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My mother - is it me?

11 replies

Sapphire387 · 24/04/2023 17:46

Hi all,

I have posted about my mother before but I think it was in AIBU.

I don't like my mum much, and I feel like the most terrible daughter for saying it.

I will start out by saying my mum has been supportive over the last few years when I was widowed and while I was a single parent (now remarried)... in terms of helping to look after the kids (my DS was 4 when his dad died and my DD was 2). I am extremely grateful for the support from herself and also my dad and sister, and it makes my feelings now all the harder.

With my mum, I feel like it has come at a price.

For my entire life, I feel like my mum has been mostly concerned about 'how things look' and has pushed me to 'achieve'. I think this came from her own difficult childhood and wanting better for me and my sister, but I have always felt under pressure.

She has always been negative about the romantic relationships I have formed, including my late DH, who she disliked and would not allow in the house for years, as he was just over a decade older than me and she disapproves of age gap relationships. She now talks about him like he is a saint, though.

She wouldn't have another former partner in the house as she thought he would steal my sister's pocket money (we were quite young and my sister is younger). No idea why - he is a perfectly nice and normal guy. Again, she now reminisces about this partner in golden terms.

She has lately started in on my current DH, and I feel like it's a pattern.

I can't see what any of these men have done to warrant this. It seems to ramp up when I form relationships and I think she somehow feels pushed out. For example, a few days ago, she disagreed with DH over a minor issue (it wasn't an argument or anything), I agreed with him and she accused me of 'defending loverboy'.

Some other examples I can think of include:

Telling me I should wear a fake wedding ring as I wasn't married during my first pregnancy and people would talk.

Telling me I shouldn't take painkillers after giving birth as they would affect my breastfeeding- despite being prescribed through the maternity ward. I was in a lot of back pain for a couple of weeks following an epidural/ventouse. She only stopped when her friend who is a nurse basically told her to shut up.

Asked me if my DH really wanted a baby or if I had pressured him (I am pregnant). No idea where she got this from.

Tells me constantly what furniture to buy and how to arrange my house (that was my post in AIBU... about how she went on and on telling me I should buy a different sofa).

Makes personal comments about looks.

Constantly comments on how 'difficult' it will be now we're having another baby.

Tells me what to say in phone conversations and how to write letters.

Told me my DH was scrounging off me when we agreed mutually that he would take some time out to retrain... we were fortunate enough to be able to afford this.

Calls me a bad daughter, says she will have to rely on my sister as I am cruel and will never look after her in her old age. Btw, my sister feels similarly to how I do.

Went on and on about how my late first DH probably died of a brain tumour because of unresolved childhood trauma. This is obviously claptrap, medically.

Always has a friend who is an expert on any particular topic.

Seems to think in black and white i.e. experienced something once, or had a friend who did, and thinks all similar situations are the same.

Does not seem to think anyone is capable of doing anything without her involved, e.g. Will constantly check if me and my sister are communicating, if I have texted my dad, etc. We are all competent adults.

Tells me I am 'abusive' and 'intimidating her' whenever I ask her to stop interfering.

Says 'I'm entitled to my opinion', 'I'm your mother, all mothers do this', 'I only care about you', 'I'm not allowed to say anything anymore', 'I have to walk on eggshells around you', 'this is just my personality' whenever asked to stop.

I realise some of the things above seem quite minor and maybe a bit silly when taken in isolation, but it's a pattern and sometimes the straw breaks the camel's back. I am probably missing loads - she says things so often that I am accustomed to it.

Every time I try to raise it with her, she tells me I am the problem and why am I so resistant to listening to her? I feel like I am going mad sometimes. I am 37 years old.

I feel really bad complaining about her when I know some parents are actually abusive and she doesn't seem so bad in comparison. But it just feels like she cannot hear me and will never change, and she always has to know best.

I also feel a bit like a silly teenager, complaining. I just wish our relationship was different. I feel that she treats me like a child. It makes me so sad.

Can anyone relate?

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RandomMess · 24/04/2023 17:51

She's truly awful and toxic.

After your 1st DH died she loved that she could rescue you and that you needed her. Now you don't she's ramping up the toxicity.

Honestly run, go very low contact before she starts doing the same to your DC.

AgrathaChristie · 24/04/2023 19:14

How often do you have to see or speak to her? Does she live alone or with your DF?
I’d cut contact to the bare minimum and if possible meet her on neutral ground. That way you can limit the time with her even more.

UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername · 24/04/2023 19:46

Cut contact as much as you can. What is she adding to your life, really?

Sapphire387 · 24/04/2023 20:12

AgrathaChristie · 24/04/2023 19:14

How often do you have to see or speak to her? Does she live alone or with your DF?
I’d cut contact to the bare minimum and if possible meet her on neutral ground. That way you can limit the time with her even more.

She lives locally, about ten minutes away, with my dad.

I'm currently avoiding her as much as possible since the 'loverboy' episode. I haven't seen her since.

DH says he will see her if I want but he feels really awkward about it. I don't especially want to see her much myself.

It's sad isn't it - I think we all like to think our mothers want the best for us. And I think my mother does - just it's what SHE thinks is best.

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WhatInFreshHell · 24/04/2023 21:03

Is your Mum my Mum too? I could have written the exact same post!

Sapphire387 · 24/04/2023 21:50

WhatInFreshHell · 24/04/2023 21:03

Is your Mum my Mum too? I could have written the exact same post!

Possibly... if you live in London and your name begins with C (hey sis!).

Otherwise not, but I am sorry to hear you are experiencing this too, it's so hard.

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ItsCalledAConversation · 24/04/2023 22:06

My mum has aspects of this behaviour. Though not all - you have it bad and I’m sorry, it is so hard. Not only having the shitty treatment from your own mum, but feeling sad for the good, strong bond you should have.

It boils down to emotional immaturity on her part. It’s all about power, control. She treats you like a teenager and flouts all your personal boundaries- talking about your deceased partner, ffs - and you, I’m afraid, are falling straight into the trap. She’s not treating you like an adult and kindly, you’re not quite acting like one yet.

The response that works (ish) for me is to maintain iron clad boundaries. So stop sharing anything remotely emotional. Never confide. Never share an uncertainty or a doubt. Set your boundaries and never lose them.

Whenever she says something rotten, wrong, hurtful or otherwise, that’s the time to show where your boundaries are, and basically head her off, say something brightly like, “right then, we don’t all have to agree do we” or “well, some people think that way” snd change the subject. Don’t confront her or argue. Never get upset. That’s what she wants so don’t give it to her. Repeat ad infinitum. She might get the message.

I agree with PPs who have suggested reducing contact and meeting on neutral turf. You don’t have to do this forever, just as long as it takes until you have established that you’re in fact an adult with firm boundaries, not the surly teenager she treats you like (and you become, under her treatment).

Sapphire387 · 25/04/2023 00:14

ItsCalledAConversation · 24/04/2023 22:06

My mum has aspects of this behaviour. Though not all - you have it bad and I’m sorry, it is so hard. Not only having the shitty treatment from your own mum, but feeling sad for the good, strong bond you should have.

It boils down to emotional immaturity on her part. It’s all about power, control. She treats you like a teenager and flouts all your personal boundaries- talking about your deceased partner, ffs - and you, I’m afraid, are falling straight into the trap. She’s not treating you like an adult and kindly, you’re not quite acting like one yet.

The response that works (ish) for me is to maintain iron clad boundaries. So stop sharing anything remotely emotional. Never confide. Never share an uncertainty or a doubt. Set your boundaries and never lose them.

Whenever she says something rotten, wrong, hurtful or otherwise, that’s the time to show where your boundaries are, and basically head her off, say something brightly like, “right then, we don’t all have to agree do we” or “well, some people think that way” snd change the subject. Don’t confront her or argue. Never get upset. That’s what she wants so don’t give it to her. Repeat ad infinitum. She might get the message.

I agree with PPs who have suggested reducing contact and meeting on neutral turf. You don’t have to do this forever, just as long as it takes until you have established that you’re in fact an adult with firm boundaries, not the surly teenager she treats you like (and you become, under her treatment).

Thank you, you have articulated so clearly what I have been fumbling my way towards.

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RememberNancyDrew · 25/04/2023 00:21

It's not normal. There is a whole genre of books about toxic mother-daughter relationships.

In my family there is generational mother on daughter abuse going back 4 generations. Good mothers want what is best for their daughters and then there are Mothers who want what is best for themselves via their daughters.

Thequeenofwishfulthinking · 25/04/2023 00:33

I’m sorry to hear what you are going through. Unfortunately your mum sounds like a narcissist. Some are worst than others but she’s definitely got traits. Have a look online at articles about narcissistic mothers and their daughters. I’ve had personal experience of what you’re going through. It’s confusing and hurtful. Do you have low self esteem by any chance? One of my parents had many narcissistic traits and our relationship is better than ever after I’ve imposed firm boundaries and reduce contact during ‘flare ups.’ They are aware I wont tolerate their controlling behaviour and ultimatums so have to back off to maintain our relationship. Try not to take any ridiculous comments too seriously and don’t react. Narcs seem to like conflict and drama.

Deathraystare · 25/04/2023 09:41

From what you said, your sister feels the same way so she is getting the same/similar shit! So you know it is not down to you!

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