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I think this is it...

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despondentatwork · 21/04/2023 12:53

Please help me gain perspective. My head is all over the place. I feel like my marriage is emotionally over.
DH & I have had issues. Ongoing..I break down, discuss, he promises change, give in to keep the peace within the household, back to square one. In a nutshell, I feel he refuses to participate in family life. Runs his own business, has always travelled-very often changing plans at the very last minute. Is vague about where he's going, I've given up trying to keep track of it. He's unreliable due to all of this last minute type coming and going. We have 5 children, 2 with possible ASD. I have a professional career. BF all 5, worked around them using as little childcare as possible. Eldest now 18, youngest is 10. Have always organised all hobbies, meals, shopping, school, social events, pets care and insurance/vets. I am central to absolutely everything that happens daily physically, mentally and emotionally and he only wants to know and be involved in the bare minimum. Have really stopped having any semblance of hobbies/social life as the unpredictability of his work and hobbies (connected-conveniently enough with increasingly blurred lines) meant last minute let-downs for my friends/work and I hate appearing flakey so I just stopped planning. He will do odd drop offs and pick ups, but all communication and direction comes through me. I participate in approx 20 WhatsApp groups for the kids. He is a member of none. I feel like he exists in this home, expects affection and regular sex, but doesn't offer anything. Says he loves me, and that I'm cold and resents me for lack of physical affection (I've never been a hugger). Says he loves me regularly. The physical side of our relationship has died off recently as I resent hm too much, and don't even like him most of the time.
Finances always separate, despite my pleas and plans for joined-up processes. I love planning, clarity and organisation. eg- I have no idea of monthly bills as he took these on, can't find the paperwork when I ask. Insurances lapse/MOTs lapse, and these are the kind of things 'd be very much on top of but he won't commit to involving me in the paperwork. He gets angry when I try to sort it out, and it never gets sorted. Our finances are a mess, but he won't sit down with me and work out a long term plan to sort it all out. Part of the reason for this mess is that he took advice from a close relative on borrowing money (which I didn't want to do, but went along with as I didn't feel I had any choice at the time). Now we owe it back. He states he has to work 24/7 to get the money earned to pay it back. (He avoids family life by claiming he has to work...) yet I feel that he's very extravagant. eg 2 new high end vehicles bought in the past year (for the business but his use). Regularly showers the kids and me with expensive things/food...then claims he can't sleep at night due to the financial worries he has. Won't entertain the fact that we could be saving so much more by being more organised with home finances.
I'm the one who does all the thinking behind the running of the household and the daily chores, kids' appointments/school, their jobs/hobbies and have tried to get him to join in and play a part. I do all the communication with his family-he doesn't answer so over the years they have just started to communicate with me. I like them on the whole, they love our children and I tolerate the effort for the sake of the children and the wider family relationships. I loved his parents and was very involved with their elderly years and end of life care.
I started a new job in Sept. Working at a very high level within my profession. A lot of responsibility and stress-but I love it. The hours have increased to almost FT and I'm also taking University and professional exams to complete the training programme. I knew it would require support, I knew it would be tough. He was aware of all of this.
I've had a lot of emotional trauma and a family bereavement since it started within my immediate family and also discovered I'm post-menopausal (at 45). There have been issues that only I could sort-my parents have needed physical and emotional support as have my siblings (I'm the eldest). I've helped one of our children though formal exam processes-which involved hours of work at home. I've sorted all birthday, Christmas, Easter events for all of us and my dad's 80th and hosted his family staying here when they decided to visit (at an inconvenient time for me WRT exams/assignments). All my academic work done over my AL-just can't fit in at weekends due to kids' hobbies. I am exhausted, mentally and emotionally, and I feel that I have received absolutely no support from him. My day starts earlier and ends later so I can fit in all the necessaries. Every single daily necessary task is planned, and initiated by me-right down to feeding the animals twice daily. If I don't prompt it, it's not done. But it's insinuated that I'ma grumpy nag. And I am I'm permanently angry with him. He empties the dishwasher daily and takes the kids to school 3 days a week, and does a few nursery collections, but delegates to our two eldest kids whatever he can. He works very hard, but controls his own time, and does not even see the slack to pick it up if I drop a ball.
I broke down again two weeks ago-just before his sister arrived to stay for 2 weeks. After I cleaned the house, sorted her room, bought new bedding. I listed the issues I have, why I feel it's so unfair and how I feel things need to change. He promised to try, and immediately tried to instigate our physical relationship again-I told him this is a process and will happen naturally if I start to feel less angry and resentful. Cue a huff and name calling.
One of his regular yearly events pre Covid was travelling internationally for 1-2 weeks to participate in a research group. This is one of the grey work/hobby areas. I've always resented it, but it happened anyway. He mentioned a trip a few months ago, but it clashed with his sister staying here for the first time in a few years, my exams, our kids' exams. I said I didn't want him to go. It was dropped -or so I thought.
But: he has brought it up twice now in front of his sister, asking my 'permission' to go. In a few days' time. I said no. States he's 'needed' and has to go. I said no. I found out that he's complained to our eldest girl about me 'not allowing him to go'. Last night he told me (again in front of our eldest and his sister) that's he's going, but for less time than he initially said. It's paid work, and he needs to go. I didn't respond.
I'm so angry, upset and bereft. I feel that by saying it in front of his sister he's humiliating me and manipulating my responses. I also feel that he doesn't see me at all, hasn't heard a word of what I've said. He lives in his own universe and feels no responsibility for mine or the Childrens' emotional well-being. Work and his pleasure are all he sees. I want to walk away and never look back.

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pikkumyy77 · 21/04/2023 12:58

Just want to give you a big hug. Take a deep breath and really explore the option of divorce. See if you will be in a better or worse position.

Ragruggers · 21/04/2023 13:01

You have reached the end now you need to plan the next step of leaving.Your life cannot continue like this as you know.I wish you strength and good luck.You must do this however hard.

mummymeister · 21/04/2023 13:05

this is one of those and, and, and, and posts with so much detail about how poor your relationship is its pretty obvious to anyone reading that your marriage is over. i am concerned about the secrecy of finances. you need to get on top of this asap.

Randobelia · 21/04/2023 13:06

He brings nothing to your life, not even money it seems? Debts?

I'd leave.

Closetbeanmuncher · 21/04/2023 13:10

He promised to try, and immediately tried to instigate our physical relationship again

WOW!! 😦

I also feel that he doesn't see me at all, hasn't heard a word of what I've said. He lives in his own universe and feels no responsibility for mine or the Childrens' emotional well-being

From what you’ve said this certainly seems to be the case. Extremely tone deaf and thoroughly selfish. I agree that the thing with his sister was also an attempt to shame you, and manipulate your response.

I completely understand your desire to plan and organise, as I myself am this type of person. Life just runs so much smoother, and it eliminates unnecessary stress.

Whatever you do please don’t give up, (or let his incompetence ruin) your career - no doubt you’ve busted your guts to get to where you are. In honesty I would find it pretty impossible to deal with someone so financially feckless.

Would you consider marriage counselling as a last ditch resort, or have you reached the point of being “done”?

TeeBee · 21/04/2023 13:12

Oh just get rid. He's one of life's takers. You'll get a break when he has to have his own children every other weekend. I had one like this; my stress left overnight the day he moved out. Selfish twat.

perfectcolourfound · 21/04/2023 13:14

In a summary, if I've understood correctly, you make ALL of the effort as far as parenting and keeping your house in order, life admin etc. He does what he likes, spends what he likes, has down time and hobbies. You have none. He won't treat you as his financial equal. He expects affection and sex on tap.

In resposne, he throws as 'I love you' at your regularly.

You deserve so much better.

Iwas · 21/04/2023 13:18

An awful lot of self centred manipulation going on from him here. You are getting nothing from this marriage, apart from grief and worry.

It's hard to accept that you are done, I totally get that. A counsellor, just for you, would be invaluable, if you can find the time. But, in my experience, when the penny drops that you are done, it is very hard to unsee it.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 21/04/2023 13:19

TeeBee · 21/04/2023 13:12

Oh just get rid. He's one of life's takers. You'll get a break when he has to have his own children every other weekend. I had one like this; my stress left overnight the day he moved out. Selfish twat.

I see this a lot, but beware. Many many men are awarded EOW and just don't bother to take it. In the case of my ex, he had to 'work', and this guy sounds as though he might use the same excuse.
Divorce doesn't guarantee you that lovely child-free EOW. However, it does guarantee that you have one less person to worry about, and are in control of your own life a lot more.

TeeBee · 21/04/2023 13:23

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 21/04/2023 13:19

I see this a lot, but beware. Many many men are awarded EOW and just don't bother to take it. In the case of my ex, he had to 'work', and this guy sounds as though he might use the same excuse.
Divorce doesn't guarantee you that lovely child-free EOW. However, it does guarantee that you have one less person to worry about, and are in control of your own life a lot more.

Yes, I agree. My ex started by doing 50/50 then my children realised what a selfish twat he is and rarely wanted to go more than once a week from around age 15. They don't stay over at all now. However, life is far, far less stressful when you only have the kids to look out for, and not a man baby who drains your energy.

Englebertstrousers · 21/04/2023 18:04

This was my marriage, for years. I finally left him several years ago convinced he’d sink without me…guess what? He’s fine! This type of man is PERFECTLY capable of pulling his weight and being a real partner…they CHOOSE not to.

I will never regret leaving. Yes my life is financially much harder. Realistically I live hand to mouth. But not living with the constant resentment, not having to feel constantly like I am not loved or appreciated, not having to constantly renew my faith that things might change in order to stay, just to end up disappointed yet again, not having to feel like his mother/a nagging old shrew…thats better than a million in my bank account.

Theluggagerules · 22/04/2023 06:06

Although your life will still be tricky getting everything done, it seems easier because you don't have to manage them as well. Honestly these people won't change for you, so you start making decisions just for you and your children

Peapodburgundybouquet · 22/04/2023 08:14

He is not a good man. He is the epitome of selfish.

DustyLee123 · 22/04/2023 08:17

End it. Take control of your life.

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