldn't go in the garden if they are on (he doesn't go in the garden in the evening).
I have a few new lights (I'll attach a pic so you can honestly tell me if they're an issue). Just now he was fumbing around asking how to switch them off. I thought he was joking. He said no, he wants them off. I said not to worry today, it's pouring with rain and surely they can't be cahsing him an issue. He said they are ridiculous, too bright and he doesn't want to sit in the garden as everyone will be able to see him. They are literally 4 dim lights.
So now all my garden lights have to go off. I feel every single bit of joy has to be taken.
These are just today's examples, everyday I have more.

Am I being unreasonable? Was my chd really disgusting and I'm not appreciatinv it? Are my lights really that bad and causinight pollution? He is so authoritative/shouts/belittling that I'm questioning myself.

Is he right? Am I unreasonable?
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perfectcolourfound · 11/07/2023 07:46

You don't have to be with this vile, cruel, abusive man. You can leave him.

Your poor son has no choice. He relies on you both to keep him safe and happy. Unfortunately for him, his father won't do either of those things.

For your sake, and mostly for your son's sake, leave the vile, abusive man.

You shouldn't ever stay with someone who makes you miserable, someone who makes you question your own mind, someone who makes you uncertain if it's OK to be cruel towards a small child.

Relationshops are meant to make life better. That's the point of them. He's making you unhappy. He's abusive. He will have a lasting impact on your child, that could affect him for his whole life.

Please don't delay.

Justtryingtobehelpful · 11/07/2023 08:41

It's a stick to beat you with and it doesn't matter what you see what you do it'll always be wrong I've had a number of these situations and I refer to the nonsense but this year as "here's a bullshit excuse I just pulled from my arse"! As soon as you have addressed b excuse number one then they will pull another one from their a**, and on and on it goes.

There is no end to the BS because that's not the point. The point is to keep you jumping and wondering what to do. Read Bancroft Lundy's Why Does He Do That? He explains the exceptionally well in his book

cracktheshutters · 11/07/2023 13:11

TheCheeseTray · 11/07/2023 06:39

why don’t you make an appointment with a solicitor today

why don’t you get some abuse counselling without him present - don’t tell him and he doesn’t come. Never do counselling with an abuser

think of a beautiful little house with lights in the garden, calm and peaceful and yourself very happy and your son happy and thriving at school and coming home to a loving environment. Think of him learning to enjoy helping eg you drop something or you saying can you carry this and this face beaming with joy and big hugs

my father is a high up politician type - think MP my entire childhood was shouting and as you describe. My mother accepted him and it as ‘norm’ and even started doing the same - although I have 3 degrees I am and will never be successful - ever. It’s taken 2 long years of counselling to leave my childhood behind - the scars are there. My whole garden has fairy lights and it’s magical - they are completely enclosed by the fence yet all 4 neighbours whose gardens backed on to me asked where and how I got them - I was mortified and said oh my goodness apologies they are on a timer I’m so sorry they are really for the dogs to go for a wee - oh no they said we want the same for our garden.

Please don’t doubt yourself - ever. He has worn you down and you must leave - you can do it.

I haven’t had counselling, but plan to start soon - took a break upon finding out I was pregnant. I can’t wait to leave all the horrible memories in the past, you’re so brave.

OP, try and keep your DS away from this man. My dad is a narcissist and I can 100% tell you my life would have been better off without EOW contact with him that the court imposed. I wouldn’t be so f*cked in the head and I believe I’d have made better choices and taken less risks that put me in terrible situations.

SallyWD · 11/07/2023 13:17

Your poor little boy! The lights look lovely. You should leave him.

Loubelou14 · 11/07/2023 13:39

Omg you poor thing. Please don't waste another minute of your life being bullied like this. I'd come and get you myself if I knew where you lived. Awful man.

MistyFrequencies · 11/07/2023 13:55

Leave. Hes an abusive arsehole.

Bookworm20 · 11/07/2023 15:42

That was so saddening to read. And I echo everyone else.

Just ask yourself
How would you feel if you were sat in your garden, with as many lights as you want, not worrying about upetting him at the drop of a hat by having that simple moment of pleasure?

How would you feel to have your sweet little boy playing in that garden without the fear in the back of his head hes doing something wrong or going to upset daddy?

How it feel to walk into a peaceful house at the end of the day, thats calm and welcoming and peaceful?

How would it feel to open your eyes in the morning and not be immediately greeted by a tirade of how bad he slept or how tired he is or how you are looking at him wrong?

Now imagine doing that with someone who loves you. You would sit happily in the garden with you, smiling at the lights (even if they hated them) but smiling at YOU because he knows YOU love them and loves to see you happy?

Who calmly interacts with your child, teaching him instead of shouting at him and making him cry the second he does something that he doesn't even realise is wrong (and scratching his bum is not wrong btw)

Who wakes up and the first thing they do is smile at you, say good morning and kiss your forehead.

It will be hard to leave, a narcissist is not easy to detach yourself from. But look what you would gain. If you stay with this abusive man, you'll eventually lose all sense of yourself. And your son will grow up anxious and worried however much love you pour into him, he will still be affected by things like what happened today.

Is this man worth losing your entire identity, joy and peace for?
is this man worth the slowly destroying of joy and innocence within your beautiful little boy?

Mischance · 11/07/2023 15:51

Why are you there?

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