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Reactive Abuse

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Saltybath · 30/03/2023 17:40

I thought I was abusive for years.
I remember just drowning when the children were babies. Very little sleep, very little time, very little me. If I complained to my husband at the time, he would sulk at me. He never helped unless I asked him to. He lived a very independent lifestyle and I was isolated at home with no energy. I was also poorly at the time with undiagnosed underactive thyroid only I wasn't aware of it at the time but it explains my struggles. He would just compare me to other women who were coping better than me and tell me to get out more, but I was too exhausted.

I remember just shouting at him a lot. Through complete despair.
I wasn't allowed to be ill because it would be an inconvenience for him. If the children were ill he would sigh and roll his eyes at me as if I was making it up. He would label me a hypochondriac until we discovered that our child had an underlying medical condition which was making her poorly too.

He never hit me and rarely shouted at me but it was hell on earth. I remember just being desperate for support. I'd moved to his hometown so my family were hundreds of miles away and could not support me. His parents told me I needed to let my hair down when I complained to them. He was always giving me the silent treatment even when I was trying my best. I would reach out for connection from him but feel funny about it afterwards, because really, deep down, he was hurting me.

We had no relationship either. I was invisible. He would just watch his box sets if he wasn't out doing his hobby or with friends, he didn't seem to value time spent with me at all. If I made an effort, he would seemingly pull away even more. It felt like a game.

My biological Dad was verbally abusive when I was growing up, but looking back, the pain doesn't compare to what my husband has put me through.

I got so desperate when I was unknowingly ill, that I would hurl objects at him as he would gaslight me whenever I shared my point of view on our life at home together. Then he would tell me I was mental. I would cry and he would walk away.

He would do loud DIY jobs in the evenings when I was trying to sleep and the children were sleeping, he would make more mess whenever he did help out- if he cut the lawn, he would strim the hedges and leave all of the ends all over the place so that the garden looked worse than before. He would wash clothes but not put them away. He didn't seem to care. And would say I was never satisfied even when he helped. He never complemented me and when he did- he did it in a robotic way, because I'd asked him to pay me.more compliments.

One day, I hit him because he refused to stop knocking and hammering when I was trying to sleep after a week of rough nights with the baby.

We went to relationship counselling and she said that he was seemingly incapable of empathy. She told him, infront of me that I was exhausted by the relationship and that I needed some space from him. He gave me the space and then he left.

I never intentionally wanted to hurt him, I never intentionally set out to antagonise him or manipulate him. I was just trying to survive. I realise now that he was using me to express his own suppressed anger and jealousy through his antagonism. I know this, because my outbursts were always followed by a weird relief from him. He tells me he left me because I was abusive, but I was just a mum trying to survive with no support and no love around me.

I just wanted to throw this out there.
Since speaking out about this, more women have told me they've gone through a similar thing. The antagonism is the abuse, not our survival instincts.

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OrlandointheWilderness · 30/03/2023 17:57

You shouted, threw things and hit him. Of course that's abuse. The fact that you were abused as well does not excuse that. Two wrongs don't make a right, no matter how bad you feel.

Saltybath · 30/03/2023 18:00

And to add, I've felt perfectly calm since he left me 18 months ago. Ironically, life is much easier on my own. The children are also calmer.

I already know the sort of responses I might get here, but I wanted to reach out anyway. Because some women out there will be experiencing the same level of covert abuse and will have reacted. This is what the abuser wants and they will coerce you until you do react.

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MarieRoseMarie · 30/03/2023 18:02

This is tricky. On one hand reactive abuse is real and this sounds reactive. On the other hand there is a lot of minimising and excuse making in your post and it makes me uneasy.

MarieRoseMarie · 30/03/2023 18:05

Let’s just say that once you are hitting another person, rather than quibble about whether they “deserve” it, just end the relationship.

If they won’t let you leave, fine. But if you can leave, staying in a relationship to hit someone is probably not defensible.

roseopose · 30/03/2023 18:08

This sounds like my relationship. I feel like he tortures me by refusing to meet my needs, or even consider them. He also views me as 'always ill' because it is inconvenient to him if I'm too unwell to function like I usually do and because he doesn't care about me. Conversation is one way and stilted. He prefers his hobbies and is happy with a very surface level relationship with me. I do have sympathy for you as I have reacted like you to him through sheer frustration and pain that he refuses to consider me. But I also think we have a responsibility to get ourselves out of relationships that cause us to act like this.

Saltybath · 30/03/2023 18:20

I agree about the responsibility to get out as soon as is possible @roseopose . I hate to wait to find a new job and become financially stable independently for that to happen. I'm independent of him now thank goodness aside from the CMA he pays me.

I worry for our children though as he has already started antagonising our eldest child who often comes home from his house upset and angry. This doesn't happen when they're with me.

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SeulementUneFois · 30/03/2023 18:32

Were your children ever witnesses to your arguments (and more...)?

goldenotter · 30/03/2023 22:36

OP this happened to me and one day in desperation I threw a glass of fruit juice over him. I'd not slept in weeks, he'd not lifted a finger and he also gaslit me when I implored him for help. He ran a complicated web of lies about ridiculous things, didn't provide any money, wouldn't look for a job, ate my food, broke my stuff, refused to be in the same room as me, and didn't give two hoots about me. Not once did he inconvenience himself to get up early with the baby or get up in the night. Not one tiny thing did he do to make our lives easier, not one bit of DIY or one bag of shopping. I don't blame you for hitting him once when you were desperate. Compared to what he did to you it's a drop in the ocean. I don't condone it but I understand the sheer desperation of someone without support with a young child to look after in desperate need of any help not to mention the emotional support they should provide. So please don't work yourself up feeling guilty about it. That's not the person you are now.

MarieRoseMarie · 31/03/2023 07:52

She didn’t actually confirm she only hit him once.

ThePredictableScript · 31/03/2023 14:29

Yes I've been there when I was much younger.. he would lie and cheat and I would blow up. I thought I was horrible but he was making me like that. I learnt to master my emotions and that drove him mad, he had nothing on me so to speak and it felt great to have the spotlight on him ane him alone. We separated 4 months ago and I'll neveret anyone crazy make me again. We finally have peace now op and education about it

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