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Fake it till you make it??

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tillyoumakeit · 10/02/2023 10:48

NC for this. Been with DH for over 20 years, 2 kids - one mid teens one in late primary. When it's good, it's amazing, but there have been many times when we have not been good. Our communication is poor around anything negative or difficult. We don't really row but stuff doesn't get dealt with properly.

My DH is quite fragile due to attachment issues from his childhood. He experiences any negative comments as a direct personal attack and thinks that it must mean I think he is a bad person. He can be very secretive and will lie to avoid confrontation. Around 10 years ago he betrayed me in quite a serious way (definitely LTB territory) that we have never fully dealt with.

Growing up I always felt loved, and was bought up to believe I didn't need to be 'perfect' to be lovable. But my parents were also quite 'pull your socks up, crying won't achieve anything' types. While I would say I am emotionally literate in that I can anticipate and understand people's emotions and can empathise, I am not good at being vulnerable and can come across as quite harsh/cold and unsympathetic.

We've done some couples therapy - it was ok but we didn't really like the therapist. For a while it helped us to reconnect and things were a lot better. But now we're drifting again. I hate this phrase, but when we're in this place he gives me the worst 'ick' and I know I'm not very nice to him. I have recovered from this before and we've been happy. Do I just need to put more effort in until it gets better again? Splitting up feels almost impossible for many reasons.

OP posts:
tillyoumakeit · 16/02/2023 20:36

Giving this a slightly tragic but hopeful bump... 🙂

OP posts:
category12 · 16/02/2023 20:45

Can you afford to go back to therapy? (Can you afford not to?)

What are the main obstacles to leaving?

mybunniesandme · 16/02/2023 20:54

What are the "impossible reasons" for not leaving - nothing is impossible? Depends on the "betrayal in the worst way" but why would you fight for a marriage with a man who would do this to you?

Hehx3 · 16/02/2023 21:59

I used to ask the same questions again and again and again in my therapy (individual), took me months of pulling myself in both directions, then one day it was just clear.
Perhaps exploring "yourself" with a professional would help? Im not convinced in this instance about couples therapy but thats just my view and I might be wrong. Life will get easier eventually 💐

iamenough2023 · 16/02/2023 22:08

I do not want to make this harder for you OP, I know how you feel as I have been there myself, but I strongly believe that once a person starts thinking of leaving the marriage/relationship there is no going back. You have been together a very long time and have been through a lot it seems. You can say you did everything you could to make it work but it does not. If I were you I would go back to therapy, but individual one, to help you get through the separation. Good luck and all the best to you.

tillyoumakeit · 16/02/2023 22:51

Thanks for the responses.

I have done a lot of individual therapy before the couple's therapy - mainly to work out what is 'wrong' with me - why I can't just be happy with what I have, why I can't be nicer and why I can't be more vulnerable/emotionally available.

It feels impossible (but I know in reality is isn't, of course) because of money, children, because of his fragile state, because he thinks everything is ok now, and even if he doesn't his main goal is for us to stay together regardless. I feel like everyone wants us to stay together. The few people who I told when things were really bad and I thought we would separate have all said since how they think it's for the best that we haven't.

OP posts:
category12 · 17/02/2023 06:08

tillyoumakeit · 16/02/2023 22:51

Thanks for the responses.

I have done a lot of individual therapy before the couple's therapy - mainly to work out what is 'wrong' with me - why I can't just be happy with what I have, why I can't be nicer and why I can't be more vulnerable/emotionally available.

It feels impossible (but I know in reality is isn't, of course) because of money, children, because of his fragile state, because he thinks everything is ok now, and even if he doesn't his main goal is for us to stay together regardless. I feel like everyone wants us to stay together. The few people who I told when things were really bad and I thought we would separate have all said since how they think it's for the best that we haven't.

Well, of course they have, they want to appear supportive since you've stayed together. If you'd separated, they would have told you they thought it was for the best too. People are like that, they see which way the wind is blowing and say what they think you want to hear, sometimes.

Don't stay with a man because he's "fragile" - his mh is not your responsibility. Ask yourself - is HE doing anything to improve his resilience, or is it just down to you to deal with?

Most of those reasons you've given are to do with HIS wellbeing over your own - why are you so unimportant? 🤔

I mean, you're the one he fucked over, yes? But you've stayed because he's so "fragile"?

I think you're being manipulated, consciously or unconsciously. I think you're being sold a lemon 🍋

He's a full grown adult man, he'd recover, he doesn't need an enabler. (I mean, it's lovely having an enabler and never having to face up to the damage he's done, I can see why he wouldn't want to lose you.)

tillyoumakeit · 17/02/2023 19:42

I completely agree with you @category12 and believe me, I would give similar advice if I read this thread from someone else.

But, if I do decide to stick it out, for now at least, I need to find a way to be ok with it.

OP posts:
Fizzysnakes · 17/02/2023 22:57

Did he have an affair?

tillyoumakeit · 18/02/2023 09:16

Fizzysnakes · 17/02/2023 22:57

Did he have an affair?

No.

OP posts:
category12 · 18/02/2023 09:34

I have done a lot of individual therapy before the couple's therapy - mainly to work out what is 'wrong' with me - why I can't just be happy with what I have, why I can't be nicer and why I can't be more vulnerable/emotionally available.

Going back to this bit - I hope to god none of that stuck from individual therapy, because it's basically trying to brainwash you to accept being treated poorly and invalidate your own feelings: why would or should you trust someone or be emotionally vulnerable with them after they've let you down so badly and are not prepared to address what they did or work on themselves? Why should you be all sweetness and light with someone who does that? Why should you be happy with a spoiled relationship?

If he was doing the work to stop getting in a tizzy when challenged at all or allowed you to thresh out what happened, then it would be a bit different - but it's all about you turning yourself inside out to pretend everything is OK

It's a mind-bending ask. I don't think it's healthy. It's like gaslighting yourself.

I know you're of the mindset that you need to stick it out for now or forever, but honestly I think you should be shaping your future towards the exit.

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