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Don’t think he likes/loves me any more

38 replies

Jan13Blues · 14/05/2023 08:49

Hi. There are quite a few issues. For a long time he has not instigated sex. When we do do it, it’s me instigating and I choose timing carefully so as to avoid rejection. But for quite some time he’s reduced affection to almost none. In fact none if I think about it. And then now I think we’ve progressed into disdain, I feel I irritate him. All the time! He gets quite angry at life (another issue). He often sees the negatives in a lot of issues but this seems to have become more apparent in our life together. He’s quite a woe is me / victim type person and I find myself finding the solutions but still he won’t even try to think positively. It’s wearing and I don’t feel like the life partner you know, us two against the world. I want to overcome various problems but feel like he deliberately doesn’t want to be part of this team and is holding me back from being equal part in what would seemingly be a great partnership!! So, I have considered, is he depressed? Is he stressed? Is there something else worrying him? Is it just that he’s had enough of me and feels trapped and doesn’t know how to address that? But the day to day thing that has prompted me to post (I really hesitate to post here as I’m not a SM type person and don’t share easily - I would not discuss this stuff with family/friends), is that I just feel so sad and lonely right now. There are frictions, and in addition no one to hold my hand (literally) he never hugs me, the past few times we’ve been out, hasn’t really complimented me on my appearance. I feel he nit picks and what is really hurtful is he’s started to do little criticisms. Two have recently been around my memory (just unable to recall/ forgotten a trivial thing), and this really hurt as it felt like a real dig at my abilities and was just trivial things. I can certainly have a laugh at my shortcomings, but these were not said in jest - as I said, irritation, exasperation, annoyance on his part, like I’m some kind of liability to him. There are other things but would probably make this post mammoth…. For me to bring this up with him I would / am going to find really difficult. He takes any criticism of anything really badly (again, the victim attitude), and also has a little habit of tit for tat which would again for me take me one step nearer killing love for him, and he also uses passive aggressiveness / sarcasm as a kind of defence. Has anyone else experienced this? The drip drip of the constant just feeling of lack of appreciation and just feeling treasured and special to someone?

OP posts:
Jan13Blues · 14/05/2023 11:26

You are all making points that the little voice in my head keeps coming up with. Thank you, it’s really helping. I have to go and do stuff but hope no one minds if I keep coming back with questions? I am just so indecisive and trying so hard to do right…. X

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pictoosh · 14/05/2023 11:27

YOU are a reasonable, emotionally intelligent and positive person, that's why you struggle to decipher his shit behaviour.

Jan13Blues · 14/05/2023 11:28

Thank you so much x

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Ladybug14 · 14/05/2023 11:28

He's abusive because he's emotionally abusing you by being cruel and unkind. Also manipulative and a bully

He knows he's doing this and won't stop

As you're about to renew the mortgage, now is a good time to split the house and move away from the abuse and eggshell walking

Alcemeg · 14/05/2023 11:32

Jan13Blues · 14/05/2023 10:40

Re the laying it in the table, does anyone have a good way to do this? It’s so awkward ‘we need to talk’…. I have thought about writing all my points down but would have to memorise it (don’t think I’d have the list at the table!!), and what if I forgot the most important point or we went off track. And of course he may raise things that really bother him that I wasn’t aware of, or things that I was aware of but didn’t want to previously face up to but would of course have to. And then if we decided to split, I dread the bad feelings we’d have to deal with while dealing with the eg financial/practical aspects. Has anyone had experience they could pass on, please?

The fact that you can't discuss it with him without making a list first (a habit I recognise all too well from my first marriage) shows that you are in an abusive relationship where you find it difficult to express anything, let alone feel heard. The "tit for tat" you mention earlier is just one of his ways of hammering you back into the ground.

I could get a nice little home with a little garden and just live a nice simple life
Please do this, OP!
Of course, he's going to be difficult about it. Sod him. He's difficult anyway. Where is the pleasure in spending 10 minutes with someone like that, let alone the rest of your life?!

You won't be lonely - get a nice cat and get to know yourself. Life alone can be wonderful, especially when you can relax and expand after being trapped in a cruel grip like this relationship. How wonderful that you're in a position to do this. Go for it without a moment's hesitation! He can find another victim from one of his social circles, and enjoy making her life a misery into old age, while you tend your roses and cuddle your cat and make jam and wake up every morning with a light heart!

Alcemeg · 14/05/2023 11:32

pictoosh · 14/05/2023 11:27

YOU are a reasonable, emotionally intelligent and positive person, that's why you struggle to decipher his shit behaviour.

^ This!

Livinghappy · 14/05/2023 11:33

You are trying to deal with him in a rational way but abusive people are not rational.

How long have you been together?

I suspect you are in the idealise, devalue, discard cycle.. now in the devalue stage, which usually happens when there is a commitment such as house or marriage.

If you want to understand it, read books on emotional abuse, Patricia Evans or Lundy. Its very common for abusive men to have an outward persona of charm and niceness but treat their partner horribly.

Can you really imagine a life in retirement with him where you both no longer have work..it could lead to greater loneliness

pictoosh · 14/05/2023 11:34

I think it's deliberate because I assume (I'll go out on a limb and say I know) you have sensibly and tactfully raised this issue with him before. More than once.
He isn't stupid, he understands.

philautia · 14/05/2023 11:37

He clearly doesn't love you, he sounds horrible.

Don't waste another minute with him. Start to make plans to separate. Don't keep flogging a dead horse. You can't get this time again and you're already wasting it with another badly behaving man - pick yourself until / if you know someone is definitely a good person for you.

Jan13Blues · 14/05/2023 11:47

I’ve logged back in because you’ve all been so kind ! I’m going on holiday soon so won’t bring this up with him till after that, and will think about it a lot and much more objectively with all your comments in mind. The timing with the mortgage is really difficult, I don’t think we’d sell it in such a short time but I think I have made up my mind to cut my losses. Alcemeg, your comment is exactly the type I’ve read so many times on MN! I think the reality will be hard, but I have bee alone before albeit with more support from parents…. Yes, the idea of retirement has been big in my mind and this is one of the things that’s coming to the fore now…. Must go, sorry x

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Manichean · 14/05/2023 13:16

OP you sound like such a lovely person - it is hard to read how horrible your partner is to you. He will not change - abusers abuse because they enjoy the power. Read "Why does he do that": https://ia800108.us.archive.org/30/items/LundyWhyDoesHeDoThat/Lundy_Why-does-he-do-that.pdf It might help you understand why he is such a nasty piece of work.

https://ia800108.us.archive.org/30/items/LundyWhyDoesHeDoThat/Lundy_Why-does-he-do-that.pdf

Alcemeg · 14/05/2023 14:31

@Jan13Blues
Alcemeg, your comment is exactly the type I’ve read so many times on MN! I think the reality will be hard
...but no harder than your current reality, which sounds dismal.

From your username I'm guessing you've been fretting over this since New Year. Well, there's no rush. Just keep it all in mind and watch and wait, and don't automatically dismiss yourself and your feelings just because that's what you're used to getting from him.

Plus, there is never a right time to make a break like this. There is always something that seems to make it impossible... a holiday, a birthday, Christmas, illness, any multitude of life's events both banal and dramatic. Just be warned, you could go on for decades waiting for the "right time"!

Mabelface · 14/05/2023 15:13

Just one more thing. We're taught that being selfish is always a bad and negative thing. It's not. Sometimes you have to be selfish and put yourself first, because why should another person's happiness come before yours?

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