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Is my husband being unreasonable?!

40 replies

Jop12345 · 16/06/2023 18:45

Right I’m a stay at home mum to 4 children of primary school age. 3 of our children have special needs and they don’t all go to the same school. I cannot work due to length of school runs and also appointments etc so quite often at least one child isn’t at school. My days are extremely knackering and same-y! Often the kids are awake from 6am til 10/11pm. It’s hard work. I also do a tiny job for 4 hours a week.

My husband works. It’s a good job and very flexible (but very often only when he wants it to be!)

He does 2 or 3 one way school runs a week to one school.

He goes away on holiday with friends every year. He does hobbies every week. Im totally fine with that. He says he’s happy for me to go away with friends but we don’t really have the money and also I know he wouldn’t cope with the kids well.

He often takes the kids out on a Saturday to eat or play at the park for a few hours so I can rest.

When I leave the kids with him at home to go out for the day (very rarely ) he “forgets” to feed them proper meals at proper times. They can get cereal/toast/snacks so that’s what they do all day.

In the evenings he would never think to say “it’s bedtime now” and actually carry through with getting them all in bed. I literally have to tell him if I want him to help with anything with the kids .I devised a timetable to share bedtimes (as it’s hell) and he agreed to it, but at least half the time when it’s his bedtime I have to finish it as he just can’t be bothered to do it properly and they won’t sleep!

We also have 2 dogs and he does nothing for them even though when I said everything was too much he agreed to walk them sometimes in the eves to help me. But he just never sticks to his word and when I bring up the agreement he kicks off saying he’s tired and he’s been at work etc .

Now what I find totally unreasonable is that he doesn’t consider things to do with the kids “his job”! So very often if one kid has an appointment or something that means I can’t pick the others up from school and ask him to do it he kicks up a fuss . Saying “it’s not my job , i go to work, I’ve already done my school runs this week” etc . So today (and it’s not rare) he finished work at about 4.30 and I really expect him to come home and help, but no ,he goes shopping then wonders in at 7pm. I say “it must be nice to be able to just swan off without a care in the world” he then kicks off saying “I’ve been at work then I needed to get petrol because you’re making me drive the kids all over the place (extra school runs)and then I went to the shop, that ok?!” (Obviously that doesn’t take from 4 til 7!) Then he goes on and on about how he works and kids are my job etc ! He argues like a child and storms around the place being a bit aggressive (not to me as such just around me).
Then because he knows I’m pissed off (and he’s about to go out again !) he says half heartedly to the youngest kid (who’s easiest to put in bed) “come on I’ll put you in bed” he does but the kid gets up anyway so obviously I have to do it. Then my husband says “right I’m off to my evening class now and goes out again (literally at home for 10/20 mins) .
He is also out tomorrow night.

Now I’m very easy going and would never want to stop him going out (and he wouldn’t stop me ) but I just feel like he takes the p a bit!

I’ve told him I don’t like having all the mental load for the kids (which I 100% do have) but he does nothing to lessen it for me, and continually acts like because I’m a stay at home mum he isn’t responsible when the kids need out of routine care . But I’m only one person and often he needs to be involved as it’s not possible for me to be in multiple places at once!!

Even when it’s sports days etc he always moans and says “I do have work you know , I’ll have to change meetings etc !” Even tho if he wants to do something he 100% can drop work instantly! (He can set his own days/work load etc) . I point out plenty of other parents work and attend school things without a fuss! He should want to etc ! I actually feel like he should be asking when they are and arranging the time off himself but no I have to tell him, listen to the wingeing then continually remind him when it is and make sure he remembers on the day.

I just don’t feel like he considers me at all ! When I bring up problems he tells me that’s how it is or he says he understands and will change things but he doesn’t . He talks the talk often but never walks the walk !

He also drinks most nights which really bothers me as although it’s not huge amounts it alters his mood and the way he talks to me and the kids. We talked about it numerous times and he agrees it makes him snappy and angry and that he will stop but he never does . Infact he now hides the cans which is like lying as well as just carrying on, when he has said he would stop. To be clear he’s not getting drunk and I don’t believe he’s an alcoholic but it certainly doesn’t agree with him and I feel the fact I’ve said it’s not acceptable to me and said it’s a deal breaker for me and he doesn’t respect that is upsetting ! He does have a habit of lying (to get out of dealing with things )which I HATE!

He never arranges family days out or anything for me . In the evenings etc he would never come and chat to me or spend time with me . Only if I initiate it. Unless of course he wants something….

He is reliable though (wouldn’t leave !)and deals with all the running of the life admin stuff (eg paperwork, insurances , tax etc etc ). I deal with ALL kid admin stuff (schools, doctors etc and there’s a LOT!)

Im stuck between (a) thinking our lives are hard and we’re both trying our best to muddle through and (b)thinking he’s a selfish immature b that seems to think because he works he isn’t responsible for the kids !
I would like to work and can’t and he knows that (we have discussed various options but it’s not possible at the mo) and openly admits he could no way do what I do and swap !

I feel like he’s another kid I have to consider and almost “tell what to do” all the time when it concerns him caring for the kids . When he’s away it’s actually easier for me as I do what I usually do but without the disappointment that he’s not helping with the kids and without the resentment I feel towards him.
If I think about him when he’s not around or maybe when we’re on holiday having a nice time I feel like I love him but when he’s at home I very rarely feel like I do .. in fact often I feel like I hate him!

If you got this far please tell me if he should freely help me with the kids in the evening/do extra school runs if I can’t, if I ask him to ?!?

OP posts:
Daisydu · 19/06/2023 13:38

You know you should leave him. I get it’s hard. Also with you jointly owning the house that’s going to be the tough one, as you can’t just go and rent elsewhere! so definitely speak to women’s aid.

Daftapath · 19/06/2023 15:34

Take out the same amount and put it into a savings account in your name. Keep putting any extra money into your account.

Then leave him

Justtryingtobehelpful · 19/06/2023 18:46

Being aggressive around you to intimidate you without making physical contact with your is abusive. Check out Lundy Bancroft.

I also agree that he's able to do these shitty things because he knows you'll hold the fort.

Organise couples counseling without his consent. That'll help you see if he's going to change his ways. If not, time to get organised.

QueueEtwo · 19/06/2023 20:07

Honestly what's the point of him?

All he does is make your life harder!

Can you get your financial information together & go to speak to a solicitor about divorcing him?

Even if you decide not to do it yet! Knowledge is power & if you know exactly where you stand & what the situation would be, that might make you feel less hopeless & give you something to plan & work towards?

Not that I am advocating staying with him!

blackpooolrock · 28/06/2023 10:54

Go to a hotel for a night or two and leave him with the kids. He has work? So what... he needs to manage - he would need to manage as a single parent. The kids won't like it but they will survive a day or two without you.

Can't afford it, you can't when he goes away but he still goes anyway.

This is not a criticism but you are putting barriers up as to why things can't happen or change, you need to step out your comfort zone and take a different action or things will never change.

begaydocrime42 · 28/06/2023 13:00

To be honest he doesn't sound that bad. Works, does life admin, does look after the kids.
You do have the option to go out, it sounds like you just wont because you fear he'll do something in a way that you don't(?) And again if he's putting the kids to bed just le t him do it? It just sounds like you don't really like each other and don't communicate very well, but he sounds like he's quite a present father, idk?

Bookworm20 · 28/06/2023 16:04

You need to tell him, not ask him, tell him you are going away for a couple of days. Because you are at breaking point and need a break. And tell him that because he has had lots of breaks and you've had none, he will have to cancel his city break because of finances and he'll need to watch the kids.

Your need right now trumps his want. And it also trumps his mates disappointment (if its actually a mate he is going away with). Your mental health, trumps that. Announce it like it is a done deal. Just like he does.

If he kicks up a fuss about looking after the dc. Tell him he either does it for those 2 days because you need a bloody break or he'll be doing it every other week forever because you'll be getting a divorce. Which would he like to pick.

he has completely checked out of family life it seems. Does a few school runs and the bare minimum, but sounds like he spends most of the time out of the house or avoiding any responsibility. Also telling you he doesn't love you, that you are controlling for asking him to come home and help. He has checked out.

I hate to say it OP, but are you sure hes out just with his mates or at hobbies?

Also, if you divorce, considering you have 4 dc, 3 with special needs, its would be very very unusual for you and the dc to be the ones who have to leave the house.

Jop12345 · 28/06/2023 19:44

So another upset. One of our children went on school residential trip on Monday. He (the child) said he wanted to go out for a family meal the night before he left. When the evening came it was 4.30pm , my husband was sunbathing and “doing work emails “ (in inverted commas as I know when he does this it’s basically playing games on his phone interspersed with a few emails) he had also drunk a beer already! I said let’s go as I still need to help child pack later and obviously don’t want him having a late night. Husband starts being arsey saying “I am working still” (he clearly was not and could send the odd email when out if needed) making it horrible vibe when I was trying to make it nice for son.
So we have the meal , kids had a nice time. Got home and it was bedtime for younger 2. I still needed to pack with son so said to husband “can you put two youngest in bed so I can focus on son” .
Within seconds he’s barking orders at the two kids, aggressively blocking room doorway etc and they start playing up because it’s not a nice bedtime and that creates tension. He then says something horrible to one and they start crying . Husband has zero patience. Husband shouts “I’m not doing it , do what you like kids etc” I then get really cross and say “why couldn’t you just do it nicely and get them in bed so I can pack with son and make it fun for him?!” Husband then starts aggressively arguing about why he shouldn’t have to do it, the kids don’t listen , I’m always having a go at him etc “

Son going on the residential starts crying because we’re arguing and then I’m furious with husband as he’s spoiled this for son . I stop arguing for sake of son, and start trying to make it exciting for son again but husband carries on shouting in to me and shouting about how hard done by he is etc. he knows son is crying but cares more about himself and “having his say”.

im livid about this still but today husband acts like nothing happened again .

then today I find our young children on computer games my husband has bought in to the house that are way over their age rating (my husband doesn’t play but bought the ps4 for my son to play footy games ) but I just think a responsible parent would have got rid of the horrible violent games . I asked him to get rid of them a few times and he hasn’t and now they’ve played them which makes me sad. When I say about it he starts shouting at me.

someone above says we would be able to stay in the house but we couldn’t . Only my husband works and we couldn’t afford to stay here and rent somewhere for him and he has no where else to go.
moving is really not an option for a lot of reasons … which brings me back to having to put up with it until they’re older . I know it sounds pathetic but there’s too much to consider and my wants have to come lower down .

I also told him i absolutely don’t agree to him going on the city break … couple of days ago he tells me he’s booked it.

it’s just a hideous situation, honestly.

also to the person who said they think he might be having an affair… I don’t think he is. We did have a horrible time when my youngest was born when he was messaging someone at work. I never check phones as I kind of think if they want to cheat they will and I won’t drive myself mad . I trust until I have proof not to trust. However this day I needed to urgently message someone as my phone had died . It was urgent so he handed his phone to me quickly and I saw the message above the person I was messaging and it was from this work colleague. It was way over friendly and had a kiss. So obviously then I read back and they’d been messaging often daily what id call an emotional affair (which takes the piss as he never has offered me any emotional anything!) . Also particularly hurtful as I had lots of very young kids including a newborn I was struggling to feed etc and instead of supporting me he was texting her!

looking at all this seems awful and I’d say leave him! But obviously in between we kind of just live our lives and lots is ok (usually if I don’t expect anything from him and arrange everything!) agggh honestly it’s so rubbish this situation.

OP posts:
Jop12345 · 28/06/2023 19:45

The hobbies and city break and holidays I know 100% he’s with the people he says he is with as I know them very well .

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Jop12345 · 28/06/2023 19:46

And see photos etc !

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Jop12345 · 28/06/2023 19:48

Also about the break for me. I just wouldn’t enjoy it as I’d be worried about the kids and dogs. Plus when I have been away for a night once or twice I didn’t want to come back!! So honestly it wouldn’t be helpful for me!

OP posts:
Jop12345 · 28/06/2023 19:55

begaydocrime42 · 28/06/2023 13:00

To be honest he doesn't sound that bad. Works, does life admin, does look after the kids.
You do have the option to go out, it sounds like you just wont because you fear he'll do something in a way that you don't(?) And again if he's putting the kids to bed just le t him do it? It just sounds like you don't really like each other and don't communicate very well, but he sounds like he's quite a present father, idk?

I’d say he’s a reluctant present father. He’s there and happy to do things with the kids that he likes like football etc but he does very little parenting. You say just let him do the bedtime… that would entail me letting him shout at the kids, manhandle them when they’re being hard work , and then when he storms off just letting the kids stay up. So can’t really do that . I have to intervene . If I go out and leave him to it I can guarantee at least some kids will still be up when I get home at say 11pm . That’s far too late and they’ll be wrecked for school so again that’s not responsible of me.

Youre right we definitely can’t seem to communicate. I arranged marriage counselling about 8 years ago and he went to a few then said it was too stressful and said he wasn’t going again!

No we don’t like each other anymore. We do when there’s no stress around but that’s not real life .

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kerryelaine100 · 15/08/2023 15:01

I think he is having an affair too .. my gut feeling while reading all this .. x

muchalover · 20/09/2023 18:14

If you end your relationship you will have 50/50 custody. You can work on the days your children are the sole responsibility of their father. He WILL have to make adjustments.

Might be worth asking him this question.

Widower2014 · 07/10/2023 11:49

I'm a single dad (widowed). He isn't going to change, trust me. He is the only thing important to him. Does he make an effort for your birthday, anniversary etc.

Whilst I wasn't good at planning days out, I did the night feeds, bedtimes etc. If wife was tired and went to bed, I'd sit and sort the washing, load dishwasher and empty it in the morning.

Weekends I would cook breakfast or we went out, ok only the local shopping centre but we would eat etc. I would sometimes drop kids off/pick up from nursery and never worked late/weekends unless we both agreed.

You need to think about what you need and if necessary put it in writing to him with the consequences of him not changing his whole attitude to you, his kids and the house.

Oh and both my kids have varying SEND issues so it's always been none stop

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