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Domestic Abuse in relationship

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coeur86 · 16/05/2023 17:50

Hello all,
I am coming up to 4 years with my partner. However, things have taken a turn for the worse.
We met 6 months before the pandemic - it was great. We moved in together during the pandemic & got used to be around each other lot, both working from home. We share similar interests and built a connection quickly. I began to see some concerns then ie I disclosed I had trust issues from previous relationships and childhood - he was blank. I now understand this to be his complete lack of emotional availability and maturity. He was married before but it did not last more than 6 months - he was pressurised into not calling off the engagement due to family and cultural pressures. He spoke with anger when retelling his version of events. I have now learned that his whole family have anger issues; they are unable to navigate conflict or communicate maturely and they have learned this from their mother.

A year in, I discovered some lies about his previous girlfriends. To me, there is no issue with people having a past but if one of those exes makes contact when we are together , he tells me a woman has reached out and I ask a question, then I should be told the truth. Before he met me, he had a 4.5 year fuck buddy situation but told me he only slept with her a few times. The fallout from his marriage seems to have scarred him & in the 7 years before he met me, he only had 1 steady relationship of 11 months. Everything else was casual dating. That is his business and whilst we have been dating, I have never had concerns around him cheating. He carries alot of shame (previous relationships, sex outside marriage, losing virginity to prostitutes) from his past which does not align with him as a muslim man (part time muslim - does not pray, very occasionally drinks alcohol, does fast).

Over time though, the lies and my own insecurities have placed a wedge between us. I am more insecure and anxious (alot of this anxiety comes from my own childhood and I have received therapy about this in the past). When I am upset about work or family, he can respond with care and kindness - does not always know the right things to say but he responds.

However, whenever I raise a concern or something I am insecure or anxious about, he shuts down, does not come to me when I am crying and is just blank. He is unable to identify a feeling when I ask him how does he think something made me feel. But now, he is responding with anger and arguments or discussions escalate quickly. He has always had a temper which started with raised voice. It then moved onto throwing something in the flat or breaking something.

We broke up after 2 years together and I moved out for a year. We had a break and then continued dating. One time, he came around and we argued. He became very loud and left. Someone in my building must have called the police as they turned up at my door. They encouraged me to complete a Claire's Law. I started but never saw it through.

He has broken a shoe rack twice, taken a shoe horn to the wall and damaged the door frame, broken a clothes horse. He has driven the car in a dangerous manner (speeding up) to scare me. He can be unpredictable.

He has smashed my mobile phone in the past. Yesterday was the worst. I refused to give him his laptop as he was going to work. I know I should not have done that - it was immature of me. We had an argument the night before where he told me that he forced himself to hang out with me after his coffee with his brother. I had met a friend. Whilst I was walking home, I asked him if he wanted to grab an ice-cream - he said yes and we drove to a place we like. Later that evening he told me he forced himself to go with me and that he wanted to stay local. What upset me was the fact he could not just express his preference clearly, instead of throwing it in my face. In a way, I felt like he was lying again, even though it is tiny. I was upset and slept on the couch. He just ignored me. The next morning, I wanted to talk about it briefly and for him to apologise. He refused to talk about it until the evening, i kept on pressing as in my head it was quick, say sorry and move on.

He forced the laptop out of my hand by tightly squeezing my wrist. I resisted and pulled away from him. He was standing over me. He pushed my head back a bit, put his hand on the base of my throat/chest area (this happened once before), he spat at me. He backed off and I went to sit on the balcony outside. He open the window and called me a f*ing c**t over and over, insulting me in my career and telling me he was going to smash my face in and that it was my fault he was behaving like this.

I did not react - just sat there quietly until he left to go to work.
I am devastated. He did not message all day and apologised when he came home. I have no family in this country but have been here over 10 years. I cannot afford a one bedroom flat now due to the prices. I am living in his council flat and the rent is more affordable. We have a summer holiday booked in August together. I have told no one, only messaged Victim Support once before and Refuge last night before he came home.

I am heartbroken that the man I fell in love with could do this. I am human for having emotions and feelings, I should be able to raise them and my partner should be able to respond calmly. He has been my rock since I met him and I cannot imagine my life without him. I am 36 and we have talked about getting married. I feel like I have wasted 4 years. I believe I will never meet anyone again and that I will be too scared to trust. My friends are all settled with babies and moved away out of London. I feel utterly alone and sad. I cannot see a way forward without him in my life but I also now what is happening me is abusive and damaging me. Does it get worse? Will he get better if he gets help for his anger? Will he be better for a different partner after me?

I wrote here to offload & seek advice please. I am an educated and knowledgeable individual and cannot believe I have ended up like this.

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Pinkbonbon · 16/05/2023 17:57

Sorry you're going through this op.

But I'm sure looking back now you can see all those massive red flags right?

Next time you know, any man who seems blank at your suffering...or who throws and breaks things...or who has nothing but short loved marriages and relationships in his past - isn't a keeper.

It will get easier. Throughout your life moving forwards, always read up and refresh your knowledge on how to spot abuse. Knowledge is power.

Pinkbonbon · 16/05/2023 18:11

Sorry I somehow thought you were out already on my first skim read. Seriously find a way out.

And - he isn't angry. He's abusive. There's a difference.

All the throwing stuff...normal people don't do that. Sociopaths do. It's an intimidating tactic. They pretend it's because you've 'made them angry'. They use that as a way if abusing you. Of making you change your behaviour as you walk on eggshells.

Speak with women's aid.
Make plans. Get out.

It's not you it's him. And yes, he will abuse future partners to.

Pinkbonbon · 16/05/2023 18:14

Ps: you'd also be wise to report him to the police.
He threatened to 'smash your face in' and has generally abused and intimidated you. It's all illegal. And there should be a report made so as the police can help keep you safe.

Pinkbonbon · 16/05/2023 18:21

Annnnd pps: spareroom.com.

Rent a room. Cheaper than a whole flat.
Don't let him know where.

Inform your workplace if you work so they can keep watch for him. Maybe ring 101 (I think that's the police one but maybe double check it's not the medical one) and report his behaviour if you don't feel ready to go to the police outright.

If you need quick money, is there anything u can sell on ebay?

Any family you could stay with till you find a place to live?

coeur86 · 16/05/2023 18:22

Thank you @Pinkbonbon
Yes, looking back I can see the flags - I wish I did not ignore them.
I am scared to go to the police. Will they go to him and tell him/arrest him? And he comes back here? His sister lives around one corner and his mother around the other. I still live here and do not have enough money to save enough yet to get out.

I am so angry. Angry at myself. Angry at him. I have provoked him many times in the past. I know his father illegally claims universal credit and I have threatened to report his father as a way to get to him. The people he cares about the most are his family and that is one way to hurt him. I am hurting and I want him to hurt and to pay for the pain he has caused.

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coeur86 · 16/05/2023 18:26

He says he has never behaved like this in the past and it only started with me. I am the first woman he has lived with so maybe there has not been an opportunity. A previous girlfriend overdosed to get his attention as they broke up and while all this was happening, he told me he punched a hole through the door. She then pretended to get pregnant to try keep him.

I doubt the Claire's law will show anything. It is highly likely anything was reported, they both came from the same community and it is small.

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Pinkbonbon · 16/05/2023 18:26

Call them on the non emergency number and speak to them anonymously as to what would happen if you reported him. And what the procedure would be ect... explain your circumstances.

I think if it's his house you would be wise to leave him first as they may only be able to keep him out of it for so long. But I don't know. No harm in asking them.

I get that you lash out but it's a bad idea. Mice shouldn't poke cats.

Focus on getting out safely.

coeur86 · 16/05/2023 18:28

It is his council flat that he is renting and funnily enough, domestic abuse breaks the terms of the contract.

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Pinkbonbon · 16/05/2023 18:32

Look they always make out you made them do it. It's abuser textbook lol. It's bullshit.

I mean I'm not saying you're helping matters. It sounds like you have toxic behaviours too. But we all behave a little barmy when broken by abuse.

I bet you never really felt the need to make anyone else suffer right?
They take you from you. And each day, they pour a little of themselves in. Until you don't recognise who you were anymore. Until you can be just as broken and bitter as them.

Get out. Get therapy. Spend a good 2 or 3 years single. Read up on how to recognise abuse. Refresh your knowledge from time to time throughout life.

coeur86 · 16/05/2023 18:38

@Pinkbonbon Yes, you are right. It has been toxic and I have engaged in toxic behaviours but only once I was pushed so far. I have reacted really badly ( I think it is called reactive abuse). I think I am a shell of myself but then I have days I am really strong. Why do I still want to holiday with him? Why do I believe he will change and not do it again?

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Pinkbonbon · 16/05/2023 18:45

Could be trauma bonding?
Essentially, when they are the cause of your pain and stress but also the solution to it (when they act nice) your body gets conditioned to needing them. Because otherwise you're on a stress roller coaster with no idea when you can get off.

But once they've been gone from them a while...your body stops producing all those fight or flight hormones and you feel OK again.

Or it could just be that you're still in love with the false idea you had of him. But he isn't that person. And you have to let the idea go.

Also, there's always the 'what if it's me' feeling.
It's not you. And even if it was...so what? This relationship doesn't make you happy. It causes you suffering and is turning you into someone you don't want to be. There doesn't have to be a blamed party to end a relationship. You can end it simply because its not healthy and it doesn't work.

TheShellBeach · 16/05/2023 18:49

coeur86 · 16/05/2023 18:38

@Pinkbonbon Yes, you are right. It has been toxic and I have engaged in toxic behaviours but only once I was pushed so far. I have reacted really badly ( I think it is called reactive abuse). I think I am a shell of myself but then I have days I am really strong. Why do I still want to holiday with him? Why do I believe he will change and not do it again?

Because you hope so.
I was the same.
I kept going back, thinking he would change.
He didn't
We had two children.
Eventually I realized that I had to protect them.
I left. He was arrested.
I went to court.
He was told to leave the flat.

I moved back in.
That was thirty years ago.

Honestly, you need to leave him.
Don't be me. Don't have children.
Leave him. It will get worse and worse.

Please leave him. And report his assaults to the police.

coeur86 · 16/05/2023 18:54

Thank you so much. I work with children and more and more lately I am thinking I cannot bring children into this relationship. I cannot have them exposed to him because more often than not he is angry and moody. I am just so heartbroken right now. Barely functioning. Thank you so much.

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Pinkbonbon · 16/05/2023 18:56

Just a heads up btw, that spareroom site, there's flats for 4 or 5 hundred a month all bills included (apart from your food of course) in some places. Obviously depends on where you are. London for example can be more like 800+

But usually way cheaper than renting. Rent a room in a flat with some other women and you'll make new friends too maybe.

TheShellBeach · 16/05/2023 18:57

coeur86 · 16/05/2023 18:54

Thank you so much. I work with children and more and more lately I am thinking I cannot bring children into this relationship. I cannot have them exposed to him because more often than not he is angry and moody. I am just so heartbroken right now. Barely functioning. Thank you so much.

Of course you're heartbroken
That's understandable.
Time will make things better.
I'm so sorry you're in this situation.

coeur86 · 16/05/2023 19:00

Yes I am in London. I was renting a beautiful flat before I met him for 1050 but now one beds are 1700/1800. I wish my old flat was still available and the landlady was incredible! Some rooms in flats are going for 1200 at the moment. I can pay this but it seems so unfair that my old flat was that much and I feel like I will never get on the property ladder at this rate.

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Pinkbonbon · 16/05/2023 19:07

Ooft yeah that's pricy.

How are your savings?
Could you look for a new job somewhere that paid well but in a cheaper area? Could your job transfer you?

I'd be inclined to consider moving somewhere cheaper.

I was looking at central london rooms just the other week and wishing lol. Would love to stay there for 6 months xD but my bank balance ...not zo much lol. Suppose it would be fun thoigh...before bankruptcy lol.

Justkeepingplatesspinning · 16/05/2023 21:38

Please contact women's aid and see if they can give you a space in refuge. You need at the very least a safety plan and they can help you to make an exit plan.
I'm so sorry you are in this situation, I've been in similar and wondered how I'd managed to get into it. These persons have strategies and gaslighting is one of them.

coeur86 · 22/05/2023 21:15

I went to a domestic abuse team and an IDVA called me today which has been really helpful.

I have another question. I want this information to be logged somewhere - I want to go to the police but I don't want them to speak with him until I find somewhere safe to live. Is it possible to report this without him being spoken with? I just read about strangulation and its frightened me. He put his hand on my throat but did not squeeze and this is one of the biggest indicators of further abuse & death.

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Justkeepingplatesspinning · 22/05/2023 22:11

I think there is a way to do this, your Women's Aid DAP who you were speaking with would know. I hope you get yourself out and sorted soon.

Newmumwales · 22/05/2023 22:32

Definitely talk to the police too hun to get it logged. Maybe ask womans aid for advice about that as you don't want him spoken to until you're safe? How is it there tonight?

coeur86 · 11/06/2023 19:52

Hello, me again. So last week i was attacked by him & I called the police. I caught him lying and hiding info - a huge issue in the relationship. It escalated & when he left I called the police. He was arrested for ABH, GBH & non fatal strangulation. Released on bail after 24 hours. I had to move out and am in a room temporarily.

What is going to happen next? The police have barely been in touch with me and I have not been provided with support. I gave a statement but have not been called into police station to give more detailed one.

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Justkeepingplatesspinning · 12/06/2023 05:33

Yikes. I'm sorry to hear it all escalated again, glad you are out of there and hopefully feeling a bit safer. I'd be standing on the doorstep of your local women's aid when they open this morning. They can give you support, emotional and practical, with a safety plan etc.

coeur86 · 31/07/2023 20:49

It’s been two months since he was arrested. He has been bailed for 3 months. I did a video recording statement with the police. What happens next? If it goes to court, could he be prosecuted? I just watched an instagram live where a man went to prison for 7 years. This frightened the life out of me. Would he get something like that? That’s a long time and worries me, even though what he did was awful, this could really mess up his life.

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Pinkbonbon · 01/08/2023 01:10

Op it should mess up his life. He attacked a woman. Twice.

If I said that a man attacked me twice but i was worried he might go to jail for it, what would you say to me?

If it was a stranger that attacked you, how would you feel?

This is worse. Because he isn't just a random evil person. He's someone who was supposed to love and cate for you. So to do what he did, is just next level disgusting.

As for the guy that got 7 years...he'll likely be out in 3 unfortunately. And we don't know how similar the circumstances were.

Convictions are rare. And those who are convicted, usually don't serve the full sentence.
And tbh...I suspect if its assault he's being charged with...he might only get a couple if years in the first place, if even, if convicted.

But op..hesbelongs in jail.
Tbh he should probably never be released. He attacks women. It really is that simple. Although it doesn't feel that way because it's still so raw for you.

But I promise, 3 years from now, you'll be bloody glad he got jailed, if he did. Infact, you'll probably wish he got longer in jail.

How have you been?

I just reread your first post and skimmed the ones in the middle until your most recent one but, have you looked into doing the freedom programme online? I think it might really help you as it sounds like you are still dealing with a trauma bond to your abuser.

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