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Am i the problem?

23 replies

bluehatny · 07/05/2023 12:33

My husband and I (together 3 years with 1 young child) generally have a great relationship. We love each other a lot, we laugh, we both work hard and invest plenty of time into each other, our relationship, our home, and our child.

However, when we argue (probably once every 3 weeks or so) we argue big, and I'm wondering if the problem is me.

I find confrontation and conflict difficult, I was in an abusive relationship 6 years ago and it can happen that arguments bring feelings of panic and fight or flight to the surface for me. I am still working through what happened to me then and genuinely want to understand why I react and behave in certain ways, and rationalize how my past experiences influencer my present self.

My husband is a talker and wants to always discuss any conflict and disagreement in intricate detail. I find that in the heat of the moment, for me to do this successfully, I need to take a time out and sit with my thoughts and feelings for 30 mins so I can collect myself. This does not work for me and my husband then accuses me of stonewalling him and calls this behavior toxic and destructive , because he wants to discuss the situation immediately.

Last night we argued. I am 4 months PP and had a difficult pregnancy (debilitating PGP) so we have not had sex as much as usual (probably 4 times since baby was born, it is still painful and I feel my body isn't back to normal yet). He hates this, sex is a huge thing for him and he feels he needs it for us to connect emotionally. Whereas i need that emotional connection to feel sexual with him, and I believe he should be working harder on fostering it elsewhere in our lives given I've very recently had a baby.

He made a comment as I was tidying up the kitchen to go to bed, something like "guess we're not going to have sex then", and I snapped back, asking him not to be led with his penis and that not everything in our lives should be geared towards the goal of him getting his end away right now. It had been a long slog of a day and baby had hardly slept, I'd just got him to drop off and wanted to go to bed myself.

We went back and forth for a couple of minutes and I went upstairs to get a bit of space. He starts bombarding me with his points on WhatsApp, which ive asked him not to do, as that intrudes on my need to get my head clear. I responded a couple of times but we were getting nowhere so I turned my phone off. This meant he came upstairs and started talking to me, I was in bed and repeatedly asked him to leave the room so I could be alone (baby was in crib next to me) but he didn't even acknowledge that, just continued.

Not being heard like this is one of my greatest triggers (I was in a relationship with a narc who played the wildest mind tricks). Not being allowed the autonomy of my own space when I need it really makes me spiral, so I got more and more upset last night and started crying until I was almost hysterical, which woke the baby up and he started screaming too. I picked up baby to comfort her and DH continued to refuse to leave the room as "I don't trust you're safe to be with her right now".

I understand this is just one account of what was an awful situation, and his version of events would be different, but I guess what I'm wondering is if he is right that I am stonewalling him. To my mind, I NEED that space to get my thoughts together and calm myself so I can then have a measured and productive conversation. He feels that by the time I have calmed down there is too much distance from what happened and solutions are less relevant.

He came to bed last night and continued to try talking to me even though I was turned over and desperately trying to sleep. It feels that by doing all this my boundaries are being trampled all over which then leads to me feeling emotionally unheard and unsafe. I hate it and I worry that unless we begin communicating more effectively we won't be able to get past our disagreements.

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DustyLee123 · 07/05/2023 13:12

He sounds abusive. If I were you I’d invest in some talking therapy for you, to give you chance to have your say and get it out.

Mabelface · 07/05/2023 13:23

He is trampling all over you. You have another arsehole, my lovely, who refuses to see any view point but his own. I really don't get why men like this think that being snarky and horrible to you will make (the collective you) want to jump on them.

Nanny0gg · 07/05/2023 13:41

It's all about him...

4 months pp he's lucky you're letting him near you. But he's not giving one single thought about how you are, how you feel or what you want to do

Nanny0gg · 07/05/2023 13:42

Oh, on further reading, I'm sorry, he is absolutely abusive, He's playing mind games with you

bluehatny · 07/05/2023 13:44

@DustyLee123 thank-you, I've been hesitant to put this in motion as I'm on mat leave but you're right, this would be sensible

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PsychoHotSauce · 07/05/2023 13:46

Stonewalling is abusive, but that's not what this is. People are allowed space to gather their thoughts, clear their head etc. Bleating "stonewalling" because you wont immediately jump to communicating how they want is in fact abusive.

bluehatny · 07/05/2023 13:47

Mabelface · 07/05/2023 13:23

He is trampling all over you. You have another arsehole, my lovely, who refuses to see any view point but his own. I really don't get why men like this think that being snarky and horrible to you will make (the collective you) want to jump on them.

You're right, he is an absolute arsehole in these situations. Not to give the mumsnet cry of "he's an amazing husband!" but in all others he is generally very solid, he took such great care of me after the baby was born and is otherwise thoughtful and kind. He has huge issues with empathy though, and is unable to see past the end of his nose. Lots of food for thought here

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bluehatny · 07/05/2023 13:48

Nanny0gg · 07/05/2023 13:41

It's all about him...

4 months pp he's lucky you're letting him near you. But he's not giving one single thought about how you are, how you feel or what you want to do

Exactly this, and something I've said to him often. Many of the others in my mum group have not had sex yet so he's lucky with the intimacy we've shared since the birth

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JMSA · 07/05/2023 13:48

Absolutely nothing wrong with taking time after a disagreement to gather your thoughts. YANBU.
He would do my nut in.

bluehatny · 07/05/2023 13:49

PsychoHotSauce · 07/05/2023 13:46

Stonewalling is abusive, but that's not what this is. People are allowed space to gather their thoughts, clear their head etc. Bleating "stonewalling" because you wont immediately jump to communicating how they want is in fact abusive.

Perfect - this validates what I've been feeling, thank-you

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bluehatny · 07/05/2023 13:49

JMSA · 07/05/2023 13:48

Absolutely nothing wrong with taking time after a disagreement to gather your thoughts. YANBU.
He would do my nut in.

He is 😂😂

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Eggseggseverywhere · 07/05/2023 13:53

Op ime please don't feel ashamed or even embarrassed to speak out that unfortunately you have landed in another abusive relationship.. It is quite common apparently.. Took me longer to get out of the second abusive marriage..
Take your precious baby and seek a safe space.

ily0xx · 07/05/2023 13:56

My husband is a talker and wants to always discuss any conflict and disagreement in intricate detail

This is just bizarre. He sounds very dysfunctional. I wouldn’t want to be around him.

ily0xx · 07/05/2023 13:58

Eggseggseverywhere · 07/05/2023 13:53

Op ime please don't feel ashamed or even embarrassed to speak out that unfortunately you have landed in another abusive relationship.. It is quite common apparently.. Took me longer to get out of the second abusive marriage..
Take your precious baby and seek a safe space.

Am I the only one who finds it insane just how many people are abusive? I feel like it must be atleast 1 in 4 people as me and almost everyone I know has at some point lived with someone abusive.

Watchkeys · 07/05/2023 14:57

Your thread title says it all. Your willingness to blame yourself explains why you keep having abusive relationships. He treats you poorly, you blame (or are open to blaming) yourself.

Stop looking at right or wrong. Start looking at how you feel. When he does these things, does it make you feel more or less like you relate to each other? If it's 'less', and I hope it is, then these conversations and behaviours are making your relationship less healthy. He is not interested in making your relationship more healthy, so why's he trying to talk? Is he trying to convince you of his rightness (and therefore your wrongness)?

bluehatny · 07/05/2023 15:50

Watchkeys · 07/05/2023 14:57

Your thread title says it all. Your willingness to blame yourself explains why you keep having abusive relationships. He treats you poorly, you blame (or are open to blaming) yourself.

Stop looking at right or wrong. Start looking at how you feel. When he does these things, does it make you feel more or less like you relate to each other? If it's 'less', and I hope it is, then these conversations and behaviours are making your relationship less healthy. He is not interested in making your relationship more healthy, so why's he trying to talk? Is he trying to convince you of his rightness (and therefore your wrongness)?

This is a really really useful perspective - thank you

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bluehatny · 07/05/2023 15:55

He come home this afternoon after spending a few hours out while we both calmed down, and I explained in (what I thought was) very simple non-contentious and factual terms my perspective on what happened yesterday, and what needs to change if we have any hope in hell of making this work. It got heated and escalated again, so I asked for him to leave for a couple of days so I can get some actual distance.

I'm long in the tooth enough (I'm nearly 40) to know I don't want to bring up my child watching my boundaries being walked all over (DH is 5 years younger which I think contributes to his emotional immaturity and behaviors).

Lots of thinking to be done.

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bluehatny · 07/05/2023 15:55
  • he CAME home this afternoon
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Pinkdelight3 · 07/05/2023 16:22

He made a comment as I was tidying up the kitchen to go to bed, something like "guess we're not going to have sex then", and I snapped back, asking him not to be led with his penis and that not everything in our lives should be geared towards the goal of him getting his end away right now. It had been a long slog of a day and baby had hardly slept, I'd just got him to drop off and wanted to go to bed myself.

You are not the problem. And at mid-30s, he's as mature as he'll ever be. He can be an arsehole indefinitely.

Pinkdelight3 · 07/05/2023 16:25

Arguing every 3 weeks isn't good though, especially arguing "big". If this relationship is sustainable (and afraid it may not be), you need some way through this so it doesn't keep happening and set your DC up to think it's normal to be arguing so much. Easier said than done though.

piedbeauty · 07/05/2023 16:36

Mabelface · 07/05/2023 13:23

He is trampling all over you. You have another arsehole, my lovely, who refuses to see any view point but his own. I really don't get why men like this think that being snarky and horrible to you will make (the collective you) want to jump on them.

This.

FictionalCharacter · 07/05/2023 16:38

No, you’re not the problem and he’s definitely abusive. Him following you around trying to make you listen to him telling you how wrong you are would surely send anyone round the bend. Messaging you on WhatsApp telling you how right he is while you’re both in the house is ridiculous. Badgering you for sex when you’re not fully healed and it’s painful is 100% abusive and likely to kill your sexual attraction to him permanently. But I’m sure he’d say that’s your fault, because in his eyes everything is.

piedbeauty · 07/05/2023 16:38

You have a big argument every three weeks? This is not normal in any way, and not a 'good' relationship.

Your h is being abusive. You are allowed time to think after an argument. His hassling and harassing you does not help at all and is abusive. He doesn't seem to be able to/want to listen to you, does he?

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