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Accepting financial help from narcissist mother?

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Sarah493403940 · 05/07/2023 09:26

I have a very bad relationship with my mother...although I'm not sure if she's aware of this as I haven't really been able to voice my opinions. Our relationship was always strained however I used to think it was my fault / I was a 'horrible teenager' as I was told by her. When I had my own children (now 2 and 4) I realised actually she was a terrible mother as I wouldn't dream of treating my own children like she did. A few examples to give you an idea include:
-Having sex while I was sleeping in the same bed (aged 8). Getting angry with me when I stormed out the room and again when I confronted her the next day
-Daily emotional manipulation...she would give me silent treatment sometimes for the whole day and night even if I apologised (I can remember this as young as 6)
-Really nasty verbally if I had misbehaved as a child, calling me spoiled, selfish, bitch, telling me everyone thought I was horrible etc or guilt tripping by saying I was making her feel depressed etc
-Not letting me have relationships with people once she fell out with them (my step father who I thought was my real dad till aged 7, my uncle/her brother suddenly couldn't see them and was told I was ungrateful if I asked why/wasnt she good enough)

Looks bad when I write about it now...but because of the effect on my self esteem I always thought it was my fault and developed quite a co-dependent relationship / feeling like I always needed her to make a decision. I came to work for her company after uni as a temporary thing and never left. Because of the nature of the job I fortunately never work 'with' her / in same room but there's still obviously the element of control because she's the boss. Previous personal arguments have resulted in threats to sack me etc.

If I didn't have my two children I would leave the job...and I've wrestled with it a lot. But I feel I would be leaving the job to prove a point and then my family would be worse off financially. The job is very well paid and also offers me a lot of flexibility to look after the kids...(I can work comfortably on 4 days a week and work at the hours I choose). However....because of this arrangement I can't end contact with my mother like I would like or tell her how I really feel about her parenting which means I have to put on an act pretty much every day and try my best to be nice to her which doesn't always work. I'm very passive aggressive towards her and not very nice to her really / even when she's done nothing wrong because of all this anger.

Now she has said that she wants to pay private school fees for my son and daughter. My first reaction is 'no fucking way' as then it's another layer of control and a tool to manipulate. However then I think...but then I'd be depriving them of that opportunity based on my personal feelings / she would probably also tell them I said no and they missed out when they're older. Also (more bitterly) I think - let her pay for things if she wants, I'll just consider it tax for a shit childhood experience.

Sorry very long rant....what I want to do is never speak to her again and don't really want her anywhere near my children to be honest. Although she has mellowed considerably and never treated them like that / she's very nice to them....I still physically can't stand to be around her and feel totally trapped financially / unable to get much distance from her. I honestly wouldn't care / would be relieved if she died, that's how bad the relationship has gotten and the only way I see out.

Any advice or similar situations would be great to hear.

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SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 05/07/2023 09:28

I wouldn't personally. The price, ultimately is too high. I have a DM who occasionally has paid for things, off her own bat, and you never hear the end of it.

Lolapusht · 05/07/2023 10:17

Don’t accept the money and find a new job. Millions of children don’t go to private school and still have a great education.

Your language shows you want to be NC with your mum and you can do that.

If you are an employee (of a good few years I assume) she can’t just fire you.

You sound really clued up on your relationship with your DM. If you haven’t had therapy, maybe think about it to help you find your boundaries and implement them.

Good luck!

WaitingForNothingGood · 05/07/2023 10:30

Its tricky. On paper you should quit and never see her again but in reality I can see how that would be difficult.

I think private school fees would be a tricky as it's such a long term commitment.

What do you expect to happen in the future? What about when she gets old? I don't think this type of situation is that unusual. It almost contractual.

How would you feel if you never had to see her again? Wouldn't you feel relaxed and happy?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/07/2023 10:50

Do not take the money she is offering to pay for private school; gifts should come with ribbons, not strings and there are strings a plenty attached to that. She is basically further using your children, via the means of a higher or more disposable income, to get back at you.

If she is abusive and or otherwise too toxic/difficult for YOU, its the SAME deal for your children also. They need to stay well clear of her too.

Would urge you to find alternative employment going forward too, you need to spread your wings rather than remain under the auspices of your mother who regards you as an extension of her. It is also not possible to have a relationship with a narcissist.

Sarah493403940 · 05/07/2023 10:53

@WaitingForNothingGood I would be delighted to never see her again. However I worry I would be depriving my kids of a grandmother (and so far, she's a much better grandmother than mother thank god)...although I do wonder if that will change once they are older / less adoring / have their own opinions - in which case I wouldn't hesitate to cut her off. But there goes my worry if I accept the financial help and then have to cut her off later they suddenly have to move schools etc.

I did initially try to refuse the money but then got a guilt trip as it's money she received after my grandmothers death that she wants to pay for it with.

I honestly feel the only way out is waiting for her to die...but that could be a long process / she may require care which I'm not willing to provide and I have no siblings.

@Lolapusht I'm currently in therapy which has caused my anger and resentment to sky rocket. A lot of childhood memories have re-surfaced so finding it impossible to pretend to be nice to her but no idea on how to do NC without negatively impacting my own family as she won't go down without a fight. I'm trying to think of ways I can be as low contact as possible (hard as she lives 5 mins away) and how I can refuse the money without her then using that as manipulation.

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Sunnydaysaredefhere · 05/07/2023 10:59

I have a very similar dm. Been nc for 20 years. She doesn't see my dc. Some are adults and don't wish to see her.. I accept Christmas money for the dc. But that's it. School fees? Nope. That's having to be grateful 365 days a year....

Sarah493403940 · 05/07/2023 11:26

@Sunnydaysaredefhere I'm sorry to hear that you have a similar DM. Do you mind if I ask how you initiated NC / was this before having children or after? I don't know about you but I really found that having my own children was the trigger for realising how awful she had been. I think she senses my feelings and is offering financial support to make herself feel needed/indispensable to the kids lives.

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OrderOfTheKookaburra · 05/07/2023 12:24

If the money is an inheritance and she has it as a lump sum, then she can set up an education trust for your DC. If she's not willing to do that then she probably wants to dangle the fees in front of you every term and have you effectively beg, because once they're at the school she knows how difficult it will be for you to move them out.

rookiemere · 05/07/2023 12:29

Go with your gut and don't accept it.
School fees go up more than inflation and need paying for the entire duration of your DCs education.
If you wanted to hedge your bets you could say that you might consider it for secondary education.

Dreamlight · 05/07/2023 12:35

I would want the money setting aside in some sort of specific trust for education. I would be worried that she will wait till the kids are settled or sitting exams and then threaten to pull funding.

I think if she's not prepared to do that, then it would be a hard no for me.

SpringGreensPreens · 05/07/2023 17:57

No way, you’ll never be free of her. Unless as others have said she gifts the entire amount upfront. As for the job - have you really looked properly for alternatives? Other jobs can be well paid and flexible.

TheInterceptor · 05/07/2023 18:25

OrderOfTheKookaburra · 05/07/2023 12:24

If the money is an inheritance and she has it as a lump sum, then she can set up an education trust for your DC. If she's not willing to do that then she probably wants to dangle the fees in front of you every term and have you effectively beg, because once they're at the school she knows how difficult it will be for you to move them out.

Definitely this.

Zanatdy · 05/07/2023 18:47

I wouldn’t take the private school fee offer. Just because you’re tied into even more control for a long time. Unless your schools are particularly awful, then just go for a good state school and start looking for a new job so that your reliance upon her is zero.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 05/07/2023 20:49

No

as a pp said millions of kids are well educated out of the private system

pay off mortgage , hell maybe

control your kids education ? Hell no 👎

id really think hard it’s a very controlling way to financially help you

Thisisworsethananticpated · 05/07/2023 20:50

I would want the money setting aside in some sort of specific trust for education. I would be worried that she will wait till the kids are settled or sitting exams and then threaten to pull funding

yeah
good idea and I bet she wouldn’t

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