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Should this be a dealbreaker?

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namechangedtoask · 16/05/2023 12:14

I'm 40, widowed with a 7 year old daughter. I've been dating off and on for 4 years (my LH died 5 years ago). About 18 months ago I started dating a guy who kind of restored my faith in men after a series of absolute frogs. He's kind, reliable, communicative, well-adjusted, good at talking things through, great with my daughter, completely understanding about my LH, never pushy, doesn't play games... he's wonderful. We have a great time together and I love him very much.

But (because there's always a but) we are mismatched sexually. The sex we have is really good, don't get me wrong, but I am very adventurous with a high sex drive, whereas he has a much lower sex drive and is less experimental. Sex, to him, is just one part of what makes a relationship great and he gets as much out of cuddling or talking or sharing experiences etc, whereas for me sex is one of the most important things a couple can share. We have talked about it a lot and things have definitely improved on both sides, but there is still a big difference between us and I suspect, always will be.

Ultimately, I don't think he's ever going to be the sexual partner I want. He doesn't have that level of desire (not for me specifically, but for sex in general) and sex is just not that essential to him. It has got better and it does continue to, but it will never be where I really want it to be. But in every other respect he ticks every box. I feel like I would be mad to throw that away over one thing because if it was anything else that wasn't quite right, I would absolutely live with it because everything else is so great. And honestly, I've seen what else is out there and I know he's pretty special!

And so I'm at an impasse.

Has anyone been in a similar situation? How did it work out? I'm not sure I'm so much looking for advice as I am looking to hear from other people who have been in a similar place.

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Watchkeys · 17/05/2023 09:18

lost20000 · 16/05/2023 19:30

Absolutely nope. If you feel it now it will become a much bigger problem in time. He needs to be much more willing to meet you halfway

He really doesn't. He needs to respect himself and his needs/wants, and not do sexual things because someone else wants him to. OP has to be responsible for herself, and decide whether or not he is suitable for her.

Hairpinleg · 17/05/2023 09:31

...(he never has trouble getting or staying hard but sometimes he’s not able to cum).

This seems like more than mismatched libido. I'd be concerned about this, if the sex you are having doesn't seem to be working for him.

TheSparkling · 17/05/2023 10:56

I don't think there are any easy answers OP. I am in a similar position myself (widowed and with a boyfriend of two years). He is perfect in every way for me but he is a little older and our sex life has slowed and slowed to about once every 6 weeks. I really struggle with it to be honest because I would be open to it every week if I had the choice. Realistically I know the chances of meeting someone else that is so well suited in every other way are very slim and I am trying to focus on the long term picture.

Like you I have a need to be desired and wanted more often than I feel right now but I am balancing that with the lovely feeling of having so many other things that are feel very right and comfortable with my boyfriend.

It's tricky and I don't think I have been much help to you OP apart from to say you're not the only one in this position.

QueefQueen80s · 17/05/2023 11:29

So many women would love him haha.
I said this on a thread yesterday but.. you can't find everything in one man/woman. And if you do, you are luckier than anyone. He sounds great everywhere else, and someone more animalistic is more likely to cheat or have a wandering eye etc. Not always. But the chances of finding someone who ticks EVERY box is very low. At least he is having sex and regularly.

PaintedEgg · 17/05/2023 11:31

QueefQueen80s · 17/05/2023 11:29

So many women would love him haha.
I said this on a thread yesterday but.. you can't find everything in one man/woman. And if you do, you are luckier than anyone. He sounds great everywhere else, and someone more animalistic is more likely to cheat or have a wandering eye etc. Not always. But the chances of finding someone who ticks EVERY box is very low. At least he is having sex and regularly.

but that's a good thing that some women would love to have him - OP can feel less guilty for leaving him

QueefQueen80s · 17/05/2023 11:32

SquaresandStarlings · 17/05/2023 00:06

I do wonder OP if by making this 'a thing' you are actually extinguishing it.

Sex is something that, by direct reference to it, makes it everything that it shouldn't be. It's all about the feelings.

I can only go by my own experience - my DH has a massive sex drive, but on the, very few, occasions that I've initiated sex, he's just not interested. For him it must be him pestering me until I finally 'give in'.

I do believe that with subtle changes you can work this to your advantage.

Erm what? He only likes it when he has to convince you?

QueefQueen80s · 17/05/2023 11:33

@PaintedEgg True, just think she needs to think carefully about her chances of finding the perfect all round man, and if he does exist he may take years to find.

PaintedEgg · 17/05/2023 11:47

QueefQueen80s · 17/05/2023 11:33

@PaintedEgg True, just think she needs to think carefully about her chances of finding the perfect all round man, and if he does exist he may take years to find.

I guess it's a matter of priorities. There are a lot of nice people out there - but relationships take more than that.

Speaking as someone who also finds sex to be extremely important in a relationship - I'd be pretty miserable with mediocre sex on schedule once a week. That would not have been a fulfilling relationship for me and there is nothing really a partner could offer to make up for that.

Imagine if it was about something else - like OP being outgoing and her partner being the type to only sit at home and never go out or meet up with friends. One of them would always end up miserable and it is near impossible to work out a compromise when you're that different. Neither would be wrong - just not a good fit for one another.

In current scenario neither of them is actually happy with their sex life - she doesn't get enough and he feels like he is failing her. This does not sound anywhere near good, let alone perfect

OhComeOnFFS · 17/05/2023 11:49

SquaresandStarlings · 17/05/2023 00:06

I do wonder OP if by making this 'a thing' you are actually extinguishing it.

Sex is something that, by direct reference to it, makes it everything that it shouldn't be. It's all about the feelings.

I can only go by my own experience - my DH has a massive sex drive, but on the, very few, occasions that I've initiated sex, he's just not interested. For him it must be him pestering me until I finally 'give in'.

I do believe that with subtle changes you can work this to your advantage.

That sounds like an incredibly unhealthy relationship.

OhComeOnFFS · 17/05/2023 11:50

PaintedEgg · 16/05/2023 16:44

@namechangedtoask someone else hinted at it - maybe you should give living together a go and see how it is then? Maybe he would get more comfortable with more experimental stuff if he got more comfortable with you - living together increases intimacy after all (for better or worse :P)

She can't mess her daughter's life up like that.

PaintedEgg · 17/05/2023 11:52

OhComeOnFFS · 17/05/2023 11:50

She can't mess her daughter's life up like that.

if that's the attitude then this entire relationship ja pointless anyway

PaintedEgg · 17/05/2023 11:52

is*

Nanny0gg · 17/05/2023 12:06

namechangedtoask · 16/05/2023 13:26

@Niceseasidetown You're absolutely right of course, and that’s my worry. Do I give up on a man who is loyal and trustworthy and honest and who is willing to love my kid and build a family with me without replacing my LH because of one thing? I’ve had great sex without the other stuff and that sucked too! He is very affectionate and loving, although more with cuddles than words, but I have no complaints there – that for him is the most important part so I get plenty of those. But I don’t feel desired.

@PaintedEgg Thing is we HAVE done more experimental things and they were really fun! But I’m almost reluctant to initiate them in case they don’t work and then that’s my sex for the week over with! Which I know is so stupid…

You're 40. So sorry to be miserable but the menopause isn't that far away.

Now it could be that being free of pregnancy risks could ramp up your libido or it could have the opposite effect.

If that happened and you've split up previously that could be a big regret if you haven't found someone more in tune

BarbedButterfly · 17/05/2023 12:13

For me it wouldn't even be the lower sex drive, it is the rigid idea that sex happens at night or in the morning in a bed. That just wouldn't work for me at all. When you are first together sex happens more anyway so what happens if or when it declines further.

I have said before that those who don't see sex as hugely vital for them often don't get why people would leave an otherwise good relationship due to it. I did leave and have no regrets at all. I just wish I had done it sooner. It felt like suppressing a big part of myself.

Laffinalltheway · 17/05/2023 12:28

When you say you are more experimental, can you be more specific? I mean if it's a certain act(s) that he's not into, you may have to have to accept that, but if it's more general there may be a way around it, but without knowing...

JosieOhNo · 17/05/2023 12:31

I've always had a high sex drive; menopause ramped it up even more! Then throw in HRT and I feel like I'd jump anyone, anytime 😂

mummymeister · 17/05/2023 12:42

I always think back to the advice that my old Nan gave me about men. "there is no such thing as Mr Right only Mr Compromise" so very true. No one is perfect for you, no one. just as no one is perfect for me. He is changing, he is trying and as you say when drunk much more experimental. but what happens if you do ditch him, get to the menopause and go completely off of sex? Dont think it cant happen because it can and does. Then you will either be on your own or stuck with a man with other issues who used to be sexually wow as far as you were concerned but you are no longer into this. 30/40 years with the wrong person is a long time. Personally, I could compromise on this and spend some time helping him overcome his reluctance/shyness. But at the end of the day he is your Mr Compromise and not mine so its down to whether or not you can compromise on this.

BigButtons · 17/05/2023 12:47

I m in a very similar situation sex-wise. I could have sex everyday. I’m mid 50’s. My partner of 5 years has a much lower sexual drive.
for the first few year we averaged about 3 times a week and I could go with that.
in the last year it has dropped off to 1-2 times and it has become predictable and boring. My oh is a great man and I am always asking myself if I can put up with it.
he says he wants me to initiate, but whenever I do he turns me down. He’s always too 🥱 .

BigButtons · 17/05/2023 12:53

namechangedtoask · 16/05/2023 12:59

And I think more fundamentally than it being about how often we have sex etc it’s more about me feeling undesired and unwanted. He’s not sexually expressive or demonstrative, he’s not hungry for me in the way previous partners have been and I think that’s what’s making me so sad. I’ve often had a higher libido than my partner but I’ve never felt unwanted before because previous partners have been a lot more passionate in that way.

This is exactly how I am feeling.

Thisistyresome · 17/05/2023 13:14

Two things to consider:
Quantity - Is it medical? Does he have low testosterone? Was it always this way for him? For a men to have a sex drive that low is unusual (not unheard of) so it may be worth checking (if not just for the sake of other issues that may be with his health).
Adventurous – Was his childhood quite repressed? Does he have some hang-ups/insecurities that he may be able to work through and then be more in tune to where you are?

If there is something medical going on it may be causing an issue with libido and also add to insecurity.

namechangedtoask · 17/05/2023 14:54

Gosh, so many responses... will try and answer what I can!

@workshy46 Honestly I think you have a very valid point. Like I say, I had been dating for a while and finding a guy who is honest, reliable, trustworthy and understanding of my situation feels like a miracle. I am not unattractive and I didn't have any trouble getting dates, but that doesn't mean you necessarily find any good ones!

@xfan Yes this is also a good point. It took me a long while to introduce him to my daughter (over a year) for that very reason, and it has gone better than I could have imagined. To be honest, even if we weren't together, he would be in her life (too outing to explain how/why) and that would be a good thing.

@watchkeys I agree. I wouldn't ever want him to do anything he didn't want to do.

@Hairpinleg haha thanks for that – but no, it isn't about the quality of sex. It's very clear that he enjoys it! He has delayed ejaculation as a common side effect of essential medication he's on, and has done for many years (and it has happened with previous partners and also happens when he's masturbating). I knew about it before we slept together. It's only happened a handful of times, but he does get anxious about it.

@QueefQueen80s You have a very good point and I do feel very lucky to have found him.

@PaintedEgg Just to be clear: the sex we do have is GREAT, not mediocre. In terms of quality it's probably the best sex I've ever had. But other than that I agree – right now that aspect probably isn't working for either of us.

@Laffinalltheway Nothing specific! But sex for him is very much an expression of his feelings for me. It is loving and intense and emotional. And it's incredible, the best sex I've ever had. But I also sometimes just want to fuck, you know? And that's not his style. Although it HAS happened, and initiated by him, usually when he's drunk – which makes me wonder if part of it is repression or some kind of hang up. I know his previous long term partners would have been a lot more traditional and anything kinky wouldn't have been well-received.

@mummymeister Very wise advice, thank you.

@Thisistyresome That's a good point. I'm going to ask him to get his testosterone level checked, thank you. I think there definitely are some hang-ups as well – he had a religious childhood which isn't part of his life now but is no doubt part of his psyche.

To add: posting this yesterday was so useful for sorting out my own head. I've come to the conclusion that actually, it's not really about the frequency of sex – yes, I would like to have it more often but I do think we would find a happy medium if/when we live together – or the even necessarily the type of sex, but more about us being sexual with each other, expressing our desire for each other. I'm going to talk to him about this and see if there is a way we can fulfil that need for me without him doing anything he doesn't want to do. I do know that he finds me attractive and wants me – he is a very straightforward, honest and independent man who doesn't need to be in a relationship and if he didn't want me, he wouldn't be with me! – but I think I need that to be expressed in a different way than comes naturally to him. And perhaps that would solve a lot of the issues.

I'll report back!

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PaintedEgg · 17/05/2023 14:57

@namechangedtoask if it really is just the frequency then maybe you really should spend more time together and consider living together to some degree

Even if it means every other weeks for few days to develop a new routine

PaintedEgg · 17/05/2023 14:58

sorry, forgot to add - this also applies to actually expressing sexual desire. Maybe if he gets more comfortable around you these hang ups will slowly dissolve

namechangedtoask · 17/05/2023 14:58

@PaintedEgg It's too soon to live together, but a change in my circumstances does mean we'll be spending a bit more time together in the upcoming months so hopefully that will help.

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