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Help with My Wife's Guy Friend

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DBard7 · 17/05/2023 16:30

Hey All! I've posted this on other forums, but just trying to cast as wide of a net as I can on gathering opinions as to how best to deal with a situation. Trying to gauge if I'm overreacting or if there's a legit need for concern/boundaries.

My wife (35F) and I (43M) have been together for 12 years, married for 7 of them. For the most part, we've had a loving and supportive relationship, although that went through a very trying period when a lot of major life events seemed to occur in a very short succession. Nothing horrible, but things like buying a house, having our kid, job changes, the pandemic, etc. that I feel took away from us making our marriage a priority and I feel we may have drifted apart somewhat.

So, cut to a few months ago. My wife has a guy friend she's known for quite sometime (since around the time we started dating) that she's worked with on various theatrical endeavors and I really thought nothing of him through all of it. He's married with kids and we hadn't really been in touch with him much, so I never considered him an issue or even at all. Anyway, this guy friend and his wife are having a dinner party and he invites my wife (and me) to come along. While we're there, I notice what I feel are some overly familiar interactions between he and my wife. Nothing blatant, but seeming to use any excuse to touch each other, a certain lingering look he had while talking to her, using excuses to be close to one another, even some hand holding. Again, nothing concrete or overt - his wife was right there- but just some things that made me feel uncomfortable.

I don't mention anything when we get home that night because she's a bit drunk and I don't want to seem insecure, but I barely sleep that night thinking about it. That morning, I can't help myself and mention that I thought it looked as though they were flirting a bit. She assures me that that's simply how they've always interacted in what she refers to as an almost 'sibling like' relationship where they can joke around and verbally spar, but she doesn't think of him in any romantic sense. I chalk things up to me misreading the situation and after a few days, forget about it. But just as I'm getting in to bed one night, she tells me that he's reached out to her about collaborating on a theatrical piece together. It wouldn't go up until nearly a year and a half from now, but she says he wants the two of them to start meeting together, one on one, to begin the process. She tells me it's nothing to worry about and that she isn't even sure she'll do it, but says she may want to work with him in the future. This proceeds to send me into a rough tailspin of anxiety (I didn't sleep for almost 2 nights) as I'm worried that there's ill intentions on his end, but I'm afraid bringing up these concerns will make me appear insecure.

I work with my therapist a bit and finally address these concerns with my wife, who tells me she's not likely doing the show with him, although mainly because she doesn't want to spend time away from our kid and that, again, she doesn't think of him romantically or is attracted to him. I try not to let it bother me, but I overhear her talking to a friend (I truly wasn't snooping - I honestly happened to be passing the room when I heard the conversation) that while she did, in fact, find her friend attractive, she would never cheat on me or do anything to ruin our marriage.

Then, about a month ago, she mentions he's invited her to an ongoing game night where they would meet once a week or so with some other folks.

I'm open with her about my concerns that he might be utilizing these as an opportunity to be romantically closer to her and that, while I trust her, I don't 100% trust that this friend's intentions are purely based on building a friendship. I request that we set up some boundaries, at least temporarily, on hanging out with this friend while we work through some of these concerns (amongst other things) with a couple's therapist. She agrees to this, but I can sense her disappointment with the situation.

Here's the thing. All of this has gone a long way to help me realize I was neglecting her and our marriage in a very big way. I've since doubled my efforts to be a better partner and listener and she's remarked that she can see the difference. I've never worried about infidelity with her and still don't, for the most part. And I would never want my anxieties or concerns to keep her from doing something or enjoying herself.

I absolutely understand her disappointment in my requests for some boundaries and I feel no small sense of disgust with myself at the fact that I'm displaying some ugly and unattractive qualities of insecurity and jealousy.

But I can't help but feel like a lot of what the guy friend is doing is intrusive. While everything he's proposing is relatively innocuous on the surface, I simply don't trust that this isn't an opportunity to flirt with her or indulge a romantic desire for her. I don't necessarily think any of this would culminate in an actual affair, but it bothers me to no end that I'm observing what I think is an obvious mutual attraction between them and that he would attempt to indulge in that with her privately by instilling himself as a continuous presence, especially in lieu of the fact that I feel as though the romantic aspect of our relationship needs some attention.

I know attractions happen and that we can't help it when they do. I'm not upset at either of them if that's the case, nor would I expect her to tell me she's into him when I'm obviously in a tender and venerable state. I guess what I'm trying to gauge is what's really in my control here and what appropriate boundaries I could bring up that might help ease some of these concerns. I'm trying not to play into the role of 'jealous, insecure husband' and I know some of these requests will likely be viewed as overly controlling. But I'm also not prepared to gaslight a gut feeling that something feels off about all of this and, as this has literally never been an issue in our 12 years together, I'm inclined to believe that there's something more here than just my insecurities getting the better of me.

Really appreciate any and all perspectives and thank you for taking the time to read all of this!

OP posts:
Shivvy120 · 17/05/2023 17:12

I think your worries and fears are justified. If I were in your shoes , I’d probably be pretty annoyed, you seem very reasonable in your response to this.
You've done what you can. You have told her your fears and innermost thoughts on the subject, based on what you saw at the dinner. It’s not like you dreamed up this situation - you saw it with your own eyes.
If they do end up hanging out, of course it could lead to something else. You know she fancies him which is less than ideal, but also pretty natural to fancy people… what maybe is worrying is her one on one alone with him.
Your wife needs to be the one to set boundaries with him. It’s more than OK in my opinion for you to ask her to do this. You are simply trying to protect your marriage.
There seems to be an effort here on someone’s part to hang out with each other - the game night … working together …. It could be seen as creating opportunities.
however she does say that she would accept going to a therapist with you which is a good sign.

UndercoverCop · 17/05/2023 17:16

The thing to hold onto is that regardless of whether he has a thing for her or not she has told you, and her friend that she wouldn't cheat on you with him (I wouldn't worry about the seeing him as attractive part, I can look at a lot of my friends and see they are attractive, it would be a lie to say otherwise. I don't want to sleep with them).

You don't have to trust him you only have to trust her.

PrestonHood121 · 17/05/2023 17:20

I'd say your concerns are valid. She needs to be drawing boundaries with him so there is no way he can keep pursuing her. A married man has no reason to pursue building a new, deep friendship with a married woman. He needs to work on his own marriage while you and your wife focus on strengthening yours, which will take both of you.

HowRatherGolly · 17/05/2023 17:24

I am with you OP, this seems fishy. I have had these so called friends who claimed to be just that, only for it to be something way more sinister. I would be worried as I know what some men are like when they are brewing things. Claiming they are just such good work friends or like siblings, this so called friends gives me ick vibes.

VerityUnreasonble · 17/05/2023 17:31

Either you trust her or you don't.

If you believe she is committed to you and your marriage then it doesn't matter if she hangs out with a room full of supermodels who all fancy the arse off her. She loves you and won't cheat.

If you believe she will cheat then preventing her going to games night with a group of people seems unlikely to stop her but will probably cause some resentment. Cheats find ways to cheat.

He isn't an issue at all. He can't "turn her head" unless she chooses to turn it.

Mabelface · 17/05/2023 17:35

The difficulty here is that we're only able to see this through your lens.

Why has it taken someone finding her attractive for you to get a kick in the pants about how you treat her? Why don't you treat her well?

I'd say it's probably not a good idea for you to gain validation via forums and to do both individual and couples therapy. Only then will you know if the issue lies with you or with your wife.

Specialized101 · 17/05/2023 20:54

I`ve just had a similar dilemma,GF of 3 years has a younger ,attractive and financially desirable friend who I can see has the hots for her (he invited her out for his birthday drinks recently and said she could bring me but only if she really wanted to....),she has never seen him in any other way apart from close friend of many years and dismissed the text message as just Rob being Rob....
I was out recently with friends whos partner works with him,she confirmed that he talks about my gf a lot and told the mutual friend that he has always had feelings for my GF and would love to take things further.
Like somebody already said I only have to trust her not him,but it makes me a bit uncomfortable when seeing them together or hearing about their friendship meet-ups

IDontWantToBeAPie · 18/05/2023 08:56

If you trust her there's little reason to worry. An affair needs both to participate. If you actually mean that you don't trust her but want to sound like you do... well there's your issue.

Willow12345 · 18/05/2023 09:18

Mabelface · 17/05/2023 17:35

The difficulty here is that we're only able to see this through your lens.

Why has it taken someone finding her attractive for you to get a kick in the pants about how you treat her? Why don't you treat her well?

I'd say it's probably not a good idea for you to gain validation via forums and to do both individual and couples therapy. Only then will you know if the issue lies with you or with your wife.

Completely agree with Mabelface, the sensible route is couple's counselling. You both need to discuss this in front of someone else, as I feel there are potentially other things going on here.

middleager · 18/05/2023 09:26

Trust your gut instinct. Even when you trust your partner, it doesn't mean they won't stray, sadly.

Many years ago I encouraged my boyfriend to hang out with a female friend of his. She was going through a rough patch in her relationship and we were both trying to help her cheer up. I trusted my boyfriend explicity, so I had no issue with them hanging out at first. But I started to notice that they were overly close and my inner voice was telling me to try to stop this. When I confronted my bf, he dismissed my concerns and said he was not interested, they were just friends and that neither would cheat.

It ended up them having an affair and leaving both us partners. I kicked myself for encouraging this, but the fact is, it may have happened anyway, but I supported their opportunities to meet. I don't know how I would have stopped it if their desire was there to meet or if she had kept pushing to see him - because he obviously wanted to see her.

In your situation, I think you are right to voice your concerns and set boundaries. There's little else you can do now except pay her the attention your relationship was lacking (and I can read that this is what you are doing) and try not to worry as it will eat you up and there's only so much you can control.

Frogger8395 · 18/05/2023 10:43

The sibling crap is a red flag. Next thing she’ll be saying he’s like a brother and they hug each other like siblings bullshit. This is an affair in plain sight and she is attempting to get you to sanction it by agreeing to them regularly spending time together.

It sounds to me that something was already going on before this get together. Lingering looks, touching each other, and you say there were holding hands.What an absolutely massive pisstake of both you and his wife. If that’s what they’re doing in public what are they like when they’re alone?

Having been in this situation myself previously I know that a big concern is not wanting to be seen as controlling or jealous. But there’s a big difference between being jealous and having boundaries. If this happened to me again I would not try to stop my spouse from meeting up, but I would let them know they wouldn’t be married to me while they were doing it. If they chose to meet up, I would leave. I don’t want to be married to someone who’s holding hands in front of me and doing lingering looks.

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