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When to leave or stay to try harder?

6 replies

C4SKI · 02/04/2023 07:38

I’ll try to keep this brief and to the point but I’m looking for advice from anyone who has been in this situation and next steps taken.

We’ve been together for about 7 years (with young children) and in the majority of that time partner has been emotionally/verbally/financially abusive to varying degrees. We’ve had unsuccessful couples therapy in the past - he knew the right things to say during sessions but openly mocked the process afterwards. Things came to a head around 6 months ago when he was drinking nightly and his mood was at its worst, he agreed to get anger management counselling. This counselling has not happened and things are starting to slip on occasion although his efforts have been 85% better in that the anger issues appear to be under control so he probably feels he doesn’t need it, although there are underlying issues I feel need addressing that only therapy can do. He is pretty incredible around the house, probably does more than me in that sense, is great with kids and even mental load etc, so I feel I can’t complain on those more common gaps that I see so often.

The issues are that when all the anger and abusive is lifted, all that’s left is a purely functional relationship. We work well as a co-parenting team, the house runs smoothly, things are efficient, and perhaps I take that for granted (?!) which is why I’m worried I’m just feeling too entitled maybe? We have had separate bedrooms for 4 years, we’re like flatmates with no desire to be intimate from my side. I know this stems from the fact he has been so verbally abusive in the past and to be honest still doesn’t really talk to me like he even likes me, it’s like he tolerates me. And I don’t have anything in the emotional tank to even WANT to try to get closer to him as he is so cold and disinterested in who I am as a person. I realise he’s had to take the financial burden of the family whilst we raised our babies but I feel like we are two people just existing for the children and the mortgage and if finances weren’t and issue we wouldn’t be together. I have tried to initiate a break before but he says he doesn’t want me to compromise him financially, so it’s like he only cares about his credit (he would t have got a mortgage without me due to his past issues). Our mortgage is due for renewal and I honestly feel like refusing to sign and instead insist we sell.

Surely we all deserve to feel loved and emotionally safe within our homes? I feel like a shell of a woman and just feel that if it were me and my babies I could be more at peace and do things without walking on eggshells or feeling like I’m going to be critiqued or made to feel bad for every decision I make. Or am I expecting too much and it’s actually me being the problem by disassociating and not actively trying to rebuild the relationship when he has “stepped up” in many senses? I know the grass isn’t always greener and things will be a lot harder alone starting from scratch, plus I suffer with anxiety and depression which can make it hard to make decisions so I feel like I need grounding and realistic perspectives. Thanks for reading, would love to hear from those who have come out the other side whatever the result?

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OhMerde · 02/04/2023 07:47

No you're absolutely not entitled. It sounds intolerable. It took me a while to leave my abusive relationship, as I thought I could keep trying harder and make it all ok but this is just fantasy thinking. I'm now 3 months out and it's really tough but I'm proud of myself for finally making the break and my self respect is coming back. Never lose yourself by believing if you just do x or y you can change an abusive man. You can't.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/04/2023 08:49

"The issues are that when all the anger and abusive is lifted, all that’s left is a purely functional relationship"

No, its the calm before the storm again with underlying currents of resentment from him. His abuse of you and in turn your kids is never far away. This has never been a functional relationship because of the abuse he metes out to you and in turn your kids who are seeing all this at first hand too. What he shows you then is he supposedly being "nice" but this is all a part of the nice/nasty cycle of abuse which is a continuous one. He targeted you deliberately and your boundaries here, perhaps already skewed by past poor relationship experiences, are being further eroded away by him now. HE is most likely the primary cause of your anxiety and depression now and you may well find that once he is out of your day to day lives you will feel a lot better.

What did you learn about relationships yourself when you were growing up, what example did your parents show you?.

The only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is none.
Your own recovery from his abuses of you has not started yet and will not till you get him out of your day to day life.

Anger management courses of no use or benefit when it comes to domestic violence which is what you are really describing here. He has a problem with anger, YOUR anger, when you have called him out on his behaviour. If he can and does control himself around other people (and my guess is that he is all sweetness and light to all those in the outside world, he does not treat his work colleagues like this does he?) then he does not have anger management issues.

I am also not at all surprised joint counselling never worked either; it is never recommended when there is abuse of any type within the relationship and this person should have refused to see you both in the same room. He likely also tried to manipulate the counsellor into taking his side. You were never safe enough emotionally to undergo joint counselling with him.

I would put the house up for sale and get your abuser out of your day to day lives. No obstacle to leaving is ultimately insurmountable and you certainly cannot use the finances or kids as any sort of reason for you and he to be together now. He is not going to make it straight forward for you to leave because he likes having you around to abuse but the fact is you and he should not be together now. Your relationship with him is well and truly over because of his abusive behaviours towards you and in turn your kids; they have heard and seen more than enough already. In years to come would you be advising your now adult children to remain in such an abusive relationship purely because of the finances and or kids?. I would hope not.

You have a choice re this man and your children do not; you can
go onto teaching them more life affirming positive lessons about relationships than the ones they have seen to date.

If you are in the UK I would urge you to contact Womens Aid and the Rights of Women organisations; they can help you plan your exit from this with due care and attention. Your safety here is of paramount urgency and importance.

Clymene · 02/04/2023 08:57

We’ve been together for about 7 years (with young children) and in the majority of that time partner has been emotionally/verbally/financially abusive to varying degrees.

You cannot try harder with an abusive man. You can't do counselling with them either - as you saw when you tried. You really have given this your very best shot but now you're flogging a dead horse. Mortgage coming up for renewal is the perfect juncture to end this sham of a marriage.

ChristmasFluff · 02/04/2023 14:06

Wherever there is abuse, the relationship is unsalvagable. As you have found, abusers don't take part in saving relationships. You are doing it on your own, and you can't save a sinking ship if only one person is bailing, whilst the other is putting more holes in the hull.

Leopardlives · 02/04/2023 14:10

I was in this kind of marriage and trust me you will never fix it. Say it’s over, and hire a solicitor. It really is that simple! He’ll be a hell of a bastard in the break up, brace for that.

category12 · 02/04/2023 14:12

No, don't renew the mortgage, don't "try harder" - this is a great opportunity to get out of this relationship.

You'll probably find your issues with depression and anxiety improve greatly away from a marriage to this man.

Neither of you are happy, and he's awful to you, so do everybody a favour and split up.

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