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Wish I could be loved - is my mum a narc??

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Hellyaa · 12/05/2023 17:13

Just needing a handhold. Felt quite spaced out today since I received an awful, cruel text from DM. Lots of swearing, she called me nasty names! I’m always being told how I should be grateful to her for how I am now. I often think to myself, actually it wasn’t you, I grew up surviving by myself, you worked shifts and were asleep in the day. From my childhood till now, I’ve been constantly criticised or belittled. I’m not supported emotionally by her, even my DF ignores me and sides with her.

If it’s not the cruelty, I then get the victimy part of her - ‘FGS I’m old now and I have had life far harder than you’. I can never ask her for help as she thinks I’m being ridiculous and that I need to focus my energy on DC and DH to get over ‘silly issues’.

I’m in emotional pain RN but also I’m feeling anger at her and then I feel guilty and sorry for her! Maybe it’s me that is the problem. Just wish she’d hug me and tell me I’m going to be okay. I don’t ask for much - that not hard from a parent is it?

I guess I’ll never have that though 😰.

I’m working on this in therapy but they’re away at the moment and I’m starting to think the therapy is not helping me. I’m in a loop of depression and feeling spacey. If that makes sense? Maybe not!

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Hellyaa · 14/05/2023 09:35

Your comments have helped me deal with some of my sadness today. As usual DH has acted as if everything is ok this morning despite his deafening silence and not involving himself with anything other than drinking. DM hasn’t rang yet this morning, usually I get a call asking about DC and whether they’ve had breakfast, slept well, etc.

It’s hard as I know they will never give me what I want, I seem to be a sucker for punishment with both of them.

My mood is still very down, I need to find a way to lift myself today. Sick of the mind games and my own part in this. I worry that my DC are affected by my actions, that they too will fall into relationships like this. I torture myself endlessly at the moment. It feels I can only write about it on here as it gets thwarted and discarded in RL.

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EarthSight · 14/05/2023 15:47

Talking therapy won't necessarily help you. Not only is it highly dependent on the therapist, but I really don't talking therapy is a one-size-fits-all thing. One can spiral into depressing emotions by analysing the same thing again and again. It's almost akin to unhealthy navel gazing, but that comparison is in no way designed to minimise your feelings, which are natural.

I think the pain comes from the fact that maybe you still haven't quite accepted who she is. You are still hoping to get that emotional satisfaction from her, and obviously the rejection hurts more when you don't get it.

If you want to continue with therapy, it sounds to me like you need someone who deals with grief. What you're going through is like the loss of a parent, but they're still alive. I'm sorry that you weren't given the proper emotional support from her :(

Hellyaa · 14/05/2023 16:59

@EarthSight your words are so accurate, it does feel like a grieving process and yes acceptance is hard as I’d realise I’d be on my own. I have no one who cares for me other than my DC.

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TheGander · 14/05/2023 17:18

Not wishing to derail but I read @Greyandrare123 ’s post and can’t read and run . Such a vivid depiction of a mother’s total taking for granted of her daughter, and lack of imagination, empathy and appreciation. It sounds like she’s living in a comfortable fantasy world and can’t manage to see things as they really are. I’m usually all for giving elderly relatives a chance and being tolerant of their foibles, but really wouldn’t blame you for going NC.

rainydayy · 14/05/2023 17:32

If you're dealing with/recovering from abuse from narcissistic parents check out Mary Toolans work. Amazing tools to help and heal xx sending love xx

Escapingafter50years · 15/05/2023 00:50

@rainydayy Thanks so much for that link, I have some great ones but found that really good, especially this page https://www.marytoolan.com/blog/how-the-scapegoat-is-gang-bullied-by-their-family

The end of the article hit really hard, I have a cousin who is experiencing the same as me in their family and am thinking hard about whether to send it on or not, it's very powerful.
"When the scapegoat is trauma bonded with the family, they are the lynchpin that keeps everything looking good on the surface. They take a hit for the team. They put on a smile at family events and return home to suffer in silence and shame.
When the scapegoat doesn’t play ball anymore, things get hairy and fall apart at the seams.
In summary, the main perpetrator rules like a dictator. They want power and control. Nobody is allowed think differently than them. They rule by fear. "
So true and so heartbreaking. How many of us have had our lives irrevocably damaged by these dreadful people?

@Hellyaa I expect it wasn't easy for you to start this thread but hope you see you are not alone. Sadly this behaviour is commonplace in too many families, and it is kept behind closed doors so it's hard to understand that it is wrong and that it happens too often. For me, I protected my "mother" for decades because of my special training. I wasn't able to point out the truth to other people as it was ingrained in me to collude in the projection of the perfect family, rather than the truth of the violent alcoholic father and his covert narcissist wife. I didn't even begin to understand how damaging my "mother" was until I was referred for counselling due to an unrelated event.

Of late I have started telling people the truth. I don't need to go into details, but I will use phrases like I am seeing a counsellor for lifelong narcissistic abuse. I might precede this by saying I won't go on about it but would like the friend I'm talking to to have an idea of what's happening in my life. I understand this might be awkward for some people to take on board, so I might say look let's just give this 2 minutes, 5 minutes whatever, I don't want our chat to be all about my difficulties (and indeed I have found it helpful to get a bit off my chest so to speak, but then move on to nice things to talk about). So that way I feel like I'm not putting pressure on my friend to listen to all my woes, or worse still to fix them. If someone were to give me blame back then I would feel it best to step back from having a relationship with them, certainly at this time. But I have been at a few social occasions where I have casually mentioned my situation, and people I have just met have actually opened up quite a lot about experiencing something similar which has been quite eye-opening for me.

So perhaps put your toe in the water when talking to friends, give them a little bit of information as to what you are going through, and see how they respond. It takes a while to find the friends you need in a situation like this, but it's worth persevering.

Your DM is not your "D"M, and you will not get support or validation from her, she is not capable of this. The way she brought you up, putting her needs above yours, is part of the reason you ended up with a waste of space husband who only cares about himself. You were not brought up to feel that you matter. What a terrible way to bring up a child. You did, and do, matter. You need to recognise that you are such an important person in your life and insist on being treated as such. It's hard, but you need to learn to love yourself, to give your children an example of how a caring human being treats their close ones. Having being brought up to put your needs last makes this very difficult, but it's the most important thing you can do. Understanding that you matter will help you act like you do, this in turn will help your children understand that you matter. Your husband is going in the complete opposite direction, and like your "mother" needs to be as far out of your life as you can get him.

You (and I) need to grieve the family we should have had as innocent children and in order to live a peaceful, productive life we need to move on from the things that affected us but weren't our fault. I wish I could give you a magic pill to get you (and me) there, but I can't. But I can tell you we deserve a peaceful life being respected as human beings.

How the Scapegoat is Gang Bullied by their Family

https://www.marytoolan.com/blog/how-the-scapegoat-is-gang-bullied-by-their-family

rainydayy · 15/05/2023 21:12

@Escapingafter50years sounds like you're doing some great work, wishing you well with your recovery. Stay strong ❤️‍🩹

Escapingafter50years · 16/05/2023 13:57

Thanks @rainydayy will be in therapy for some time yet, I feel like I have a long way to go but then look back and see how far I have come. Threads like Stately Homes, Insight - Exposing Narcissism podcasts, Videos from Dr Ramani, Instagram posts from understandingthenarc and patricktheahantherapy plus a number of books, have been of huge assistance. Yes it has taken a lot of time, but it's an investment in myself. Being validated and learning about the behaviours of disordered people has helped me understand that it's not me and the best thing I can do is protect myself by avoiding these people.

@Hellyaa I hope you're feeling a bit less down. It's sad to see so many people suffering the same way, but also comforting to know that you're not alone.

In Sight - Exposing Narcissism on Apple Podcasts

‎In Sight - Exposing Narcissism on Apple Podcasts

‎Education · 2023

https://podcasts.apple.com/ie/podcast/in-sight-exposing-narcissism/id1613030538

Hellyaa · 16/05/2023 19:42

It is sad indeed that we have mothers who don’t act like mothers. I’m sure with mine there is resentment and jealousy of how she perceives my life.

Reading all your experiences, I feel you all and understand what you’re going through. Sending you ❤️@Greyandrare123

Thank you very much for the links and thread suggestions. @Escapingafter50years and @rainydayy

Today and the last few days I have felt overwhelmed as her behaviour and husband’s behaviour has been atrocious. She actually sides with him rather than her own daughter😳. I’m just trying to heal and work through. The Insight podcast has been a helpful listen. I’ll read Mary T work too. Thank you for allowing to share on here.

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perfectcolourfound · 16/05/2023 20:18

Hi @Hellyaa I'm so sorry you have such a sh*t mother and appalling husband. You deserve better.

But they aren't going to change. They are who they are. It isn't you. It's them. The only way you can reduce their impact on you is to remove yourself from them.

With your mother, that may mean going NC with her. You don't owe her any loyalty, you don't get anything good from seeing her, in fact she dimishes you, pulls you down, bullies you, weakens you. Don't keep seeing her 'for the children'. She could end up damaging them as much as she's damaged you. Seeing her treating you as she does will damage them. Seeing her will continue to make you a shadow of your real self. That is not good for your children. What your children need to see is their mum, knowing her worth and standing up for herself. They will follow your lead when they are older. You want them to know their worth and not to stick around people who treat them badly, don't you?

With your husband, you can start taking steps towards divorce. Sorry if I've missed it, but have you taken some legal advice so you know where you stand? You don't have to do everything at once. You can take baby steps. But usy having a plan can make you feel heaps better and more positive and stronger.

You are a good person. You could have a good life away from these 2 toxic people who don't deserve to have you around. Every small step away from their negative, damging influence you will feel that bit stronger and more yourself. And the stronger you feel, the easier it will become to keep walking away from them.

You deserve better. Your children deserve to have their mum, resilient and strong and not run down by toxic people.

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