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Advice on friendship

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theve · 04/03/2023 09:23

NC for this.

I feel upset as I have fallen out with a friend and not sure how to handle it. I don't really fall out with people as a rule and this has really unsettled me!

So I have been friends with this person for about 8 years. We used to work together but she was more senior than me, and then over a year ago, she was overlooked for a promotion and left for a better role elsewhere. I was really happy for her that she was doing well and I really really loved her as a friend. We have been through a lot together and I honestly thought it was a really special and valuable friendship.

However we went out for dinner last week with another mutual friend of ours, it was going well initially. Friend does drink pretty heavily and had a lot more to drink than I did. Then we went to a pub and out of nowhere, they unleashed this sort of diatribe about my workplace, very angry, going on and on about all the things we do badly, and whenever she mentioned the name of the organisation she sort of gestured towards me, even when talking about stuff that was nothing to do with me and way above my pay grade. It was very strange, they were so full of contempt and anger, I was quite taken aback by it. I wasn’t sure how to react really, and didn’t say very much. I felt like if I said anything it would sound defensive, and was interrupting me anyway, but mostly it just wasn’t really what I had expected on what should have been a fun night out and I didn’t really expect to be talking about work as much as we were or in that way. Then they left suddenly. Other friend commented on how angry they had seemed.

The next morning they text to apologise if they had upset me with their “views”. I replied and said that it had upset me a bit, not so much their views but they way they had been talking to me but that it was fine. Then they sent more apologies but along then lines of “I’m sorry if you felt that way”. I really do love this person as a friend and so I said I was sorry too, perhaps I had been a little sensitive and that I loved them and hoped they were ok.

That was over a week ago and they have ignored my message and not spoken to me since. I am in a group chat with the other friend and they have replied on there to others friend’s messages but not to mine. Other friend says they had had this before with them, the silent treatment and they need time to “come round” but they will eventually. But it just seems like a very immature way to deal with things and I’m not sure I want to Wait for them to come round and act like everything is normal again when they were pretty awful to me. It’s like they want me to do the running and repair things when really, I don’t think I was at fault?

Does anyone have any advice on how to handle this? Do I just need to get over it?

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Sunshineboo · 04/03/2023 09:29

It depends - do you want this type of friendship.

If you do, you could try waiting it out, sending a funny video or something to see if they can move on and interact with you or reiterate your value of the friendship.

If you don't, (tbh i hope you don't, they don't deserve you) leave the chat with the three of you and ignore anything they say on other chats. Not rudely but just avoiding 1:1 chat. it is essentially treating them how they have treated you. Just when they change your mind, remind yourself how you felt and refuse ti change yours.

good luck. horrid friends can make you feel like a teenager again. just don't give them the controlling hand over your emotions

Bigmummaof2 · 04/03/2023 09:33

Honestly OP, been there done that with old work colleagues who I thought were friends. But friends don’t behave this way.

I would just cut your losses and move on. Don’t wait around for them to respond.

Mute the chat and archive it, don’t even open it.

So sorry, it is a rubbish situation x

category12 · 04/03/2023 09:41

If you do sort it out, I wouldn't go out for drinks again.

Sloth66 · 04/03/2023 09:43

Just had a night out with 2 friends, felt ambushed with the conversation as they have some different views to me , and it’s been discussed previously. That and endless chat about people they socialise with, and I don’t know at all… it’s sounds playground stuff, but it’s hurtful.

Op These people don’t sound like friends, and who needs or wants a night out like that? Life’s too short.

Upsidedownagain · 04/03/2023 10:08

Sounds like they got drunk and rather carried away on an issue that meant a lot to them, and their social awareness went out the window. They then did apologise the next day - but instead of accepting it whole-heartedly, you made another complaint, that must have stung, although they did respond with another sorry. I don't think you can be too upset now as it's not a great feeling to have a sorry half thrown back at you. You should have accepted it and moved on probably (though I understand you felt it had been made about the wrong aspect)

I am all for being forgiving, especially if the friendship has been good in the past and giving a person another chance. Time is a great healer - let it go for a while so all feelings damp down on both sides, then send a friendly neutral message.

TaunterOfWomenInGeneralSaysSayonarastu · 04/03/2023 10:23

Upsidedownagain · 04/03/2023 10:08

Sounds like they got drunk and rather carried away on an issue that meant a lot to them, and their social awareness went out the window. They then did apologise the next day - but instead of accepting it whole-heartedly, you made another complaint, that must have stung, although they did respond with another sorry. I don't think you can be too upset now as it's not a great feeling to have a sorry half thrown back at you. You should have accepted it and moved on probably (though I understand you felt it had been made about the wrong aspect)

I am all for being forgiving, especially if the friendship has been good in the past and giving a person another chance. Time is a great healer - let it go for a while so all feelings damp down on both sides, then send a friendly neutral message.

When somebody offers an apology, it should not be in the expectation of instant forgiveness.

The person who is being apologised to is perfectly reasonable to express how they were/are feeling about whatever the offence was.

If the apologiser is not prepared to hear how the other person is feeling, it's not a genuine apology. A genuine one needs to acknowledge the pain caused, make good any damage, undertake not to repeat the offence & - above all - leave that with the person being apologised to, to react to as they see fit.

OP didn't "make another complaint" she simply told her 'friend' how she was feeling. That's entirely reasonable - an apology isn't a magic wand, it's a first step toward mitigation & reconciliation, & expecting the hurt party to basically STFU about their own feelings is nonsense.

Upsidedownagain · 04/03/2023 10:35

TaunterOfWomenInGeneralSaysSayonarastu · 04/03/2023 10:23

When somebody offers an apology, it should not be in the expectation of instant forgiveness.

The person who is being apologised to is perfectly reasonable to express how they were/are feeling about whatever the offence was.

If the apologiser is not prepared to hear how the other person is feeling, it's not a genuine apology. A genuine one needs to acknowledge the pain caused, make good any damage, undertake not to repeat the offence & - above all - leave that with the person being apologised to, to react to as they see fit.

OP didn't "make another complaint" she simply told her 'friend' how she was feeling. That's entirely reasonable - an apology isn't a magic wand, it's a first step toward mitigation & reconciliation, & expecting the hurt party to basically STFU about their own feelings is nonsense.

I don't entirely disagree but this friend is clearly easily irritated so it may explain why they are now ignoring OP. Sometimes its better to wait till feelings subside before giving ones point of view. Also maybe to talk in person and not via messages that can be misconstrued.

theve · 04/03/2023 10:56

Yes I'd definitely prefer to talk face to face but not sure how to broach this when I'm getting the silent treatment. Maybe best to leave it for a bit and see what happens. I'd be so sad to think that the friendship had run its course.

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