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Is this marraige beyond repair?

16 replies

WorriedHusband50 · 06/02/2023 17:32

Hi everyone

Really need some advice with a female perspective if thats ok!

In short my wife (I am a guy) and I have been not getting on for a while and last week she said she wanted to end it. We did a lot of talking and I think we are hoping to carry on but worry that she may have already 'checked out'.

For context and in brief, been together 22 years, married 16, 2 teenage kids. Its been an ok/good relationship, with typical ups and downs over the years but we have been down a similar road before.

I know I carry the majority of the blame. Biggest issue has been lack of emotional support to her, especially last year,. Her dad was ill and died and I simply wasn't there. I coundn't stand him but kept myself at arms length while all this was going on, didn't visit in hospital or care home. Didn't really engage with mother in law, pretty much left her to deal with a very stressful time.

The other part is my communication or lack of sometimes. We are both very stubborn and both struggle with backing down (in case the other sees it as 'winning' so I don't often ask her how her day has been when she comes in as often arguing over something trivial. One example was at the funeral, I asked what she expected of me on the day which upset and angered her and I should have know. What I thought I was asking was expectations around does she want me to look after kids and 'stand back' while she supported her mum and did all the stuff with guests or did she want me any her side the whole time, as that is the sort of thing I would want to be asked.

Over time as well, I have not been as supportive as much as I should have been with things like menopause and generally. My 'banter' went too far and I didn't see the impact it was having, like joking "is that your mums jumper", or purposely not asking how her night was. I am a very sarcastic person and was guilty of saying things without thinking. There was no malice intended, but I still see it as a form of emotional abuse (even though she says it isn't). No excusing it but was always (IMO) just banter and having a laugh.

Our interests changed a lot, I like going out to pubs and seeing bands, she doesn't and I would sometime get annoyed with that as I felt quite lonely at times. Then she would come out of pity and look miserable... cue argument!

She is stubborn, and quite moody at times (not just with me but friends, family etc) and on a similar vein to before had a similarish issue 8 years ago. Felt unloved my me, had something with a guy at work, just a few kisses and messages, nothing else, she still is guilty now even though I tell her its forgotten about. No trust issues from me.

She made the effort of seeing a band with me the other week. Looked great (one of my moans has been a lack of effort regarding sex and spicing things up every now and again) and I acted like an idiot and hardly spoke to her all night. Next day at a party did much the same. Petty and silly.

She has been pushing back on booking a holiday as unsure on things, then it came out last week she has been thinking for a while and doesn't think we have a future. Oh, and I was also not supportive when she went on a anti-depression pills (selfishly I was obsessed that the lack of sex drive side effect would kill the marriage, when it turns out that sex has been happening a little more while on them).

We had a long talk Monday, and then in Tuesday. I told her that this has been a kick I probably needed and was not aware of some of this. So she then sends me a link on Weds for a possible holiday place, and we continue to talk a lot but we keep talking a lot and focusing on the past. Friday we have sex and out with friends on Sat and had a good night. Then last night she is upset again and thinks that its too little too late. But then we agree to take it slowly and see if I can demonstrate that I have listened and can regain that trust.

My issue is that I am quick to process things and move on, very simple in that respect so my brain is saying we had a good week and what's the issue! She tends to dwell on things, thinks of things 10 years ago that happened and I think feels like she needs to be in control.

So, sorry for all that ranting but I guess I am trying to work out if these things can be repaired with time?

OP posts:
JenniferBooth · 06/02/2023 17:36

I agree with you You have been emotionally abusive.

ConkerBonkers · 06/02/2023 17:38

Yes I think you need to let her go. Give her whatever she wants.

IhearyouClemFandango · 06/02/2023 17:41

Yeah, I’d have been done a long time ago. If you can apparently recognise all these issues why do you continue doing it? Let her go,she deserves a chance to be happy, mum jumper and all.

Aquamarine1029 · 06/02/2023 17:41

You sound extremely unpleasant, honestly. I'm surprised she didn't leave you ages ago. FYI, your oh so funny "banter" is just plain old bullying.

DoomedForLoneliness · 06/02/2023 17:47

That was lot of words just to say you are at least emotionally abusive and only really care about looks and sex when it comes to relationship.

Why are mens posts and worries about their relationships always this same copy and paste stuff?

SareBear87 · 06/02/2023 17:53

Selfish doesn't come close. All I read was you want a sex life and she's been concentrating on carrying the family and dealing with life to provide for your needs...

I'd have left you years ago. She deserves better

watchesrubber · 06/02/2023 17:55

What's worrying is that you know you're like this, you know where your faults lie, you know it's deeply hurting your wife but continue to do it. If I were your wife, I think I'd be done too but if you really truly love her and want to save things, your first step is to get yourself to therapy. I think I agree though...it may be too little too late.

80s · 06/02/2023 18:00

If you can apparently recognise all these issues why do you continue doing it?
Was going to ask the same thing. Lots of description of what thoughtless and unpleasant ghings you do, no explanation why. It's almost as if you're writing about a third person.

MrsPicklesonSmythe · 06/02/2023 18:01

You've done what a lot of men do which is the classic taking her for granted and treating her like her only job is to cater for you and in your eyes she's failed at that. A good week doesnt equate to a happy life. I wish her all the very best with her new start.

Ifeellikeateenageragain · 06/02/2023 18:02

What are you looking for on here? You say at the end you're asking if things can be fixed with time, but your perspective that "we've had a great week so we're all fine" would indicate that you don't see this as something to be worked at over time but "sorted" with one good week. I think you need to think about the context for that good week - nothing stressful or challenging happened for either of you (or the relationship) but it sounds like when life problems happen you can't show up for your wife. In which case, she is always going to be reluctant about continuing relationship because she'll always be thinking that the relationship is only as good as her staying "happy" and "upbeat" for your sake regardless of what difficulties she is experiencing. That's not a relationship then - that's two casual friends who hang out for good times and occasionally shag. If you cannot offer anything more to her then it's best that you amicably split at this point.

Aquamarine1029 · 06/02/2023 18:07

It's remarkable that you think one "good" week erases the fact that you've been knowingly treating her like shit for years. How does that even make sense to you?

Bunnyhair · 06/02/2023 18:09

so basically your entire marriage has been a loveless power struggle where your main aim is to feel superior to your wife. Now she wants to leave, and who will you have to kick around and make feel worthless? The kids, I guess, but hopefully only every other weekend.

Let her go, for God’s sake.

prettygreenteacup · 06/02/2023 18:15

She is right to end it, you are an abuser. I was married to one, and in a way you're even worse because you can see all the things you do and still don't do anything about it.

ApathyMartha · 06/02/2023 18:16

When someone isn’t there for emotional support when it’s most needed you have to wonder, if you’re going through it all on your own, what’s the point of being with them? They add nothing to the relationship and things would be so much easier without them. The add the ‘banter’ during menopause and lack of communication - what exactly do you bring to the relationship that’s good?

billy1966 · 06/02/2023 18:19

You absolutely have been emotionally abusive and your relationship is utterly toxic.

I feel very sorry for your children being reared in such a home.

Have they been listening to this "banter" that bullys and humiliates their mother?

Your relationship is over and the best thing you could do is stop behaving like a petulant, petty twat, and go out of your way to be a decent human being and think of your children and the damage they have been subjected to.

Have a good respectful divorce and co parent with decency.

Your wife no doubt has her faults but you appear to have gone out of your way to wound her.

Let her go and move on, for yourselves and for your children that deserve better than this.

Couldyounot · 06/02/2023 20:48

Sounds like game over, OP. She's had enough, and I can't say I blame her

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