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If you've been involved with a manipulator...

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Scheanasgreytooth · 14/05/2023 21:17

How did you survive it or get over it? Time? Did you ever have it out with them or get any answers?

I met a seemingly decent guy last year and we dated on and off for around 8-9 months. At first it felt intense, we had insane chemistry, however it was also unsettling because he was very closed off even after many months - which I simply put down to him being a more reserved lesson than I. Eventually I realised I frequently felt uncertain because it never felt like he was opening up. I had been considering ending things due to him being emotionally unavailable, so it had pretty much run it's course and I felt ok with that decision. Then I actually ended up finishing things very quickly one night, we'd met to talk when he suddenly went on a bizarre anti-female rant. Obvs I left quickly and we never ended up talking or having any kind of closure, I just got the hell out!

I googled some of the things he had said and discovered 'the manosphere' all this stuff referring to women as gold-diggers, women's brains as hamster wheels, men rating women's bodies, all these tips and tricks for getting women, for leading them on and getting low-effort regular sex, being an alpha male and so on. Really thinking back over our time together, I realised I could tick off practically every pick up artist/seduction trick listed on these redpill/manosphere sites and forums. The times I'd felt unsure was a certain technique. The hot and heavy chemistry was another trick. Withholding compliments, breadcrumbing, push and pull, all designed to mess with a woman's head and make her vulnerable. So on and on. I now feel like much of our relationship was all completely faked and what an absolute idiot I was for falling for all of it.

Interestingly it lead me to reading up on some psychology articles, and these 'seduction techniques' can essentially rewire your brain. So that you end up relying on and seeking out validation from this person even though you know logically they are toxic, they are like your 'high' and in some cases it can create a trauma bond tying you to the manipulator.

I thought I was doing fine without him, not seen him for many weeks now, and he did try to 'breadcrumb' me after I ended it but I didn't bite. However something must have triggered me because this weekend I've desperately wanted to reach out to him. God knows why, I'm aware how pathetic and weak this is so don't come for me! He's a horrible misogynist and I dodged a bullet - my rational brain knows this. I haven't contacted him of course because I rationally don't want anything to do with him, but my head or heart is obviously missing something about him, much to my shame. I think really it's because it feels like unfinished business, I'd love to know if he was just laughing at me the whole time for falling for his tricks or if anything between us was ever real. We had some amazing times (or so it felt to me, probably not at all to him) and now to think it was all a huge lie just baffles me. No idea how anyone can sustain a fake persona for the best part of a year! I know logically if I asked him anything about this, I wouldn't get anywhere and just another load of lies, but I just wish I could undo whatever he's done to my brain.

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freakingouttheneighbourhood · 15/05/2023 00:27

Whatever you do don't contact him. You've just described how manipulative he is so if you meet up you will just get more manipulation and disrespect from him and will not get any satisfaction or closure out of it. I can literally guarantee that. It will just make you feel a lot worse.

Yes I have been involved with a manipulator, broke up with him 8 months ago. Blocked him on everything, NC since then. In terms of how did I survive, it took a lot of time to process the breakup and basically I went through a period of analysing everything he did and realising just how bad it was and remembering it all, TBH I was pretty depressed for a while, but that was my closure, basically processing and developing my own perspective on things and turning it over in my mind, until I can accept it for what it was, and lay it to rest. Honestly I'm now feeling much more confident than I ever did, and much much happier than I was in the relationship and so so relieved that he's out of my life.

I would also recommend finding a good therapist you click with if you can.

The other thing is get out there and live your life, do things you enjoy, see people even if you have to force yourself. That will give you more of a sense of self worth and confidence and happiness in your life.

Also recommend the book why does he do that by Lundy Bancroft. It's a really no nonsense explanation of what makes him tick.

TLDR you absolutely won't find closure or healing by getting in touch with him but you can find it perfectly well on your own.

greenthumb13 · 15/05/2023 00:49

Wow so messed up. You'll never get closure, just try to find someone who actually loves and respects you.

greenthumb13 · 15/05/2023 00:49

He's messed up btw, not you!!

ZoraMipha · 15/05/2023 06:30

I think really it's because it feels like unfinished business, I'd love to know if he was just laughing at me the whole time for falling for his tricks or if anything between us was ever real. We had some amazing times (or so it felt to me, probably not at all to him) and now to think it was all a huge lie just baffles me.

This resonates with me OP and I really get it. The truth of it is though, even if you get back in touch with him, you will never get answers to your questions, and you will never really be able to understand what was going on in his head.

The best thing to do is take a deep breath and just try and distract yourself and keep moving forwards. This is the hardest time but it does get easier.

It sounds a bit weird, but I found that 'angry exercising' helped me! I would go to the gym and just really go for it on the machines to get out all my frustration. I lost a load of weight and it helped me emotionally too.

I don't know if there's anything like that you could do as a distraction/ release when you are feeling like contacting him?

Whenever I felt like getting in touch with mine (and sometimes I still do even after years of no contact) I think about all the reasons why I don't, what he did to me and how awful it was. Sometimes focussing on the negatives actually helps.

It will always feel a bit like unfinished business unfortuantely, that is something that you just need to accept. If you could understand him, you wouldn't be in this position in the first place. Focus on yourself and move on - you can do it.

barmycatmum · 15/05/2023 06:41

This resonates with me so much, I could have written it.
I was with him for four years.
he was in a men’s group, and he even told me he’d studied the “pick up artist” stuff to try to learn how to get dates.

my God, was I ever naive. I thought he was a good person, and yet he used all of this on me so subtly, and broke me down over time so slowly, I didn’t even notice. I just became more dependent and more uneasy, and less confident.

what he created in me put him off me - he broke me down so far and he didn’t like the walking on eggshells person I became. It made him worse.

thank GOD he left me, I don’t know when I would have been strong enough to.

do not let this loser back in your life. The ex tried to “breadcrumb” me, as well. It’s that old cycle - love bomb, devalue, discard, Hoover.

I took immense pleasure in completely ignoring him.

ThisWormHasTurned · 15/05/2023 06:46

I was married to a manipulator. We split a while ago. My life is happier without him but we have a DC together so I can’t go totally no contact.
There’s no point in having it out with him. He won’t change his mind, his won’t apologise. I suspect he thinks he’s perfect! Just block and delete. Do read up on love bombing, sounds like he may have done this. Thank your lucky stars you saw him for what he was and got away from him.
ZoraMirpha I do angry cleaning/house tidying! It’s great 😆

Scheanasgreytooth · 15/05/2023 08:01

Thank you all for your replies! I honestly feel like I've been so pathetic, it's nice to find some empathy.

I think a big part of it for me is like he's dented my pride too. I left a marriage with a narcissist and took time to heal and have therapy. Prided myself on dating carefully, spotting red flags etc. But it turns out I'm not at all skilled at spotting them! I allowed myself to fall for his tricks and trust him and let him fully into my life, so I'm obviously not as smart as I thought.

I do have quite a full life already, but totally get the angry workout. I just make myself busy and haven't contacted him and won't. I would just give him more power (and probably laughs) if I did seek out any answers. Only problem is we have an event booked for near Christmas (guess he was really invested in the future faking) and I haven't been sent the tickets yet. At some point I'll need to send him his.

I can't even appreciate the good times for what they were and be at peace with it all being over, because I'm now looking at everything through a totally different lens.

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