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If your exh lost interest in your child

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Dinersaur · 10/02/2023 23:40

How did you feel? I don't know how to feel.

2 years after separating, he has announced, by text, that he doesn't want to do any weekdays and so will do every other weekend. He has been doing 2 nights every week as well up until now.

The school mornings are his big issue so he won't be doing Sunday night on his weekend either. Blames our child for being hard work in the morning.

I suspect it's a pretty textbook situation. Our daughter is 5. He is older than me and has met a woman who is late 40s, who has two older teenagers and who lives over an hours drive away. When he said weekday mornings were his issue i suggested every Friday then every other Saturday but no, he needs time for his relationship too you know. He can't do every Friday night as this would take away time from seeing her.

I have always wanted her with me more, especially during the week. Despite this being what i wanted, I am mad at him for letting her down. I'm disappointed and I'm sad. She is amazing, she lights up a room, and i am so desperately sad for her that he doesn't want to spend more time with her. And i am angry that for him, parenting is optional. He knows I'd take as much time as I could with her. He's opted out of the daily grind and he knew he could just fucking do it.

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SpinningFloppa · 10/02/2023 23:43

Hmm you are not the poster who keeps getting their post deleted are you?

Dinersaur · 10/02/2023 23:44

No, why? What's that one about?

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MammasKumquat · 11/02/2023 00:00

Different situation in that XH would be unreliable with visitation while insisting he wanted to see them and was a shit father meaning I didn’t trust him to have them, but I absolutely raged at the injustice for myself and my girls for a long time.

They're now teenagers and want nothing to
do with him and I’m just glad he’s out of our lives and not inflicting any more damage. Although I still quietly rage from time to time. Just the other day, my eldest told me that when she was 6, she would have to comfort her 4 year old sister, who was scared to be alone at dad’s, by telling her to pretend she was me. That broke my heart and I raged at the shit my lovely children have had to endure.

You deserve to feel angry at the injustice on every level. The unfairness to your daughter. The unfairness to you and your free time. The unfairness that our society allows men to get away with dumping their responsibilities onto the women in their lives. And sad that your daughter is being short changed. I’m sorry. It’s not fucking fair.

Dinersaur · 11/02/2023 07:22

Thank you ❤ you explained it all better than I'm able to. I'm sorry you and your girls have been through that.

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KangarooKenny · 11/02/2023 07:23

Be glad that you get her more, nothing worse than being with some who resents having you.

Dinersaur · 11/02/2023 07:27

KangarooKenny · 11/02/2023 07:23

Be glad that you get her more, nothing worse than being with some who resents having you.

Yes you're right. Must be awful. She's so loved and wanted here.

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category12 · 11/02/2023 07:49

My ex does the minimum with our kids, and I just think it's sad and he's missing out.

Plus recreating the relationship he bemoaned with his own father - but that's his (fucking stupid) choice.

Beesandhoney123 · 11/02/2023 08:02

Just make sure she knows it's not anything to do with her petsonally .

Could Point out when you married him you thought he would be different and so did he, but it didn't happen like that.
Then move on and don't let it define you or her or let people openly feel sorry for her/ gossip/ discuss in front of her.

Lizziet64 · 11/02/2023 08:12

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Dinersaur · 11/02/2023 08:16

category12 · 11/02/2023 07:49

My ex does the minimum with our kids, and I just think it's sad and he's missing out.

Plus recreating the relationship he bemoaned with his own father - but that's his (fucking stupid) choice.

Same. His Dad left when he was two and he didn't have a relationship with him again until his teens. He always said he'd never want that. It really hurt him. At least he's seeing her every other weekend, for now. He's made it clear that if things keep going well with his girlfriend he'll move to her. So i guess things will change again then. It's not all entirely unexpected since he started a relationship with someone who lives a distance away.

He never sees his girlfriend on weekends he has our daughter, i haven't questioned why as it's none of my business. She knows about her and they've met a few times. He introduced them much sooner than I was comfortable with, after about 2 months. My assumption is that a 5 year old doesn't fit in to the life they see for themselves.

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SNWannabe · 11/02/2023 08:18

It’s his loss. And as she grows she will have times she’s sad about it but she will always have you. I always think the less time they spend with shit dads the less impact it will have on them, but sadly that’s not always the case. My children have been impacted differently from their indifferent dad… one (son) less so than the other (daughter). Daddy issues I guess. But we are so close and she is a wonderful human who will sort through these issues herself and get some kind of closure.
Their dad is still shit and hardly in their lives now and they’re young adults. They know they can’t rely on him.

Dinersaur · 11/02/2023 08:20

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Jeez! That's awful!

I am the much higher earner and he's been paying me a small amount of maintenance so far which he resents greatly and tells me is a travesty given I earn more. So i haven't mentioned the fact it should increase. I'll let things settle in first.

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Dinersaur · 11/02/2023 08:37

SNWannabe · 11/02/2023 08:18

It’s his loss. And as she grows she will have times she’s sad about it but she will always have you. I always think the less time they spend with shit dads the less impact it will have on them, but sadly that’s not always the case. My children have been impacted differently from their indifferent dad… one (son) less so than the other (daughter). Daddy issues I guess. But we are so close and she is a wonderful human who will sort through these issues herself and get some kind of closure.
Their dad is still shit and hardly in their lives now and they’re young adults. They know they can’t rely on him.

Such a shame but you're right. He's found himself to be a not very capable Dad I think. Unable to deal with normal 5 year old stuff without losing his temper, and very much too wrapped up in his own needs to properly deal with hers.

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contrary13 · 11/02/2023 15:54

My ex constantly laments the fact that he and our 18 year old son "aren't close", but as said son says, why would they be "mates" when he's only ever had one parent - and that's me...? Ex left, literally overnight, when son was 4, immediately replacing us with a brand new family (his other woman had their daughter on the day that we split - indeed, this was the cause of the split, coupled with his absolute cowardice over the whole thing!). He saw our son (but never our then 12-year-old daughter) EOW for 9 hours... so 18 hours a month. Unless he was "too busy", of course, or on holiday. Very often, our bewildered son would be left spending his supposed time with his father, with other members of his extended family instead, which I know upset him a lot at the time. Ex has never had him overnight, never paid a penny towards his upkeep, encouraged him to flout my house rules, never shown any interest in his education, and never spent any time one-to-one with him (there's always at least one half-sibling, or grandparent/cousins around). The entire adult side of the family have spent the last 4 years (since I stopped facilitating son's relationships with them) telling him that I'm a "bad parent", and trying to get him to do things behind my back. They whine that he doesn't communicate with them, they know nothing about his life, it's all my doing, poor them...!

In comparison, I knew far more about what my son gets up to than I particularly want to, have met his girlfriend, watched (and feel proud of) him flourish despite adversities, and although I'm parent to him and not friend, he knows without any doubt that I will always be in his corner. I've never bad-mouthed his father, or any member of that side of his family, to him - actually, when it turned out that he's gone NC with his grandparents, because they won't stop trying to tell him who he is, when he's actually the complete opposite, and ex is whining that he won't answer his calls/demands for contact every Saturday (when son wants to be out with his actual friends, not playing "happy families" with people he has little to no reagrd for),I advocated that they do love him, and who knows what the future will bring.

It used to break my heart, seeing the confused little boy try to work out if he was loved by his paternal family as much as his half-siblings/cousins were. It used to make me rage when he was wheeled out to make them look/feel good in front of their friends. Now? I just feel grateful for the resilient, emotionally intelligent young man I've raised. And,okay, a lot of pity for the idiots who threw him aside as/when it suited them, and are now regretting some of their life choices... Son isn't angry with, or confused by them anymore; he no longer feels anything but mild irritation towards them, it seems. I'll admit to finding this a little sad... but more for my son than my ex/his family. They made choices, as adults, disregarding a child - and are now reaping the consequences in the form of that child holding them at arm's length/going NC with them. I was a parent to our son, still am as it happens, and as much as I often think to myself that I could easily live my life without knowing the minute details of my son's love-life/day at college... I'm also grateful that he knows he can tell me, ask for my advice, etc., because I won't/don't judge him. Because unlike his father, I always put my children's best interests before my own.

Dinersaur · 11/02/2023 16:42

contrary13 · 11/02/2023 15:54

My ex constantly laments the fact that he and our 18 year old son "aren't close", but as said son says, why would they be "mates" when he's only ever had one parent - and that's me...? Ex left, literally overnight, when son was 4, immediately replacing us with a brand new family (his other woman had their daughter on the day that we split - indeed, this was the cause of the split, coupled with his absolute cowardice over the whole thing!). He saw our son (but never our then 12-year-old daughter) EOW for 9 hours... so 18 hours a month. Unless he was "too busy", of course, or on holiday. Very often, our bewildered son would be left spending his supposed time with his father, with other members of his extended family instead, which I know upset him a lot at the time. Ex has never had him overnight, never paid a penny towards his upkeep, encouraged him to flout my house rules, never shown any interest in his education, and never spent any time one-to-one with him (there's always at least one half-sibling, or grandparent/cousins around). The entire adult side of the family have spent the last 4 years (since I stopped facilitating son's relationships with them) telling him that I'm a "bad parent", and trying to get him to do things behind my back. They whine that he doesn't communicate with them, they know nothing about his life, it's all my doing, poor them...!

In comparison, I knew far more about what my son gets up to than I particularly want to, have met his girlfriend, watched (and feel proud of) him flourish despite adversities, and although I'm parent to him and not friend, he knows without any doubt that I will always be in his corner. I've never bad-mouthed his father, or any member of that side of his family, to him - actually, when it turned out that he's gone NC with his grandparents, because they won't stop trying to tell him who he is, when he's actually the complete opposite, and ex is whining that he won't answer his calls/demands for contact every Saturday (when son wants to be out with his actual friends, not playing "happy families" with people he has little to no reagrd for),I advocated that they do love him, and who knows what the future will bring.

It used to break my heart, seeing the confused little boy try to work out if he was loved by his paternal family as much as his half-siblings/cousins were. It used to make me rage when he was wheeled out to make them look/feel good in front of their friends. Now? I just feel grateful for the resilient, emotionally intelligent young man I've raised. And,okay, a lot of pity for the idiots who threw him aside as/when it suited them, and are now regretting some of their life choices... Son isn't angry with, or confused by them anymore; he no longer feels anything but mild irritation towards them, it seems. I'll admit to finding this a little sad... but more for my son than my ex/his family. They made choices, as adults, disregarding a child - and are now reaping the consequences in the form of that child holding them at arm's length/going NC with them. I was a parent to our son, still am as it happens, and as much as I often think to myself that I could easily live my life without knowing the minute details of my son's love-life/day at college... I'm also grateful that he knows he can tell me, ask for my advice, etc., because I won't/don't judge him. Because unlike his father, I always put my children's best interests before my own.

Oh goodness. I'm so sorry that happened. So sorry for your Son but glad he seems to have turned out to be a lovely young man who is very close with you.

Her paternal grandparents have never shown a huge deal of interest, whereas she is adored by grandparents, aunties, and great grandparents on my side. I'm fond of her paternal grandparents and it's saddened me for years how little interest they take.

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Scooby5kids · 11/02/2023 17:07

Sounds about right doesn't it? He has to have a life and time for his relationship. Goodness knows what he thinks you're supposed to do when you want to have a bit of life! So selfish

Dinersaur · 11/02/2023 17:55

Scooby5kids · 11/02/2023 17:07

Sounds about right doesn't it? He has to have a life and time for his relationship. Goodness knows what he thinks you're supposed to do when you want to have a bit of life! So selfish

Was actually a bit speechless when he said he had to balance being a parent, work, his relationship and time for him which is why he has to have her less. Because obviously of those 4 things, being a parent is one that should give! I am also balancing those 4 things. But it doesn't seem to register with him. Quite amazing really.

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nofluffsgiven · 11/02/2023 18:44

@Dinersaur it's such weird logic isn't it? 🙈 i just can't understand how anyone could put their only child as the lowest priority or have the audacity to complain that he needs to have more work/personal time balance that doesn't include his child and just expect you to do everything? I'd definitely be wanting more money

Dinersaur · 11/02/2023 21:30

nofluffsgiven · 11/02/2023 18:44

@Dinersaur it's such weird logic isn't it? 🙈 i just can't understand how anyone could put their only child as the lowest priority or have the audacity to complain that he needs to have more work/personal time balance that doesn't include his child and just expect you to do everything? I'd definitely be wanting more money

It's all justified in his head. My job has more flexibility although it's still full time, my partner is local, my parents live round the corner. He thinks I can't possibly understand what it's like for him, and this makes it all justified.

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