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Should I live like this forever?

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sativum · 23/05/2023 07:14

Hi, I am having some trouble with my marriage and really quite confused, so looking for some perspective. I am 34 and have been with my husband for my entire adult life (we married aged 23). We have two daughters aged 4 and 1. I have been suffering with chronic insomnia for a few years and realised only quite recently that I was not coping with life as well as I thought, so sought counselling. Through this I have realised that I grew up in a toxic family where I was emotionally neglected and abused, basically trained to keep quiet and not be an inconvenience to anyone. While trying to come to terms with this and figure out what kind of involvement I want with them in the future, I have started to realise that my relationship with my husband is not very healthy either.

My husband had a very traumatic childhood for several reasons and when he lost his mum aged 17, I wanted to be there for him. He has always showered me with affection, compliments and gifts in return. Our family and friends are always saying how much they admire our relationship and what a good guy he is. He pulls his weight with the children, probably doing more than 50% of their care, despite the fact that he suffers with chronic anxiety and depression for which he takes medication. He is a very generous (if slightly demanding) lover. So it seems that I have everything to be grateful for and little to complain about.

The problem is, he is emotionally and financially dependent on me. I have spent my entire adult life trying to ease his anxiety, depression, fatigue and heartache but it is a bottomless pit and I have become exhausted. I feel suffocated trying to help him get through normal aspects of life without experiencing too much pain, and have had to suppress all of my own emotions to do this. To add to the pressure, he works part time in a low paid job while I work full time and bring in most of our money. I have asked him several times to try and get better work but he gives up at the slightest hint of failure, and I am made to feel guilty for having asked in the first place.

By this point I have a conditioned response to the slightest indicator that he is unhappy. It gives me intense feelings of anxiety and guilt. This is has imposed big limitations on me, for example I do not drive because it makes him too nervous to be in the passenger seat, which also leaves me in the position of having to ask him to drive me everywhere. I do not feel able to rest when I am ill (even minor surgery) because he becomes exhausted and overwhelmed, and snaps at our daughters. I feel I have to ask for permission to pursue my hobbies even when I have cut those back massively over time. In addition to working more hours, I cook almost all of our meals and do more of the cleaning to take the pressure off him. It sounds silly but I even feel guilty for going to the toilet sometimes because he seems to struggle so much in my absence. I often feel trapped and even controlled.

Additionally, before we had children he had a period of very bad depression in which he was frequently suicidal. He treated me quite badly despite my efforts to support him and had an emotional affair with a friend. His own therapist confronted him about this at the time and he denied it. I forgave him without any argument because his mental health was so poor at the time, but having made so many sacrifices to help him be happy, I still feel pain about it. I guess one major issue is that I have always known that if I walked out on him, there is a real chance he might kill himself.

I am starting to think that he has unintentionally subjected me to a sort of low grade abuse for my entire life, and my gut instinct is to protect our children from his behaviours. But on the other hand, I know that he does genuinely love me and is generally the kindest and most loving man. He is having counselling again now, and I think he might be willing to make some real changes for the better. But after 17 years, I have made so many sacrifices and I am so drained, I am not sure whether I should gamble the rest of my 30s on that. I wonder what other people would do in my position? Thanks so much if you read this until the end, I know it is long.

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tailinthejam · 23/05/2023 14:10

sativum · 23/05/2023 11:22

Thanks. It is my entire adult life because I moved in with him when I was 17. I have never been in another relationship.

I see what you are saying about it not being abuse, this is something I am constantly questioning. I am completely aware that other people have it much worse. But I get very upset when he has done things like shouting in my baby's face to be quiet because he cannot cope with her crying, or talking to my older daughter in a scary and intimidating way when she dawdles on the stairs before bedtime. I do stand up to him when he does things like that but he minimises everything and then gets sad, like I was in the wrong to disagree. I guess abuse was a strong word to use but I do feel like he treats us all like shit when he's not happy.

Yes, he does treat you all like shit when he's not happy. Then he minimises it all and blames you. That's really not on, is it?

No matter what his mental health problems are, if this situation is making you unhappy and causing distress to the children when he shouts at them, then you really have to decide whether you are prepared to tolerate being in this relationship any longer.

Don't turn yourself into a martyr.

strawberryurchin · 23/05/2023 14:11

It doesn't matter if he's consciously abusing you or not; the behaviour IS abusive. He might not intentionally be doing it but it doesn't change the fact that it's abusive.

I think many abusive behaviours come from men who don't realise they are being abusive but also within that is the fact that he won't look at his own behaviour or accept this fact. It's almost lying by omission! If he were a caring and truly decent person he'd recognise the effects of his behaviour and do his damndest to change the bad bits. By refusing to do so he is mentally complicit as well causing the abusive behaviour. it's like he's allowing himself to get away with it "because of his MH issues". That's just as bad.

LadyJ2023 · 23/05/2023 14:43

Unfortunately I'm guessing the ones wo are saying leave haven't actually lived with depressive people before. There's quite a few in my extended family suffer badly and it's a horrendous illness. All the things your saying about being basically the emotional stability will never change its the illness that makes you like that unfortunately not because he is a bad husband or father. The fact he is actually managing a small job is very commendable usually with proper depression it can be extremely hard to keep a job,interact with people etc. You've actually mentioned a load of good things about him. What it also probably needs is a good sit down and thrash it all out how you feel also and make him really aware. Yes he won't remember every day but maybe he can improve on his good days. Remember this is an illness its a real illness you speak of many positives and negatives and tbh the negatives can be worked thru if you love each other. And misses get that driving test done best thing I ever did in my 30s its never to late to do something new 🙂feel free to message for a chat I know exactly how your feeling your not the only one but it can be got thru trust me 🙂

Dozycuntlaters · 23/05/2023 15:01

Unfortunately I'm guessing the ones wo are saying leave haven't actually lived with depressive people before

I have said OP should leave, and yes I have lived with a depressive person before. For many years. Regardless of whether it's an illness, it doesn't give anyone an excuse to treat people who love them like shit. Sceaming in a baby's face, scaring a young girl with a sinister voice is not the act of a depressed person, its the act of an abusive person. Many people have trauma in their lives, and they still manage to be perfectly decent human beings.

Seas164 · 23/05/2023 15:05

@LadyJ2023

Yes depression is a shitty illness. Whether an illness is causing his behaviour or not, the end result is that his behaviour is making him a bad husband and father. That's not up for debate.

And this love will conquer all, sit down and thrash it out over a cup of tea, if you loved him you'd stay, better or worse is just really unhelpful.

How about 17 years of banging your head off a brick wall is enough pennance, whatever the reason, if she loved herself and her daughters, she would leave?

strawberryurchin · 23/05/2023 15:15

@LadyJ2023 so you think it's ok that he screamed in a baby's face and terrorised the other young child?? controls the OP to the point where she's not allowed to drive herself anywhere?

Strange, these things usually don't form a part of "depression". He may be depressed it doesn't mean he's not also being an abusive arse.

InBedBy10 · 23/05/2023 15:16

Seas164 · 23/05/2023 15:05

@LadyJ2023

Yes depression is a shitty illness. Whether an illness is causing his behaviour or not, the end result is that his behaviour is making him a bad husband and father. That's not up for debate.

And this love will conquer all, sit down and thrash it out over a cup of tea, if you loved him you'd stay, better or worse is just really unhelpful.

How about 17 years of banging your head off a brick wall is enough pennance, whatever the reason, if she loved herself and her daughters, she would leave?

This 100%.

Another thing you seem to be ignoring @LadyJ2023 is that the OP has said that she is unhappy and even if he was to change tomorrow she doesn't think she could stay because the damage is done and she does not feel the same way about him any more.

@sativum at the end of the day you are not happy in your relationship. It doesn't even really matter what the reason is.

You. Are. Not. Happy.

If he didn't have mental health issues no one would be encouraging you to stay in an unhappy relationship.

sativum · 23/05/2023 15:31

I would also add that I don't think depression really excuses the emotional affair that he has not acknowledged despite two therapists and me both thinking he had one. He slept next to her for the sake of comfort while I was at a conference earning the PhD that now keeps the roof over our heads. I know this because he told me, and was totally bewildered when I burst into tears. What an idiot! It would have been nice if he'd decided to own up in the years since, but I suppose I didn't give him any reason to.

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anewdispensation · 23/05/2023 16:00

You have described my marriage to a T. It’s no life and it will drain you. I’m in the midst of a divorce now. Happy to chat but you need to get out.

Seas164 · 23/05/2023 16:27

He's anything but an idiot OP, he knows exactly what he's doing.

sativum · 23/05/2023 20:54

anewdispensation · 23/05/2023 16:00

You have described my marriage to a T. It’s no life and it will drain you. I’m in the midst of a divorce now. Happy to chat but you need to get out.

Sorry to hear it's been rough for you too. Are kids involved? Did your marriage feel bad all the time? What was the turning point?

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