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Autistic brother actively avoids me- family life impossible

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Beachbaby1234 · 04/07/2023 23:43

I have an adult (40 year old) brother who has been diagnosed with “high functioning “ autism. I don’t in any way mean to minimise his needs, just to describe things as I have experienced them. He is a highly intelligent, capable and funny person with lots of specialist interests. He attended a mainstream school and although he struggled socially as a teenager, he achieved incredibly highly and was a well-liked member of the community. He once played a large part in a school drama performance, took part in sports and had dreams of becoming a radio broadcaster. He had many attributes and motivations and my dad ensured he actively contributed to household chores and family relationships. However we have never had a good relationship and since my dad passed away suddenly it’s seriously deteriorated.

My brother has never left home. When he finished school at 18, he’s had one job which my dad secured for him through a support programme. But one day he refused to go and began to get into a really dysfunctional patterns that have lasted decades. He generally gets up in the evening, expects his dinner to be made and gets upset with my mother if it isn’t. He spend his days watching tv, buying items on internet for his specialist interests and then returning to bed. He doesn’t contribute to family life, do any housework, come out of his room when family visit and has never bought me a birthday card or even called me to say congratulations when I had my children.

He lives at home with my mum who is in her late 60s and for the last 15 years my mother has done absolutely everything for him. She cooks, cleans, washes his clothes, signs on to his benefits for him, organises doctor’s appointments and generally parents him as if he is still much younger. Throughout my childhood if there was something he didn’t want to do, he would retreat to his room threatening to hurt himself (which he never actually did). This pattern of behaviour ruined countless family events and meant that for a large part of my adult life, I never got to have a relationship with my parents as they were always having to deal with my brother. They wouldn’t leave him overnight to visit me, or even be on the phone to me for long periods of time because he would get upset and demand they got off. It was incredibly painful and I spent a long time struggling with my own self worth as an adult, I believe as a result of growing up in this environment. I didn’t feel my parents managed the situation well and often pandered to my brother’s needs by doing things that he was capable of doing for himself. I felt that this was often to the exclusion of mine and my other brother’s needs (my younger brother also has severe mental health issues and has been institutionalised most of his adult life). I have since had some excellent therapy and drawn a line under this for the sake of my relationship with my mum.

Over the last year I moved closer to my mum as her health isn’t great and I wanted to help. She also wanted to spend more time with my children. I had several conversations with her voicing my worries about the future and how things will be managed for my brother when she isn’t able to continue. I’m concerned that he has zero income, independence or motivation for things to change. I also spoke to my brother about taking a bit more responsibility for helping my mum with the housework as she is now struggling doing all of this on her own. He initially agreed he wanted to help out more but since this he has completely retreated. He now stays in his bedroom until midnight every day, doesn’t leave the house, refuses to come out of his room if me, my partner or our kids visit and will actively leave every room I enter. He even ignores my young children when they speak to him which I find incredibly painful. I have spoken to my mother about how much this behaviour upsets me but she told me ‘what did you expect, when you talk to him about the future? You make him anxious’ and she blames me for ‘expecting too much from him’ and ‘not understanding his autism.’ She justifies his behaviour as self protective. Basically, he needs to protect himself from me. And she denies that he is acting in any way badly towards me.

I feel completely at a loss on how to resolve this situation. I feel like I am being made to feel responsible for my brother’s behaviour even though this has been going on for years. I am hurt but also so frustrated with my mother. I feel really angry as I suspect that my mother assumes I am going to step into her shoes and provide him with care after she’s not here anymore (I am not). I feel like I am at a point where I might lose my relationship with my mother over this as I feel that the house is an uncomfortable one to be in now. AIBU to feel upset about how my brother is acting towards me? Thank you if you managed to get this far.

OP posts:
SarahSeventy · 26/07/2023 08:43

@Beentheredonethet Thank you for your message. I have pointed out that it would be nice for him to pay for something, but he just looks at me and doesn't say a word - it's his get-out clause...

Panama2 · 26/07/2023 09:43

My brother now 73 withdrew in his late teens. He became nocturnal and never leaving the house. Our mother enabled that they we a little unit. I ended up living some way away from them and kept contact by letters and cards with Mum. She had her own problems I believe after losing a baby at three months of age, I can honestly say I never had a proper conversation with her.

Mum was his cared until she had a stroke and they left him to,care for her. I tried to get them a move closer to me but neither would have it. I tried to get social workers to help. Mum died and only then did my brother interact with me via a mobile phone I sent him. His has a lovely neighbour who helps as well. She has since told me that when a letter arrived from me she knew he would be shouting at Mum.

I thought when Mum died it might make him alter how he was but it made no difference. Perhaps I shouldn’t help by getting shopping delivered or making sure bills are paid but what would be the alternative?

Pearlsaminga · 26/07/2023 12:19

SarahSeventy · 26/07/2023 08:43

@Beentheredonethet Thank you for your message. I have pointed out that it would be nice for him to pay for something, but he just looks at me and doesn't say a word - it's his get-out clause...

I think you should be careful with him, he sees you as a result to exploit and he thinks he can take whatever he wants from you.

WickedSerious · 26/07/2023 12:39

summerpuppy · 05/07/2023 08:09

My daughter is in a similar situation,give it 10 years and she will be writing something like this .
im mum ,and I’m completely stuck
he has a social worker,but as he’s happy at home she won’t help him move out .
he won’t let me put him on the council waiting list
he doesn’t meet the criteria for assisted living ,lord only knows what the criteria is if he doesn’t meet it ..
im lost
I don’t even like him
I’m living with an angry ,aggressive man ,who doesn’t wash or leave the house or do a single thing for himself,selfish doesn’t even come close .
dad is a waste of space when it comes to anything other than earning money .
well ,op at least you know your not alone ,but I’ve no advice,sorry

It's rubbish isn't it?

I'd like a tenner for every time I've heard 'doesn't meet the criteria',whether it's assisted living or help finding work.

No advice from me either,god knows what any of us are going to do.

HeadacheEarthquake · 26/07/2023 12:48

I have this with BIL. MIL won't be around forever but she does everything for him in their rented 3bed house, 6 hours away from us. FIL doesn't get involved, he lives near us with new StepMIL.

I dread it, because I won't cope with us taking him in, would destroy our marriage. He thinks he can stay there/afford it alone or invite a stranger to live with him there, which scares me.

They also have 2 cats. Nobody else lives near, everyone else 6 hrs away too. :/

Pearlsaminga · 26/07/2023 13:00

MIL won't be around forever but she does everything for him in their rented 3bed house
Probably what's going on is she enjoys being needed and having him completely dependent on her, she wants to keep him child life because it makes her feel powerful and needed. But in indulging herself like this she has ruined him, he will either implode or become an intolerable burden on other people ☹️

MrsSchrute · 26/07/2023 13:02

Pearlsaminga · 26/07/2023 13:00

MIL won't be around forever but she does everything for him in their rented 3bed house
Probably what's going on is she enjoys being needed and having him completely dependent on her, she wants to keep him child life because it makes her feel powerful and needed. But in indulging herself like this she has ruined him, he will either implode or become an intolerable burden on other people ☹️

Or because she loves him, is aware that he can't look after himself, and is so terrified about what his life will be like when he is gone that she deals with that fear by burying her head in the sand???

oneanddonee · 26/07/2023 13:05

YANU.

Ever heard of the term, 'glass child'

Love and hugs to you.

Beentheredonethet · 26/07/2023 13:06

MrsSchrute · 26/07/2023 13:02

Or because she loves him, is aware that he can't look after himself, and is so terrified about what his life will be like when he is gone that she deals with that fear by burying her head in the sand???

Yes exactly.

Beentheredonethet · 26/07/2023 13:07

Pearlsaminga · 26/07/2023 12:19

I think you should be careful with him, he sees you as a result to exploit and he thinks he can take whatever he wants from you.

I doubt very much that this is what he thinks.

HeadacheEarthquake · 26/07/2023 13:52

@Pearlsaminga @MrsSchrute a bit of both

Pearlsaminga · 26/07/2023 14:09

HeadacheEarthquake · 26/07/2023 13:52

@Pearlsaminga @MrsSchrute a bit of both

It sounds very 'rock and a hard place'?
She possibly realised it would be better to encourage him to live independently but at the same time her fears about his wellbeing and her impulse to protect him overpowered that?

UlrikakakaJ · 26/07/2023 14:30

Hi @Beachbaby1234 I’m really sorry to hear this. I am also an adult child in a family where two siblings have significant needs in adulthood, one lives at home, and one/both are hostile to me. It’s really hard. I feel that I didn’t get my ‘fair share’ of my parents’ time and energy as a child or as an adult and I feel my own children don’t get their fair share of their grandparents which is painful. It’s also hard to see or even speak to my parents without my siblings as one lives with them and it’s a small place so no privacy on the phone and that sibling often comes to ours with them. My parents don’t address my siblings’ hostility to me and take the easy path of having family gatherings without me except Christmas lunch and I am not in the family WhatsApp. My situation is different from yours in that my hostile siblings like my children, but I find that very uncomfortable.

I don’t know what the answer is but I have decided to just focus on my own little family and enjoy the time with my parents that we get. I don’t want to make life harder for my parents with a big scene as they have a tough time even if it is largely of their own making. I have tried to reconcile with my very hostile sibling but at this point I think it is impossible so I have stopped trying.

I hope things get easier for you - sending you strength

Anna8089 · 21/12/2023 12:52

Sounds like he's on autistic shutdown which is frightening and confusing and depressing. High functioning is an awful label and should be removed . Hes going through literal mental torture. Talk to a health professional who understands autism etc for some advice . His behaviour does not mean he does not love yous. This is how he is communicating that something is wrong especially when going mute. He needs a support worker who specialises in asd. Adult social services can do this for you.

Anna8089 · 21/12/2023 12:53

So not what is happening.

Anna8089 · 21/12/2023 12:55

That is not what is happening in any way shape or form.

gamerchick · 21/12/2023 15:08

Did you just bump this old thread to talk to yourself?

Tacotortoise · 29/12/2023 18:17

Well you clearly don't understand your brother's autism. High functioning is a defunct term: like your younger brother, he is severely disabled. Is he receiving suitable support? No, but you're not the person to organise that either and, truth be told, there's little to be had.

Doesn't mean you have to pick up his care where your mum left off. Doesn't mean you have to lose your relationship with your mum. Would your life or relationship with her be easier
if you didn't have two severely disabled siblings? Yes, but you do.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 29/12/2023 22:46

My Dd is HFASD. I’m not sure she is severely disabled…..

Tacotortoise · 29/12/2023 23:25

How nice for her @ArseInTheCoOpWindow . Is she 40 years old, virtually unable to function and basically hiding in her room only coming out at night? Because you see the OPs brother has hf asd and he is.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 30/12/2023 00:14

Why so snippy? You seem to be saying that all ASD people are severely disabled

She very much can be like that. We’ve just had an extended period of that. She can also be hilarious and funny.

Tacotortoise · 30/12/2023 00:32

No, I'm saying that being "high functioning" has no bearing on how disabling one's autism actually is. It's fallen out of favour as a descriptor because it just becomes a term to minimise the severity of the condition (see also mild autism) or beat people with when they can't function as well as the world thinks they should.

MindfullyAmazedHorse · 30/12/2023 00:33

You are not at all unreasonable. I think you should continue to talk to your mother and brother & try to help increase his independence.

It may be worth contacting adult social services to see if there is anything they can help with.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 30/12/2023 09:17

Tacotortoise · 29/12/2023 23:25

How nice for her @ArseInTheCoOpWindow . Is she 40 years old, virtually unable to function and basically hiding in her room only coming out at night? Because you see the OPs brother has hf asd and he is.

No it’s not nice for her or us. Why would it be?

Tacotortoise · 30/12/2023 09:27

Because you don't feel that she's severely disabled by her autism. My point is that many people w high functioning autism, including the OPs brother, are.

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