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How do I improve my appalling social skills

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Fred92 · 12/03/2023 12:47

Hi

I've put this under 'relationships' because I can't find the right topic for this.

I have very very bad problems. I am terrible at talking to people. It's hard to explain but I'm just a mess. Very socially awkward. Conversation doesn't flow from me normally. I'm so shifty and uncomfortable. I can just feel that my body language is awkward and I don't know where to look when I'm in a group. I look around at other people and they are just acting normally, laughing and joking, why can't I be like them? I get upset and have lots of negative thoughts going round my head about how inadequate I am when I'm out with people. I sometimes have to leave and get really angry and upset when I get home because I feel like a failure.

I want to be able make friends/connections with people, especially Women. I normally go out with my sister and her friends because I find it hard to make friends of my own. But I also use Meetup.com and Facebook groups.

It's so frustrating. It seems I'm the first man in human history to get to the age of 30 and to never have had a girlfriend. It's impossible for a Woman to find me attractive when my social skills are this bad. In an ideal world there would be a Woman that loved me for who I am despite my flaws but the world doesn't work that way. Being socially awkward is unforgivable.

What can I do to solve this problem and improve my social skills? I just want to make progress. I will never be the life and soul of the party and that's ok but I need to do better.

Thank you

OP posts:
80s · 14/03/2023 08:50

If you are autistic, then you'll be autistic with or without a diagnosis. With the diagnosis, you'd have an explanation for why certain things work for you and others don't. It would be a better explanation than your current, incorrect explanation "I am an inadequate failure"! And you'd be able to search for tips aimed at people whose brain works the same way as yours.
If you are instead diagnosed as experiencing social anxiety, that too would be a useful tip as to what you can do to feel less anxious.
My father (also a late bloomer) felt uncomfortable at the idea he could be autistic, as when he was growing up 80 years ago, people with unexpected behaviours were so quickly labelled "loony" etc. But he's 85. You're 30 and the world has advanced. Even my dad now sees it as a useful explanation for why he was not as outgoing as his classmates 80 years ago.

BillyNighysWife · 14/03/2023 09:07

I echo what others have said. It sounds very much like you are on the autistic spectrum. This definitely does not mean there is something ‘wrong’ with you. Please do get a diagnosis or at least a test you can do for yourself at home. If you are on the spectrum it will almost certainly not be the cause of more worry, most people find a diagnosis lessens their worry because it provides an explanation for their difficulties. It means it’s not your ‘fault’ you are different and it opens the door to a whole community of similar people who have experienced the same things as you and can support and advise you. It would also be the ideal community to find a girlfriend!

I also agree it’s really important not to develop an attitude of resentment towards more socially skilled people. They are not dismissing you they simply prefer to feel comfortable socially. If you have a chip in your shoulder about what you think they think of you this is going to make social situations even harder and you will be in a downward spiral.

You have to accept yourself the way you are. You may be on the spectrum, you may just struggle with social skills but this is not something to get angry with other people about, or yourself. You can learn some conversation gambits but you can also decide to spend time with people who get you, who are on your wavelength. This will be other people on the spectrum or those who share your particular interests.

Bookworm20 · 14/03/2023 10:17

I used to be incredibly shy, well still am, but I've learned how to deal with it better as I got older. As a teenager I was very socially awkward. And social situations and small talk was something that sent me into a panic. But life has to go on and I put myself more and more outside my comfort zone. Its not an overnight thing but some things which helped me are:

If I was to be in a situation where I knew very few people and knew I had to socialise I would actually jot down some topics before going out that I could talk about if needed. Just general stuff. I started with the weather, just something like 'its been so hot today!' and then usually someone would respond with something I could join in with. I wasn't the least bit interested in the weather but it was an easier one.
Other things could be (depnding on whether social or work related) 'what do you do for work?', 'Are you here with your family/friends', 'How far have you had to come today', 'I love your jumper (or anything), I've been looking for similar where did you get it'

Just take a bit of time before you go out and jot down some things relevant to where you are going.

In terms of body language. If you feel awkwards, try and have something in your hands. A drink, a pen and paper, jumper, anything, you won;'t feel as 'exposed' and may relax a little as you won't need to start wondering what to do with your hands. When people are talking, look at them. It may feel odd to start with if you're not used to it, but it gets easier. They won't think you're weird for looking at them when they speak. It shows interest.

Practice a few reasons for leaving a convo - just getting a drink, just need to grab something from the car, things like that.

if you are talking and there are awkward silences, perhaps both of you are unsure what to say next. Say something like, I never know what to say at these things, or refer to some of your pre thought out q's from above.

Theres no magical solution, except pushing yourself right outside your comfort zone and keeping going. It will become easier. Practice makes perfect as they say. If you feel panicked or awkward, go to the loo for a few minutes or outside to gather yourself.

And most of all, turn up looking clean and smart and tell yourself before you go out that you look great and you are every bit as valid as anyone else there.

NotAnotherBathBomb · 14/03/2023 13:39

FunnyMunny · 13/03/2023 21:27

This is Donald trump's favourite book ... so no please don't read this book which is a load of bullshit anyway.

also...why would you want to influence people? unless you plan on starting your own cult?

Prettybutdumb · 14/03/2023 13:50

I married someone like you. :) We had 2-3 awkward dates (imagine being in various establishments in absolute silence for hours). I assumed he was shy and will eventually come out of his shell, but he didn’t and I sent him a text to say the whole thing is not for me. He begged to have a face to face conversation about it and it was a really good date (well, compared to the others). I found him kind, generous and genuine. We now have children and I absolutely adore him. I’m 100% sure he’s a perfect match for me, he thinks exactly the same. I still find his social awkwardness endearing.

What I’m trying to say is you’ll find your person.

cassiastatham · 14/03/2023 14:41

NotAnotherBathBomb · 14/03/2023 13:39

also...why would you want to influence people? unless you plan on starting your own cult?

A bit annoying when they suggest call people by their name, they love the sound of it, wot, call me Poppet instead 😅

Okigen · 15/03/2023 01:28

You sound a bit like me 10-15 years ago. In my case I was an introvert who unfortunately failed to socialise from an early age, and that snowballed into my 20s. At some points I developed an attitude of "I'm better than them". It sounds snobbish but really it was a form of low self-esteem. I have some tips below, hopefully you may find useful:

  1. It's normal to feel awkward and not fitting in, in fact most people will be like that in an unfamiliar setting. This is common sense, but back then, I had this assumption in my head that things need to go smoothly for them to be "normal". That's a very high bar to beat and can be very demotivating every time "normal" is not achieved.

  2. Before each gathering, prepare some topics to talk about, perhaps write it down and rehearse at home. Over time you will gradually come off this, but it is quite helpful at the start.

  3. With women, sometimes just listening and nodding in agreement is already a good strategy. I often find it very frustrating that my male friends always try to find solutions for my problems, while really I just want to offload my emotion.

  4. If possible, have something in your outfit that can be a conversation starter. This is a bit easier for women admittedly. But my (male) friend once had an exotic tie with foreign languages on it.

The book "Quiet: the power of introverts in a world that can't stop talking" is also interesting to read, if you are an introvert.

Alexandra888 · 15/03/2023 08:45

I have recently joined a coffee group of women that I like. Some of them I have known for years. I work and have always worked mostly they dont.
I have recently started to feel very uncomfortable and nervous which is not like me I am generally v confident

It is really upsetting me.

Yesterday I realised that one of the women the queen bee type nearly always interupts me /starts another conversation or talks over me therebye blocking me from speaking. Yesterday she was bad mouthing me and I heard her

I dont know how to handle this. Any ideas? I dont want to leave the group because of her I feel like directly confronting her in the group but that may not be the right thing to do people dont like conflict

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