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Sexless relationship

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Kimdo · 28/02/2023 12:55

So I actually just joined this forum solely to get this of my chest and maybe get some advice (I am not even a mom, but I am not good enough with my mom to ask for her advice 😅)

I am 24 and in a relationship for almost four years with a man. He is loving and caring, and I truely love him and all his weird little things. We can laugh with eachother a lot, but there is a "however" though, when it comes to sex we don't really vibe. It is a hard topic to begin with since he has a chronic illness, which when it flares up takes away his sex drive completely. I don't mind that, as I said before; I love him. But it seems as if he puts pressure on himself, as if he has to get it over with from time to time. When this happens, to me, sometimes, it feels like he wants to rush things.

The issue with me is that I have had traumatic experiences with sex in the past (like many women I know unfortunately) and this makes it difficult to enjoy sex as, I guess, is described as "normal". To give an example, the lights need to be on and I need to feel able to opt out at all times. It's not like he doesn't respect this alltogether, because when we talk about it he says he is willing to adapt to all of those things. However, I am not "allowed" to bring up anything about the trauma at any time, because this causes him distress (talking about previous relationships and their effects usually does). When we are having sex, and I want to stop, he accepts it, but is also deeply hurt, and will not talk to me about it. He will turn around, be mad or cry. And I do get that he might feel rejected in a way, but since we talked about it, I hoped that he would understand and let me decline without "concequences". I tried explaining it as seeing sex as something that can be interrupted, f.e. to initiate sex and then just go ahead and do something else. And that, for me, the idea that neither of us is obligated to finish makes it easier. Even if we never interrupt it ever again, the thought that it is possible to do that, is enough. He shrugged and said he thought that was a silly idea, leaving me feeling quite alone.

I also tried to explain the importance of connection to me: if we are not "connected" it feels impossible to have sex because it feels like a chore that way. So I got him to try tantra (meaning, first you take the time to build a connection by looking into eachothers eyes, set the mood, first touch in a non sexual way) with me, which for me was a very good experience. He felt it was boring, unimportant, but something we could try every once in a while. I cannot seem to make him understand that for me, at least building some connection (in any way possible) before actually going into it head over heals is not just important, but necessary. I tried just letting it go, making him happy, waiting till its over, but he notices if I do that and gets really angry. But if I do try to tell him to stop he gets mad as well, so there is no real good option for me there as far as I can see. The last times we had sex I felt stressed and completely froze, because its terrifying to me. Him initiating sex is enough for me to be worried about various things like "what if I will not get in the mood fast enough? That will disappoint him, hurt his feelings. What if he thinks I am not in the mood, when I actually am but just want to go slower? And he notices, then his feelings will be hurt and he will be disappointed. I tried talking about it, but it always ends up with me crying and him feeling insulted and frustrated (I am not really sure if in this situation he is more frustrated with me of frustrated with the situation itself). Ofcourse he is allowed to have feelings about this, I completely understand that in a way he feels rejected. But I am not really sure how we can incorporate his feelings into the equation, because he shuts off when having big feelings about something and I feel like it is hard for him to communicate these feelings in a way that I am able to understand. He usually shuts down, gets quiet, as if he is in his own space and can't find the words to describe what he is feeling (he also has this when talking about other feelings, like worries about his illness) he usually tries to hide his feelings, and he prefers not to talk about any problem with anyone.

Right now I told him I don't want to have sex at all. Also because I have been questioning my sexuality, I am not sure that is the cause of all this or it might be the things I described above or maybe both. It's hard because, unlike him, I do feel a strong need to talk about my problems and feelings, but don't feel I have anyone to talk to. When discussing my sexuality, or sex in general, with him, he is hurt and doesn't respond in any way. I have no idea how he feels about it apart from displeased. I can fill in the gaps, because I know it poses a threat to our relationship and that must feel scary and painful (he does let me know that he values our relationship a lot). When talking about my doubts about my sexuality he shrugged and said that, if I wanted to experiment with women I was allowed, but it did not feel sincere and I do not want to do that if I end up hurting him with it (which I think I eventually inevitably will by doing so) and also bc I would feel like I would be cheating on him for being with another woman, even if it's "experimenting". Objectively, even if he concents, I do think it is cheating.

In the beginning of the relationship, sex was easier, because I did feel that we took time to set the mood because at the start of the relationship you are still testing the water. But there has been an issue with pressure around having sex since the beginning (and for me in previous relationships, sex has felt like a chore to me, something I just had to do)

So anyway if you read all this I want to thank you, maybe you have an idea or any experience on how we can figure this out and what I can do to communicate my needs more clearly or make him more comfortable talking about his feelings. Or how I can explain my feelings without making him feel like I am attacking or criticizing him. I feel sad because our relationship is very loving on all aspects except this one.

OP posts:
MoonbeamsGlittering · 28/02/2023 14:35

I don't feel qualified to give any brilliant advice I'm afraid, but I just wanted to say that it does sound very difficult and I hope you can find a way through. Communication is so important and it sounds like that's often the part that runs into difficulties here. It sounds like you are doing a good job of explaining how you feel and what you need, but he seems to find this much harder. A lot of men seem to struggle with this kind of communication, but unfortunately I'm not sure what you can do to help to make this better (I'm a man, but my parents gave me the message that talking about feelings was a good thing, so I had a headstart.)

Alargeoneplease89 · 28/02/2023 14:48

Honestly feels like you are mismatched in the bedroom. Most guys are like trains and find it difficult to stop (not that it's justified).
I'm not surprised you don't want sex, it sounds awful for both of you.

Maybe try loving yourself first, I know you have mentioned about history trauma but the more comfortable you are within yourself and sex the more you will over come these hurdles. Most women are programmed to think negatively/ashamed of sex/ pleasure (maybe from archaic views/ religion etc) but I feel more confident and self loved experimenting with toys etc.

Tableandhairs · 28/02/2023 15:26

OP he’s bloody awful.

it sounds like you have serious trauma from previous sexual abuse and instead of supporting you, he is making your trauma response, all about how it’s making him feel ( upset! Angry!) rather than him having any regard or caring for how you are feeling.

You have clearly tried and tried to find ways to work with this so you can both have a satisfying sex life and he rejects all of these as not good enough for him.

He is utterly selfish.

I wonder if your past experiences mean you are unable to recognize what a good, mutual, caring relationship looks like, because this sure isn’t one.

Fmlgirl · 28/02/2023 15:26

I have similar sexual trauma as you and I would suggest some psycho-sexual counselling just for you.

Ultimately I think you guys are mismatched. Don’t you want to go and explore your sexuality first before you can say for certain you want to stay in this relationship?

Sex shouldn’t really be that hard for a couple.

vamptable · 28/02/2023 16:01

Ultimately you are very young (I say this as someone only a few years older than you, so not trying to be condescending!) and having so many issues already with your communication is less than ideal. I think his response is the problem here & you have so much time to find someone more suitable.

Your trauma response is perfectly valid and, as someone who has experienced similar, is one that I share sometimes - suddenly feeling 'not right'/'out of my body' and wanting to stop.

He knows this is a trauma response completely unrelated to him & yet is still making it about him - this makes you feel you have to go through with sex you don't want which, for someone with your history, will only further traumatize you. Until he is willing to either seek help to resolve his internalization of an issue completely unrelated to him, I don't think it's healthy for you to stay in this relationship. You can't force him to communicate how you need him to, because he's carrying his own 'baggage' which makes him react with anger/upset. He needs to want to change & if he doesn't, you are not going to get anywhere - I have been there.

I don't need to tell you to seek therapy for your issues - I'm sure you already know that's something you can do if/when you're ready & its feasible. What I will say is that you're so young and will find someone who is willing to understand and work with you rather than against you Flowers

vamptable · 28/02/2023 16:14

Also I will add that I'm not meaning to vilify him here. Trauma responses are one of those things that some people, who have no experience, struggle to understand.

I experience PTSD/depression sometimes & even members of my own family can become frustrated that they can't 'make it right' or that I don't feel 'safe' with them. They internalize it as a sign that they aren't good enough, or that there's an issue of closeness between me & them. They aren't intentionally being cruel, they just don't understand (and possibly never will)- this could be the case with your boyfriend.

Ultimately it still isn't a healthy relationship for you though

gamerchick · 28/02/2023 16:25

OP he’s bloody awful

He really isn't. It all sounds like a total headfuck.

You aren't sexually compatible OP. In his eyes you stop and push him away, you want to make him wait with tantric stuff and now you're wanting to experiment with girls. How you feel is valid, it's not something you can help and I'm sorry you've suffered in the past. But you don't have a bedroom future with this particular guy. You need extensive help to work through your issues and to find someone who can let you be in control of it all. He isn't it.

Jackofallsorts · 28/02/2023 16:28

You're both way too young for this level of complication. Life (especially in your early / mid 20's) is to be enjoyed.
You both should walk away.

TheCurseOfBoris · 01/03/2023 02:19

You're too young to settle for this. You're incompatible, end of.

snitzelvoncrumb · 01/03/2023 02:40

Honestly I think you should really think about if being in this relationship is the right thing for you. As you get older and have a family life gets crazier, you won’t have the headspace to deal with someone like that. You might love him, but you could also love someone who will work with you rather than against you. It’s better to go through a heartbreak now than down the track when your lives are more entwined.
I wish you all the best on the road to your recovery xx

MaireadMcSweeney · 01/03/2023 04:21

He's not the one for you. For many reasons.

category12 · 01/03/2023 05:52

I think you would be best breaking it off with him. He's not the right person for you. Lots of relationships are good for a while and then you outgrow them or need something else.

You could look into doing some therapy, if you're ready - emdr is supposed to be good for ptsd.

I'd spend a bit of time single, working out what you want in life and love, and having some fun as well.

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