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DH with Social Anxiety

26 replies

SADH · 18/03/2023 13:32

He's struggling because he doesn't really have any friends, and doesn't know how to make some due to his SA. He really struggles a lot with social situations. The thought of trying to form relationships stresses him out so much that he doesn't even feel it's worth the effort. It's having a severe impact on his happiness though.

I've recently found myself with a small but solid group of mum friends, and we've been out a few times - he's (understandably I suppose) worried he will be left alone with nothing to do when I socialise. It's causing him really unhappiness. Not that I go out a lot by any means (twice in approx the last 3-4 months), but more than I really have since our eldest (7) was born. I've turned down an invite for this evening, in part because I've been out recently and I know if I suggest going out again it will upset him.

We have "joint" friends who we do socialise with from before children (most have children of their own now) - so we go out as a family with these friends. Although again not on a very regular basis as life often gets in the way and also everyone is more spread out across the country now, so these meetings are getting less frequent. And it's always me who arranges this stuff. He would never independently arrange to see anyone socially, even his oldest male friend who we're still in contact with and socialise with as a family every so often.

It's not just not having friends that is an issue - it's also things to do with the children. He hates taking them to parties, so as a result I do 99% of them by myself. Sometimes he comes, but feels miserable and awkward throughout. It's got to the point now where I figure I'll just always do them because is it worrth making him unhappy?

I don't know what to do to help him, or should I say to help him help himself, as I know deep down I can't fix this for him, but I want to support him as best I can. However he has a very negative outlook about it all, I guess as he can't see a way forward where things get better. I want to help but anything I suggest gets shot down and he gets irritated with me.

I worry for him so much and want him to be happy. Currently we're in a situation where I feel a sense of guilt for having found some new friends and that I'm forming a local social life. It's also not like he's entirely excluded from this part of my life - we socialise with some of these new friends as a family (all children around the same age). He finds this difficult too though and I don't think he ever enjoys himself when we do this.

I should add - I don't make friends easily. Since having my eldest 7 years ago I've felt very lonely at times. For a long time my only friends were all old friends. I met up with a couple of them a lot during my first maternity leave, but after going to back to work that became harder and I felt more isolated. Making good friends through meeting other children has really only just started to bear meaningful fruit in the last year or so. And this process has really kicked off my husband's current worries about the future and his own social situation.

I guess I'd love to hear from other adults with SA, particularly those with children and the pressures that brings. How do you cope? What has helped you? Is there anything your spouse or significant other has been able to do to help?

OP posts:
LividNC · 18/03/2023 13:34

Absolutely under no circumstances should you cancel plans due to him.

He needs to get counselling before you find yourself living a tiny, tiny life.

TomHanksIsFuckingAmazing · 18/03/2023 13:38

I've turned down an invite for this evening, in part because I've been out recently and I know if I suggest going out again it will upset him.

Fuck this shit!

TheCoffeeTableofDoom · 18/03/2023 13:42

Don’t cancel your plans. Treat yourself the way you treat him, with respect and consideration. Sorry to be a downer but I had this and it ended up with other control issues. You deserve to live your life too

ArcticBells · 18/03/2023 13:47

Has he always been like this?

SADH · 18/03/2023 13:47

I should add - we're recently been working through some relatively serious marriage problems so I'm trying to be particularly considerate to his feelings right now. Things between us feel like they're been a lot better. We've been closer than ever and on the whole I've felt that we can work through what life throws at us as a united front.

The invite came up at short notice too, and he struggles with last minute changes of plan. As it turns out I've caught a bug off of my kids and so I'm not really in a fit state to go out. So while his (predicted) reaction wasn't the only reason I said no to this particular invite, I'd be lying if I said it wasn't at the back of my mind as a reason.

He's had counselling in the past, CBT and the like - he doesn't think it will help. But he can't carry on like this.

OP posts:
SADH · 18/03/2023 13:50

ArcticBells · 18/03/2023 13:47

Has he always been like this?

To a certain extent. When I met him he had a social life, friends, going out regularly. Although usually involved a lot of alcohol. These were people he'd met through school and had known from being a child, so I think he felt relatively comfortable around them (and if he didn't for whatever reason then the alcohol helped).

I think it's harder as an adult, making new friends, with people who already have busy full lives and not much time. He's also trying to stop drinking, and that's always been his social crutch (although it's been a long time since he's been out drinking with friends now anyway).

OP posts:
Shoxfordian · 18/03/2023 13:54

Is he getting any counselling to manage this for himself? His anxiety should not be your problem. He sounds controlling

Aquamarine1029 · 18/03/2023 14:01

Hmmm. Isn't interesting how playing the social anxiety card can be a handy excuse for actually being a controlling arsehole.

You are allowing him to hinder your own life. Stop it. Stop pandering to this nonsense.

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 18/03/2023 14:06

He is a selfish controlling fucker and if you let him he will shrink your life to nothing and it will really impact on your kids too.

AgentJohnson · 18/03/2023 14:08

By declining invitations you aren’t supporting him, your enabling him at a cost to your own needs.

You can’t help someone who won’t help themselves.

Your H needs professional support and only he can make the decision to access ir.

LobeliaBaggins · 18/03/2023 14:10

TomHanksIsFuckingAmazing · 18/03/2023 13:38

I've turned down an invite for this evening, in part because I've been out recently and I know if I suggest going out again it will upset him.

Fuck this shit!

+1000.

SA is his problem to solve. Not yours. My DH doesn't like socialising. I do. So I go out on my own.

It's not hard to make friends as an adult if you try. He doesn't want to. That's his problem.

newtowelsplease · 18/03/2023 14:15

This is really pathetic. He needs to solve this problem for himself (regardless of whether he wants to). I'm very introverted, I'd love to check out of most things I have to do because I don't enjoy other people. I don't get to do that and neither should he.

newtowelsplease · 18/03/2023 14:16

It's not just not having friends that is an issue - it's also things to do with the children. He hates taking them to parties, so as a result I do 99% of them by myself. Sometimes he comes, but feels miserable and awkward throughout. It's got to the point now where I figure I'll just always do them because is it worrth making him unhappy?

Also this is ridiculous. Literally no one enjoys taking their kids to parties. It's just another one of the shitty parts of parenting. Stop being a doormat.

sixfoot · 18/03/2023 14:21

Some of the replies are harsh. I’m an introvert and my DH is very extroverted. He loves taking the kids places, meeting new people, chatting to anyone and everyone. I do it when I have to but there’s an impact; I then need to be alone in the quiet to recharge. The events / people are what recharges him!

It doesn’t mean I’m controlling or a bad parent. I’m just a different person doing my best in life.

however, I wouldn’t stop him going out ever. That’s not on at all.

Aquamarine1029 · 18/03/2023 14:28

sixfoot · 18/03/2023 14:21

Some of the replies are harsh. I’m an introvert and my DH is very extroverted. He loves taking the kids places, meeting new people, chatting to anyone and everyone. I do it when I have to but there’s an impact; I then need to be alone in the quiet to recharge. The events / people are what recharges him!

It doesn’t mean I’m controlling or a bad parent. I’m just a different person doing my best in life.

however, I wouldn’t stop him going out ever. That’s not on at all.

No one is being harsh. The op's husband gets upset and emotionally manipulates her to get her to stay home. That is abuse, pure and simple. The dynamic of your marriage is completely different. You don't coerce your husband to stay home if you don't want to go out.

whatisheupto · 18/03/2023 14:32

You're obviously a very caring person OP. But would he be restricting himself to 2 nights out every 3 or 4 months for your sake, if the tables were turned?
And if you can honestly say he would, would you want him to do that for you anyway? Or would you hate to think your anxiety was stopping him living life to the full?

I think you need to be very careful. There is a fine line between supporting someone, and being a doormat.

pointythings · 18/03/2023 14:41

You can't let him limit your life, because as your DC get older he will also limit their lives. That isn't OK. He's going to have to challenge himself and go back to therapy, take medication, do whatever is necessary for him to function socially as best he can. And beyond that, he needs to willingly give you and your DC the freedom to live your lives.

Imnotachap · 18/03/2023 14:54

He has social anxiety so you're not allowed out?? What the fuck is that about? You're not forcing him to be social. You go out about what six times in a whole year and he's still not happy? This is controlling behaviour. Are you both going to sit in the house together forever? I'm guessing this is his aim.

CombatBarbie · 18/03/2023 15:08

His needs don't trump yours, I say that as someone who has SA and my DH is a social butterfly. This is his issue to tackle (with your support). Saying CBT won't help and being negative is just compounding the issue.

You may be working through issues in your marriage but you are a person in your own right and are allowed a social life. If he doesn't want to help himself, that's not your problem.

Seaoftroubles · 18/03/2023 15:16

He is unhappy that when you go out occasionally with your friends he will have nothing to do? To the point that you cancel so you can keep him company? This is unacceptable and also quite manipulative. Insist he has more couselling for his SA, and also goes to see his G.P as he may benefit from antidepressants. Definitely don't cancel your arrangements to pander to him as you are just enabling him further.

Ladybug14 · 18/03/2023 15:21

You ask how you can help him?

Don't enable him, and don't pander to him

He's an adult. He can find help - therapy, hypnotherapy, or whatever works for him

What will NOT work is you making yourself and your life smaller because he is unable to enlarge his own life

Ghostbuster2639 · 18/03/2023 15:36

He wants you both not to socialise. And you’ll be a fool if you play along with that.

monsteramunch · 18/03/2023 15:51

sixfoot · 18/03/2023 14:21

Some of the replies are harsh. I’m an introvert and my DH is very extroverted. He loves taking the kids places, meeting new people, chatting to anyone and everyone. I do it when I have to but there’s an impact; I then need to be alone in the quiet to recharge. The events / people are what recharges him!

It doesn’t mean I’m controlling or a bad parent. I’m just a different person doing my best in life.

however, I wouldn’t stop him going out ever. That’s not on at all.

But you aren't being controlling because you don't stop your partner socialising when he wants to / guilt trip him if he goes out etc.

Lots of us are introverts or have social anxiety and manage not to use those traits to control our partners.

That's why people don't like the sound of OP's partner. It's the control and the effect it's having on her life that people are taking issue with, not the fact he doesn't like socialising.

flowerfake · 18/03/2023 16:03

www.alcoholics-anonymous.org.uk/About-AA/Newcomers/Is-AA-for-you?

social anxiety and problem drinking go hand in hand. Might not be relevant, but I don’t know anyone in AA who didn’t have a feeling of not belonging and acute social anxiety issues before the drinking became a solution then a problem.

al-anonuk.org.uk/getting-help/is-al-anon-for-you/

and this is for you.

if this is alcoholism then you need to know you didn’t cause it, you can’t control it and you can’t cure it. Support is very different for someone in addiction than for someone with another illness in a relationship.

hope it’s not this, but some signs sound sadly familiar.

TaunterOfWomenInGeneralSaysSayonarastu · 18/03/2023 16:23

I should add - we're recently been working through some relatively serious marriage problems so I'm trying to be particularly considerate to his feelings right now.

Oh FFS where is the consideration for YOUR feelings? Does he think the serious marriage problems didn't affect you too?

I get that he has social anxiety - but that is NOT a reason to curtail his wife's socialising. It is his responsibility to get treatment, & find ways of coping with the fact that his wife needs to lead a normal social life with her friends.

What has he done to relieve this anxiety of his?
What help has he sought?
Or does he just try to relieve it by making you feel guilty for seeing your mates?

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