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The shoes on the other foot.... I am having an affair

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sanb · 20/11/2002 14:37

First off, I'm sorry for changing my name but as a regular visitor I don't think I'm ready for the general mumsnet population to know about my situation. I posted in early September about a dangerous attraction I had with a man I work with. I'm not proud to admit it but it has progressed and I am having an affair with him and as much as I don't want to do it I can't seem to stop. I started seeing this guy about 2 months ago, it started off totally platonic and rapidly progressed to a full blown relationship (if you could call it that). I haven't told a soul about what's going on and it is really starting to get to me. I never understood how a woman could put up with second best and here I sit offering it. We are both married and have no intention of leaving our spouses, mainly because of our kids - we both know that the respective partners would be off with our kids in a shot if they found out.

Please, please don't lecture me, because I know that it's wrong. More than anything I would be interested in hearing from any of you who have been a similar situation and how you managed to end it (or if you didn't how did you get used to living in secrecy)?

Thanks in advance

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roxie · 22/11/2002 17:51

sanb

please dont think that you're being 'got-at'. I think people just want you to do the right thing.
you'll decided to do it in your own good time and noone can try and make you do otherwise.
you'll feel now that you'd wished you'd never posted and who can blame you - i'd feel the same.
i'll get slated now - but hey it's life, people have to deal with it, take care...

willow2 · 22/11/2002 21:55

sanb - not going to judge you - can understand how these things happen. Just wanted to say don't stop posting, that's what this place is for.

WideWebWitch · 22/11/2002 23:22

sanb, no experience really so maybe I shouldn't be posting hey! But wanted to say that whilst I agree with sobernow, Rhubarb etc about the theory of not having affairs, these things do happen and you're right, you do have to deal with it. It doesn't sound to me as if you want to end it though. Do you? Or do you want to know how to manage the two? This is a genuine question...for you really, because I can't answer either of them. I also want to say keep talking here if it helps to sort it out, especially if you've told no-one else. It must be hard keeping it all to yourself. And no, I'm not going to lecture you!

jessee · 23/11/2002 00:38

sanb I hope you have not gone. I understand what you are going through.
I had an affair a long time ago. It lasted several years and no we did not ever get found out. I loved him and he loved me.It kind of came to a natural conclusion eventually and I ended it.
No I am not sad I did it. It was full of highs and lows. I am not some kind of a heartless monster and am surprised at some of the harshness being expressed her. You have my sympathy and I totally understand where you are coming from but am afraid I can't offer any advice. All I know is when I had the affair it was such a big part of my life I did not want to give it up.It was very precious.
I can tell you more if you are still around.
Hope you are feeling okay and not saddened by some of the remarks here..

tigermoth · 23/11/2002 10:33

sanb, sorry you feel so slated, especially as you specifically posted to ask for help from those in a similar situation. If you decide to end it, I would imagine their comments will be of great relevance. The fact that you have bothered to post at all IMO shows that you care about your marriage.

I can't give you any advice but wondered if you can ask this of yourself, if you haven't done so already. Is it the buzz or the actual man that you are attracted to? If you can be clear about that it might be easier to decide what next to do.

valleygirl · 23/11/2002 11:08

Dear Sanb
My tale may put people's noses out of joint slightly, but my experience is a positive one of how affairs can work out for the best for all!! I too started an affair with a married man at work who had 2 small kids. I had worked with him for several years before anything actually ever happened. There was always an attraction, and he did proposition me a year before our affair started, but at the time I was in a relationship, an unhappy one, but I knew that having an affair for me was not the solution to my relationship problems, it would in fact only make things more complicated. However that relationship ended on my terms and I spent a really great 6 months single, free and very happy. However as events transpired I realised that my attraction to the man in the office hadn't gone away and one drunken evening we talked about our mutual feelings and attraction, and the affair started.

I went into the affair knowing that the guy was incredibly unhappy at home with his partner of 10 years, and at the beginning a major turn on for me was knowing that I had become the person who made him happy when all else in his life seemed like s**t. Yes the thrill of the affair was exhilarating - I've never felt so alive and he transformed from the office misery-guts into an enthusiastic and energetic person, it took a decade off him! And the sex (the few times that we did get the opportunities) was incredible, and yes, like probably all others out there who start an affair we lied to ourselves that we could just get by with what we got, that we both had our own agednda (i was planning on emigrating, he said he could never leave his wife and kids), but i think it's very hard for both parties to get into an affair without at least 1 party getting emotionally attached. in our case we both ended up falling for each other.

It was by means an easy ride - often the buzz of the illicitness was barely enough to compensate for the enormous stress we both felt, i felt iincreased resentment towards his family who had him all to themselves physically if not emotionally when he went home, he felt terrble guilt about the lying and cheating. the stress became so much that i actually ended the relationship (because it most certainly WAS a realtionship), i juts couldn't be second best anymore. I found my self the most unhappy i've ever been - in a month i lost 2 stone, i couldn't eat, i couldn't sleep, i felt more alone than i could have imagined, basically i was heart broken.

Anyway to cut a long story short, this period apart made us both realise that what we really wanted was to be together. We have now been living together for almost a year, I have a good relationship with his children. Yes, when he told his wife and left her she was of course devastated and angry at having been lied to and betrayed. She was confused and scared and understandably quite difficult and spiteful for some time but 12 motnhs down the line she has a new boyfriend and she is very happy, and she admits that what happened (ie him leaving her, not the affair of course) was for the best as they were so incredibly mismatched and wrong for each other. The children have adapted brilliantly, they are young enough and resilient enough to deal with anythinG so long as they know that their parents did not split because of them, and that they are loved dearly. I hope that when they are older they will not blame me for their parents splitting up, but see me as a caring family member.

A few words of advice that I can give you sanb: if you find that you have developed real feelings for this man then beware that my situation is not the norm. men usually don't leave their wives/partners for the "other woman", but you should really trust your instincts on this one. Much as I loved my man, and he assured me that he would leave his wife, until he actually told her and walked out of the door i wouldn't allow myself the luxury of accepting it wholly.
also in my case we bacame more and more greedy to spend time together, and the more that happens the more likely you are to get found out because inevitably one does get complacent and careless.

Throughout the affair I had 4 really good friends that I confided in. They NEVER judged me, they counselled me, and were supportive and gave me hugs when i needed them, listened with interest and compassion when i told them the good stuff and the bad stuff. So when I did finish it I had an amazing group of people who were there for me, who never told me "i told you so", and who made it possible for me to get on with life. I never doubted that no matter how unhappy I was, I knew I'd get through it and be OK. YOU WILL SURVIVE if you do end it, but it is SO IMPORTANT to have at least 1 or 2 people you can trust and lean on.

Affairs are rarely borne from happy relationships - many things may trigger them, but i think that a lack of communication on a very basic level is of primary importance. If you want to salvage your relationship then you have to begin to communicate your feelings with your husband, one thing for sure is that you can't salvage a relationship when your head and heart is full of the man you're having the affair with.

One other thing that i found personally from my experience is that a lot of women (not my friends) were quite threatened by me, and I wondered whether the affair I had made them look at the vulnerability of their own relationships, and that i symbolised all their inherent fears about the problems that they might have been having with their own spouses? just a thought.

Anyway, sorry so long, but i sympathise with you so completely, if only our feelings were black and white then it would be so easy to get ourselves out of the emotional messes we find outselves in, but alas we are human and therefore things are never that straighforward.

Good luck to you, and do keep us informed.

jessee · 23/11/2002 13:26

valleygirl I am really glad your story has such a happy ending. Good on you
You described very well some of the problems inherrant in an affair. I relate to a lot of it.

Rhubarb · 23/11/2002 15:13

Ok Sanb - sorry I was so heavy-handed on you. But as a wife, and mother, who loves her dh very much, I know that I would claw out the eyes of any woman who would dare to jeopardise all of that. I feel very passionately about affairs, but I'm no angel, as I said before I have been tempted myself when things have been going bad and can see how easy it would be to have a one-night stand for example. BUT you did ask for advice on how to end it, and I was just giving you the incentive to do that! If you saw yourself the way I see you, I'm sure you wouldn't want to be that person.

I'm sorry for you, and your family, and your lovers family. I hope you can make the right decision soon.

mam · 23/11/2002 19:56

Snab, how old are your children. I was very young (10) when I feared that my mother was interested in a male friend of the family. I remember the fear, worry, stress it caused me and so much more. It ended and I don't know for sure if my dad ever knew/found out but to this day those worries haunt me. I remember thinking at times why don't mum and dad try to love each other more but they did love each other and I grew up feeling guilty about the times I interrupted their time for each other. I could go on but must end before this is seen. Please think about how mus t go sorry

jessee · 24/11/2002 02:14

sometimes you just get gripped by that "life is passing me by" thing and thats when affairs happen. It is all about that intense connection with the other person when everythig else seems unreal and pale in comparison.

Tigger2 · 24/11/2002 10:46

When I was sufering from a bad bout of depression a few years ago, I cold not stand my husband being near me, never mind having sex, for nearly 9 months we had sex about 2 or 3 times. When I became well again, I asked him why he didn't go "somewhere else" for sex, and he replied in saying, I love you no matter how you are feeling, what you look like, and would never ever turn my affection to anyone else. I can honestly say that our love is very very strong, we are more than a married couple, lovers, partners, it is very difficult for me to describe our relationship. As my father had an affair and it ripped my mother to pieces, myself as well as how could he betray her like that? I am not having a go at anyone who has an affair, I just cannot understand WHY they have an affair.

Sanb, I hope all goes well for you and you make the right decision in your life, take care.

Tigger

sobernow · 24/11/2002 12:55

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Rhubarb · 24/11/2002 15:02

My dh has had a bad experience of affairs too. The first love of his life slept around behind his back - everyone knew but him. She even snogged his brother in front of him! His mother had an affair with a family friend which everyone knew about. It hurt him deeply and left him with a mistrust of women. I hope you are still out there Sanb and make the right decisions.

music · 24/11/2002 15:54

Hi sanb, hope you're ok. Years ago I had an affair because of problems in my relationship(see other thread). I'm not saying that made it right, but that was why I did it. I think you need to figure out why you're doing it. Problems in your relationship? Or falling out of love with dh? Or falling in love with man at work? Or sheer boredom? Whatever your reasons, you need to figure them out and decide on an action to take. Think about this:

If you still love dh an want to stay together, by cheating on him, you are only creating a greater distance between you.

If you no longer want to be with dh, but the man you're having the affair with is only for fun, what happens if he is really falling for you and leaves his family to be with you. Then his kids would suffer, he would be alone and you and dh would split in probably a less than amicable way.......

If you are in love with this man, would it not be better to call a stop to the affair until both of you have left your respective partners. Therefor avoiding breakups which are nastier than they need to be.(for the sake of the children and everybody's future with them)

Lastly, if it is just excitement and thrills you're after, maybe there might be other ways to get them with dh, then it could be something to share. You never know he might be up for all kinds of things, 'swinging', orgies, porn etc etc..........

All I know is that when my parents split up it broke my heart and I was 15! It took me about 10 years to get over it. Sorry to be so serious, but don't you think the situation deserves that kind of attention? Lastly, I hope you don't have the added worry of what this man might do if you end it. (like I did) I really feel for you, as everone makes mistakes in life, but all I can say is my affair caused my relationship no end of problems, when really I could have talked to db instead. Good luck.

Ithappens · 24/11/2002 22:32

Sanb, I have changed my name for various reasons but I know what you are going through because I am living through something similar myself at the moment - an affair that I need to sort out, one way or the other.

Like you I know that it is 'wrong' but it is never that black & white is it. My dp had cheated on me in the past but I didn't do this for revenge but it does factor into what you are doing, it has to. There are so many reasons for why this happens and then when it does - you get caught up into the whole passion and excitement of it all and I am sorry to say you do loose perspective as it is addictive and drug like in it's nature.

I have found that confiding in close friends has helped incredibly, like Valleygirl - they did not judge me but offered support. Granted they knew my own situation and understood pretty clearly why it has happened - but they still gave me perspective on it all when my own was lacking.

What I eventually realised was that I needed to obviously sort out my own relationship first. So I have stopped everything. As someone else has already said and it is so true - you can't sort out anything with your marriage when your head & heart is full of another man.

It is not easy at all and you do 'grieve' but I do feel better for it. Time and space brings clarity of thought and vision, which is so needed in this situation.

We still might end up together (he is separated from his dp) but at least now I can look at my marriage and what is wrong (and unfortunately there is a lot) and decide what is the best thing to do without the influence of those desperately strong feelings of 'lust and passion'.

You will know what to do when you feel strong enough emotionally to do it but don't judge yourself harshly - it happens and in my experience it could happen to anyone - you just don't know what life holds.

sanb · 25/11/2002 09:08

It Happens,

Thank you so much for your posting. I feel awfully guilty about what is happening in my life at the moment and to hear that I am not the only one is something. Some of the questions you and others who have posted have made me really stop and think and I have spent the weekend mulling things over.

Like you I think there are some very serious problems with my relationship with DH. There is a serious distance between us (which was the case pre-lover) - we just seem to have developed into mommy and daddy with nothing else in-between. We used to be really insular, totally into each other then some things happened (his affair) and the ball started rolling. I am now in the position where I have to wonder if things haven't gone too far as I can't honestly answer myself if I ask if I am 100% committed to my marriage. I definitely wouldn't leave DH for the other man - I don't have those types of feelings for him but am starting to wonder if a trial separation with DH is the answer. In the long run it's even less fair on him by staying with him when I am not sure if I love him. One thing's for sure though, I get something out of the relationship with this other man that I don't from my marriage - once again I am being totally honest - so don't run me out of town....

I feel pretty confused and am just hoping that with time and cooling off on all sides (I have stopped going out with this other guy after hours - so we only see each other during working hours now), things will become clearer.

Thanks to you and everybody for your input.... hopefully I will make some sense of this situation soon and life can continue.

Sanb

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sanb · 02/12/2002 21:04

Just thought I would give you all a quick update. Things between me and Mr X have cooled down significantly over the past 10 days or so - we have stopped seeing each out of working hours and today we have agreed to stop any other form of contact. So it would seem it is over - and guess what it really hurts. I miss him dreadfully already. I suppose what goes around really does come around.

Sanb

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threeangels · 02/12/2002 21:32

Hi sanb,

Sorry you are feeling so down. Just give it time and I'm sure you will eventually feel better. The feelings are probally something that have to run its course. Just remember whos most important in your life. Your precious children and hopefully your dh. I'm sure down the road you will be glad you ended the relationship for your childrens sake of course. Good luck in your future.

sobernow · 02/12/2002 22:28

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Lil · 03/12/2002 13:37

SanB, You must feel sad (and guilty) that such an enlivening part of your life has finished. But it finished without hurting anyone so whatever you do don't regret it. Surely life's too short to spend it being the 'virtuous mother/wife' all your life!Hey, you only live once!

Tillysmummy · 03/12/2002 15:18

Thinking of you Sanb and well done, I am sure you've done the right thing. Im a great believer in fate. Hope whatever is meant to make you happy does make you happy.

mam · 03/12/2002 18:35

Snab sorry to hear you are hurting and I wont add a but just a try to be positive now so that you can be happy again maybe there is something you can treat yourself to to help you feel happy in yourself now and again. Best wishes.

Ithappens · 04/12/2002 22:57

Hi Sanb, I know how it feels. We stopped our 'affair' a few times and it was terrible. I honestly felt 'heartbroken' - you miss the person and of course you miss all that energy that it generated that made your life seem better. However what drew you to each other is probably still there and so don't be suprised if you get close to him again even some time down the track - it takes time to pull away from someone emotionally and physically when you actually like them.

However remain strong and kind to yourself - once again time will help with your sadness.

Personally for me, I have used what happened to change my marriage hopefully for the better (still a little too early to know yet), if not, then it has given me strength to know that what I have now is not right and if my marriage ends, I will be OK. Still it has involved tears and much sadness - it is never easy 'love'.

I am thinking of you.

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