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He left me for his mother

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Chalkandchina · 20/03/2023 13:37

My partner of 10 years recently left myself and my children after siding with his family of origin.
His mother is a narcissist for definite and I've had to endure many years of odd behaviour from her- from borderline harassment when we first started dating and after our first child was born and her snooping into mine and my family's private business, her also meddling in our finances and in our home. To her becoming my biggest critic, constant underhanded sarcastic comments, long monologues where she would boast about herself, then complete denial and refusal to take any responsibility after calling her out on her critical behaviour, to no contact, to then civil contact, to then being ignored and being treated like I was invisible for years. She would even bring home made meals for my partner (her son) and nothing for me and the children. I was exhausted by the turmoil of the relationship. Sometimes she would be perfectly pleasant and the next time I saw her, she would be pissed off with me for no apparent reason.

My partner mostly excused her, stuck up for her a couple of times then towards the end, accepted her behaviour was wrong and told me to be more tolerant of it.

His sister then became his mother's flying monkey once she had given up and had taken to blanking me. She was sharing screen shots of my posts from online parenting groups and women's forums with the family behind my back much to my surprise. I also discovered most recently that she was anonymously posting derogatory posts on my blog after weeks of wondering who this poster was.

This all came out and I was furious and my partner (her brother) defended the behaviour. I therefore told him to leave. What I find most odd is that I had been asked to care for his sister's 8 month old the following weekend, when all along she'd been doing all of this behind my back. Why would she want me to look after her kid if she was being so deviously callous?! What a user!

I called out the whole family and shared my disgust on their behaviour. Even his Dad's enabling of his mum and sister. Unsurprisingly, they never responded. My ex was mortified at me for speaking out rather than being mortified at their behaviour. This was a few months ago now and he has since been living with his parents. He took his mum out for mother's day yesterday, he spends weekends with his sister when he has our children who also now spend a third of their time at his parents house,he does his parents food shopping and is seemingly content living back home.

I feel traumatised.
And betrayed. Shocked, disgusted, angry. I can't quite get my head around what has happened. His family has always been an issue but I never really thought that he would choose them.

Our daughter is also now coming home telling me stories about how Grandma is behaving oddly towards her. A couple of weeks ago his mum accused my daughter of not loving her enough! My ex accepted that the comment was uncalled for, but again, did nothing to challenge his mother's behaviour. My daughter told me she isn't sure if she enjoys going there anymore. The whole family- his sister and particularly her baby are all at the house a lot of the time when my kids are there. Surely this isn't normal?

What is wrong with him?
Will he never realise how toxic his family are? How much will it take?

But most importantly, how do I get over this? It feels like a huge betrayal and I can't believe it has actually come to this.

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Quitelikeit · 20/03/2023 13:59

I do not know how you have tolerated this scenario for so long.

The woman is clearly toxic and highly dysfunctional.

She clearly has a hold over her son that you have not been able to help him see is harmful

I am so sorry you are in this situation

My advice is to detach yourself emotionally from this family and start looking to the future

you cannot and will not change that woman the only thing you can change is your response to her

drpet49 · 20/03/2023 14:01

Now you children spent regular time with the Grandma and family I would most be worried about them alienating your children from you.

mathanxiety · 20/03/2023 14:09

Is the children's contact with your exP court ordered?

If not, then you can stop contact - but it would be better (so it doesn't look like you're alienating the child from her father) to insist on contact in a contact centre and with him only. She's not getting her father's undivided attention in a house where there are grandparents, in laws, and cousins constantly present.

How old is your daughter? If tween or early teen, her preference about visitation would be taken into account by a family law court.

I have huge sympathy for you. ExMIL is a narcissist and exH danced to her tune.

Scienceadvisory · 20/03/2023 14:21

@mathanxiety she can't insist her ex goes through a contact centre to see his kids because she doesn't like her ex in-laws. That demand in itself would look like she is trying to alienate the children from him. If she has no concerns for their safety then she should be encouraging contact not using her children as pawns.

Oversharingnamechanged · 20/03/2023 14:52

How old the children are is relevant to this.
I am NC with MiL (as is DH) for disgraceful behaviour, I have tried to contact her to see if we can build on a relationship with her and our DC but we simply can't, unless she gets to dominate what they do her behaviour is irrational and dangerous in honesty. I'm lucky DH was sick of her cruelty before she started targeting me, so I can't imagine how fucking awful you feel.
But I can say hand on heart if my DH wasn't aware of how awful MiLs behaviour is, or excused it, I'd be happier without him, long term.

They do sound very strange, but it's amazing how many people enable narcissist parents. I believe my mother is a covert narcissist and I have enabled her bullshit for many years, simply because I love her and would have rather minimised her behaviour as opposed to call her out on it. I'm almost 40 and not the pushover I was ten years ago, but it's taken years for me to not be as MN calls, "a people pleaser".

This all sounds hideous OP, but the fact your DD is picking up on her grandma's shitty behaviour isn't great, but might also mean she's not as vulnerable to excusing it as your DH.

My kids were ride or die for my DM, but over the years they've seen her hurt me and whilst haven't ever chosen a side (I'd never ever allow it, nor do I want them aware any more than necessary things are tense) but they do make it clear seeing me upset over something gran has done, doesn't do much to make them want to spend time with her.

This is such a fucking nightmare for you OP and I can only go off personal experience of narcissistic behaviour but I can say my DH and I are much happier, as are our children, with our firm boundaries and limited contact.

Also Re SiL, she's desperate for her mum to love her, narcs are so controlling and the absolute bullshit you do to appease a parent at the best of times is madness, she wants approval, I'd have walked in fire for my mum, before I realised how utterly toxic her shit is. Please bear that in mind, it may not come from a place of wishing to hurt you as much as make her mum happy x

Pinkbonbon · 20/03/2023 15:11

I'd tell my children she didn't have to go there anymore if she didn't want to.

And if she did continue to go I'd turn it into a bit joke of 'what toxic thing did granny do today? Tell me and we'll have a laugh about it'.

You need to have serious conversations with her about how to spot bullies and that we shouldn't kiss their arses because it won't make them nicer. Tell her you'll always be there if she needs to talk or vent about their bs.

Shortbread49 · 20/03/2023 15:15

I have a mother like this it’s her way or rude comments and the silent treatment ( has tricked me into doing what she wants before now) luckily my children started to cotton on about the age of 7 and are now 12 and can see through her

Chalkandchina · 20/03/2023 16:00

"Her way or rude comments and the silent treatment" is exactly how I'd sum it up @Shortbread49 . She often struck me as having the emotional intelligence of a child in a woman's body.

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TaunterOfWomenInGeneralSaysSayonarastu · 20/03/2023 16:23

My partner mostly excused her, stuck up for her a couple of times then towards the end, accepted her behaviour was wrong and told me to be more tolerant of it.

His sister then .... (etc) ... This all came out and I was furious and my partner (her brother) defended the behaviour.

This is all you need to know.
I know it hurts now & you have multiple emotions to go through yet. But you are so well shot of him.

TaunterOfWomenInGeneralSaysSayonarastu · 20/03/2023 16:24

Our daughter is also now coming home telling me stories about how Grandma is behaving oddly towards her. A couple of weeks ago his mum accused my daughter of not loving her enough! My ex accepted that the comment was uncalled for, but again, did nothing to challenge his mother's behaviour. My daughter told me she isn't sure if she enjoys going there anymore.

How old is DD?
Old enough to choose not to go?

Chalkandchina · 20/03/2023 16:30

@TaunterOfWomenInGeneralSaysSayonarastu she's 8

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TaunterOfWomenInGeneralSaysSayonarastu · 20/03/2023 16:43

Chalkandchina · 20/03/2023 16:30

@TaunterOfWomenInGeneralSaysSayonarastu she's 8

She will soon enough to be old enough to say she doesn't want to go to MiL's, & if her dad tries to make her, that she doesn't want to visit him either.

Sorry OP it's not much immediate help, & it's a worry that MiL is - essentially - engaging in parental alienation tactics.
Just keep communicating with DD about it & reassuring her that she can sense-check anything MiL says to her with you directly - she doesn't have to feel shy or awkward if that means she needs to repeat some nasty words to you.

mathanxiety · 20/03/2023 16:59

She's still too young to be allowed to have her preference, at 8.

In the meantime, @Pinkbonbon's advice is excellent.

Chalkandchina · 20/03/2023 19:36

@Oversharingnamechanged yes exSIL most definitely pandered to get her mother to love her. But I also see a lot of her mother IN her. ExDP and Ex FIL spent a lot of time and energy helping her at every juncture of life, her seemingly unable to stand on her own two feet. I am extremely independent in comparison and she was clearly threatened by this early on.

Joking with DD about her is a great idea @Pinkbonbon . She has always fallen out with her- even as a young child she seemed to rub her up the wrong way, my youngest child refuses to hug her. They definitely pick up on some sort of vibe from her. Now that his sister has a baby, she will boast to my children how much the baby loves and adores her to make them jealous but they've caught on to this too. She will alienate them in no time because they have a healthy relationship with me and they know what is normal and what isn't without me having to say a thing.

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Helpmethanks · 21/03/2023 05:21

Been through something similar and was just about to write a similar post when I saw yours! This shows we are not alone, it is an actual thing
There are a few pages in a book “Healing Hidden Abuse” that talk about toxic narcissistic (former) in laws which I found very helpful
My STBX was also narcissistic
The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree

He has gone on to have a second flaky with a new victim, who I suspect the cycle will be repeated with

I think to come to terms with it we have to realise it’s not us, it’s a toxic narcissistic family system that we are now free from. We have to be stable so kids have at least one sane parent - this is protective

Chalkandchina · 21/03/2023 10:54

I'll look into that book @Helpmethanks and the link is super helpful too. I'm sorry yours moved on so quickly. Mine will be in some sort of emotional affair with an older woman by now I would have thought. A nice empathetic person who's "helping him" recover from his awful relationship with me where he did nothing wrong and is the true victim.

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Helpmethanks · 21/03/2023 21:45

I’m glad it helped

The STBX in laws are continuing to be abusive, it’s really hard
I wish there was a support group for us to join!

Bunnyhascovidnoteggs · 21/03/2023 21:50

How are the dc there 1/3 of the time? Surely his family see dc in his time?

Chalkandchina · 21/03/2023 21:56

They all live together @Bunnyhascovidnoteggs

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